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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 2:32:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was savvy to write it as a trilogy. If it gets on the best seller list (as it did), then you are golden and future sales are effortless.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 9:38:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find now that a lot of my vanilla friends are reading it. All on facebook they email and ask "omg are you reading the 50shades yet?" I have actually read all three books. They are a bit redundant to say the least. I did like the plot though. Too bad it didn't have a better writer. Now that I am done, I have nothing to read..however I keep asking a certain someone to finish his tid bit in creative writings. That is my only reading right now, and it is far better than 50 shades.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/6/2012 4:39:42 AM   
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Can anybody see any earthly reason why it was written as a trilogy in the first place?
It's not like there's three volumes' worth of plot or character development on display, after all.


But there was 3 volumes of poorly written kinky sex!

Yep, and you can get as much of that as you want off the internerd for free.

One volume would have been plenty...

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/6/2012 5:04:28 AM   
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Can anybody see any earthly reason why it was written as a trilogy in the first place?
It's not like there's three volumes' worth of plot or character development on display, after all.


Fanfic goes on and on and on as the writer gets their egos stroked by readers who want more. When James decided to repackage her drivel for sale, she had to split it up into semi-logical units, which resulted in the trilogy.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/6/2012 7:22:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a dismaying thought that she didn't have editors insisting she cuts redundant flapdoodle and padding on her first work.
Assertive editing was all that made Stephen King and Anne Rice's early work readable, after all: just look at some of the crap they've turned out since they started refusing to be edited...

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 5:24:29 AM   
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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 8:52:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Haven't read that one. I haven't missed much, then?

(How anybody can read the vanity cut of The Stand and not think that whatever editor told King to cut the first edition by a quarter was a genius is beyond me. The Berni Wrightson illustrations are nice, I guess, but Cycle Of The Werewolf is a much faster read...)

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 9:47:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I enjoyed the uncut version of The Stand. I found that the little moments and characters (those dying or those who are besides the storyline itself) add something to the whole of the ambiance of the book, even if not to the storyline itself. King is a storyteller, an ambiance maker (one reason why his books are so hard to adapt into movies) and this book is by far one of my favorite.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 10:58:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now that there are e-readers, as long as the book is well written, there's no such thing as too long IMO. I liked the resurrected chapter on Trashcan Man and The Kid.

Stephen King is interesting in that the quality of his work varies wildly. I loved The Stand and others and snoozed through Cell.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 11:01:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		We'll have to agree to differ on that one, then.
I don't think even the edited version is in the same league as Salem's Lot, The Dead Zone or either Straub collaboration, and it provides the single foulest frame for his technophobia in the whole of his lengthy and lucrative career.
And that's without even getting into the fact that the vanity cut reads more like a rewrite than a restoration, with all those little turn of the '90s touches shoehorned into one of the most '70s novels of all time, but not actually changing any of the stuff in the original they'd supplant...

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 11:04:43 AM   
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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 11:11:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

We'll have to agree to differ on that one, then.



I have no problem with that. Opinions are what they are, diversified.


with all those little turn of the '90s touches shoehorned into one of the most '70s novels of all time, but not actually changing any of the stuff in the original they'd supplant...


I must have missed them.....what 90's touches?

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 11:17:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		References to Madonna, for a start.
It makes the failed pop singer's career as a white R&B singer look horribly quaint.
(Also, the whole thing about people forgetting the date no longer works if there's going to be laptops lying about, does it? King doesn't, despite all of the other stuff he shoehorns in, even mention that one.)

With respect to Chemelli, I disagree about King's atmosphere making it impossible to adapt his books to film as well. He has at least three masterpieces based on his books, and if he dismisses those, that seems to be more down to him having teh sulk over Maximum Overdrive tanking than any serious problem with the films that work. David Cronenberg's comments about King's own (abandoned) script for The Dead Zone are very enlightening on that level.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/7/2012 11:25:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, ok i agree, Carrie, Cujo, Simetierre, The Shining or the Storm of the century were well done as movies yes. I was more thinking about movies like It, Firestarter, Needfull things that were too long and lacking in atmosphere, from my point of view....but ok, even as i'm enumerating those, i can see (IMO) that there's more success stories then failures that came from movies from the books.

You got a point Moonhead! I concede. Makes me a biggest fan, even.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/9/2012 5:36:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought this was a pretty good review - as I suspected, chick book.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/culture/2012/07/stop-being-mean-fifty-shades-grey

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/11/2012 10:06:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I haven't read it. I read all that Ann Rice erofantasy stuff so I imagine I should overcome my initial repulsion to 50 shades. It's just that the Ann Rice stuff (Beauty series) was ours. It wasn't a best seller. It belonged to the kink community. 50 Shades has more Facebook & Twitter action than the president so it hit wrong . . . it came at me from the vanilla world and I rejected it as twaddle like some of you did in the Has 50 Shades of Grey been good or bad for kink? thread.

Speaking a 50 Shades of Vanilla, it has truly intrenched itself into the mainstream. A straight (vanilla) friend sent this joke:

Four guys have been going on the same fishing trip for many years. This year, Ron's wife puts her foot down and tells him he isn't going.

Two days later, the other guys get to the camping site only to find Ron sitting there with a tent set up. "Dang Ron, how did you talk your missus into letting you go?"

"Well, yesterday evening, after my wife finished reading "Fifty Shades Of Gray," she pulled me into our bedroom. On the bed she had handcuffs and ropes! She told me to tie and cuff her to the bed, and I did. Then she said, "Do whatever you want."

So, Here I am.



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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/11/2012 8:05:52 PM   
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I think Athenna's mum gave it the best
in a nutshell review I've read yet.
Yay! Athenna's Mum!
Another good one I saw was it's a vanilla
book written by a vanilla for vanillas.

I think it rambled out to three books
because it fans fic. Fan fic goes on and
on. It's not about plot or narrative it's
about rolling in the squee.

Every writer no matter how gifted needs
an editor. An this thing was never seen
by a editor. That a legit publishing house
was content to distribute it without
editing it is one of the appalling things
about it.

My favorite book of Kings is Salem's Lot
which I believe was his second book.
I could never get into The Stand not really
my cup of tea. It was adapted for television
network television so it was hampered
by that a bit. I do think Tim Curry was
very creepy as the clown.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/11/2012 8:07:15 PM   
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not The Stand.

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