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punisher440 -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 9:13:17 AM)

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My step-son[me and his mom are divorced] is gay and wrote this on his FB page and calls it like he sees it.

"I am back from the dentist & in pain, and irritated by work; so what better time to finally vent about Chik-Fil-A? I’m sick of hearing about it. But first, let’s recap my background (for those of you just joining us).

I was born & raised in the Mississippi River delta region of East Central Arkansas, smack dab in the middle of the Bible Belt & Southern Baptist Land. I grew up in the 80’s & 90’s, hearing how bad being gay is from my neighbors, family, & church. (And yes, I went to a Southern Baptist church. I know the Sunday School stories to prove it.) I have now lived in California as long as I have lived in Arkansas. I am normal, well-rounded, intelligent, and gay. It’s a wonder that I am as well adjusted as I am, with the double handicap of living in both Arkansas & California.
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Anyway, I am amused that anyone who has set foot into Chik-Fil-A would be so SHOCKED that they are against gay marriage. Their literature screams anti-gay all the way & if their article in that Southern Baptist paper was your first inkling that they would support anti-gay groups, then you seriously need assistance with your thought process. If they are closed on Sunday as a day of rest for everyone, wouldn’t that give you a clue too?

But let’s also take a step back. The president was asked for his personal views on marriage. And he answered honestly, as is his right. Has he or the company discriminated against gays in other ways? No. Has he & his PRIVATELY-HELD company contributed to anti-gay groups? Yes, but so have several other companies, who are not receiving the same wrath as Chik-Fil-A is receiving. Why do they only get singled out? Who’s being mistreated now?

Instead of creating more hate & negativity, why don’t we, the LGBTIQ population, use our strength to support those businesses that support us? The anti-gays use their money to fight us; why not use their weapon against them? Like Mama said, “Money talks & bullsh*t walks.”

For future reference, here are some buzz words & phrases that will help you identify non-gay-friendly businesses, groups, individuals, etc.: “traditional family values”; “Biblical way-of-life”; “God’s Plan for family”; “Conservative Christian”; “socially conservative”; “Biblical definition of family”; When I think of some more, I’ll pass them on to you.

This is America. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Everyone has a right to spend their money as they see fit. Stop complaining & use your power (money) to make change."




RacerJim -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 9:15:06 AM)


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Except one can have a moral and honest belief that a marriage is a solemn legal and/or religious commitment made between one male and one female and not be a bigot. There are billions of people world wide that hold this belief and some are secular and some are religious and some a little of both.


You can BELIEVE it, but if you act on it, for example refuse to sell a franchise to a gay married couple, than you are exposed to significant legal liability for your beliefs.

Which makes me wonder, what kind of exposure does Cathy have for creating a hostile work environment for his glbt employees and executives?

You can BELIEVE whatever you want, but if you act on it, for example refer to someone as an intolerant bigot simply because they express an opinion which differs from your's, then you are exposing yourself as the true intolerant bigot.



LanaDeVille -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 9:30:33 AM)


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Has that happened?

I am tired of the bigotry label being hoisted upon people simply because they disagree upon the political definition of the word marriage as it pertains to homosexual couples. People of deep abiding Faith, who hold no rancor or malice toward homosexuals are being labeled haters and bigots simply for giving money to political causes which oppose the agenda of "Gay" marriage. And its not just the billions of people of faith that oppose allowing the marriage of homosexual couples, it seems millions of secular, agnostic and atheistic communists oppose it as well.



That is the definition of bigotry. If one feels that marriage is between a man and a woman, then they can participate in a marriage that fits with their beliefs. They can even teach their children to do the same, though I'd call that short-sighted. But the second anyone expects the rest of the world to kowtow to their personal beliefs, beliefs that involve denying people privileges based on a religious text that not everyone believes in, well sorry, that makes one a bigot. People need to stop trying to control the lives of others.



RacerJim -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 9:58:04 AM)


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Has that happened?

I am tired of the bigotry label being hoisted upon people simply because they disagree upon the political definition of the word marriage as it pertains to homosexual couples. People of deep abiding Faith, who hold no rancor or malice toward homosexuals are being labeled haters and bigots simply for giving money to political causes which oppose the agenda of "Gay" marriage. And its not just the billions of people of faith that oppose allowing the marriage of homosexual couples, it seems millions of secular, agnostic and atheistic communists oppose it as well.



That is the definition of bigotry. If one feels that marriage is between a man and a woman, then they can participate in a marriage that fits with their beliefs. They can even teach their children to do the same, though I'd call that short-sighted. But the second anyone expects the rest of the world to kowtow to their personal beliefs, beliefs that involve denying people privileges based on a religious text that not everyone believes in, well sorry, that makes one a bigot. People need to stop trying to control the lives of others.


I'm tired of less than 2% of "We the people..." trying to force their unnatural, and in the case of male-male sex HIV/AIDS/HEPATITUS C prone lifestyle on the rest of us. I'd call it short-sighted for anyone to teach children that unnatural sex is normal. But the second anyone demands that the rest of the country to succumb to their personal beliefs, beliefs that involve denying someone a business license based upon what someone said, well not sorry, that make one an intolerant hypocrite.



Owner59 -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 10:08:28 AM)

One upside is that cons are being more naked about their bigotry.......



Lucylastic -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 10:15:02 AM)

The irony is just staggering in some cases,



LanaDeVille -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 10:23:29 AM)

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Has that happened?

I am tired of the bigotry label being hoisted upon people simply because they disagree upon the political definition of the word marriage as it pertains to homosexual couples. People of deep abiding Faith, who hold no rancor or malice toward homosexuals are being labeled haters and bigots simply for giving money to political causes which oppose the agenda of "Gay" marriage. And its not just the billions of people of faith that oppose allowing the marriage of homosexual couples, it seems millions of secular, agnostic and atheistic communists oppose it as well.



That is the definition of bigotry. If one feels that marriage is between a man and a woman, then they can participate in a marriage that fits with their beliefs. They can even teach their children to do the same, though I'd call that short-sighted. But the second anyone expects the rest of the world to kowtow to their personal beliefs, beliefs that involve denying people privileges based on a religious text that not everyone believes in, well sorry, that makes one a bigot. People need to stop trying to control the lives of others.


I'm tired of less than 2% of "We the people..." trying to force their unnatural, and in the case of male-male sex HIV/AIDS/HEPATITUS C prone lifestyle on the rest of us. I'd call it short-sighted for anyone to teach children that unnatural sex is normal. But the second anyone demands that the rest of the country to succumb to their personal beliefs, beliefs that involve denying someone a business license based upon what someone said, well not sorry, that make one an intolerant hypocrite.


I never said anything about a business license. Hurray! I'm not an intolerant hypocrite!

Also, the notion that homosexuality is unnatural doesn't make any sense. Homosexuality has been documented in over 1500 species. Humans are one of them. It's not like animals think, "You know what? I'm going to be gay starting today." So I'm pretty sure they're acting on instinct, aka natural.

I don't care if people think homosexuality is wrong, but they don't have to right to decide that someone else can't get married.

And if you're going to use the "HIV" argument for why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed (which makes no sense..because gay people are already having sex, married or not), I suppose black people shouldn't be getting married to anyone either. We've got the highest rates of infection, heterosexual or homosexual. Those damn black people. Spreadin' diseases and shit.

The ironic thing is that 50 years ago you would have been in the same group trying to prohibit interracial marriage.



thompsonx -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 10:33:56 AM)

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The ironic thing is that 50 years ago you would have been in the same group trying to prohibit interracial marriage.


Are you secure in your belief that he does not?



thompsonx -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 10:42:53 AM)

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I'm tired of less than 2% of "We the people..."


Would you have any validation for this figgure?

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trying to force their unnatural, and in the case of male-male sex HIV/AIDS/HEPATITUS C prone lifestyle on the rest of us.


No james, they are trying to stop you and your ilk from denying them the rights that the constitution of our country affords them.

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I'd call it short-sighted for anyone to teach children that unnatural sex is normal


This is a site for kinkroids and you have the temerity to call some aspect of sex unnatural????holy fucking shit what the fuck are you doing here?

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But the second anyone demands that the rest of the country to succumb to their personal beliefs


Which is exactly what you are doing.



LanaDeVille -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 10:48:26 AM)


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The ironic thing is that 50 years ago you would have been in the same group trying to prohibit interracial marriage.


Are you secure in your belief that he does not?


I checked his profile out of curiosity. He's 67. So it wouldn't be a stretch. 50 years ago would have made him around 17. Old enough to form opinions on the subject and old enough to be affected by the opinions currently in place at the time.

However, what's interesting is that I once read a study showing that the people most likely to be homophobic are heterosexual men, people age 65 and older, people who have never known anyone who's gay, and people with a high school education or less. He already fits two of those, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't fit the latter two either.

Anyway. It's clear I'm talking to a brick wall. A very old brick wall.

If the President of Chick-fil-a says he doesn't agree with gay marriage, whatever. I don't care. But making an effort to stop gay people who want to get married is an attack on their freedoms.



thompsonx -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 10:53:37 AM)


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The ironic thing is that 50 years ago you would have been in the same group trying to prohibit interracial marriage.


Are you secure in your belief that he does not?


I checked his profile out of curiosity. He's 67. So it wouldn't be a stretch. 50 years ago would have made him around 17. Old enough to form opinions on the subject and old enough to be affected by the opinions currently in place at the time.

However, what's interesting is that I once read a study showing that the people most likely to be homophobic are heterosexual men, people age 65 and older, people who have never known anyone who's gay, and people with a high school education or less. He already fits two of those, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't fit the latter two either.


I fit three of the four catagories and I am in favor of keeping my nose out of other peoples business.

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Anyway. It's clear I'm talking to a brick wall. A very old brick wall.


I am older and have been called names that rime with brick[;)][;)]



thishereboi -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 12:07:47 PM)


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None of which has anything to do with what I said about idiots using their religion to justify their irrational bigotry.


You said you couldn't of an excuse and I provided an example.


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Possibly, but good luck finding an example of an atheist using a two thousand year old potboiler as a justification for their gay bashing


There is no doubt that people use religion for a justification of their gut feelings... That way they don't have to feel bad for doing it.

As for justification for gay bashing you would have to agree that there is no lack of reasons people can come up with even if they have never seen the inside of a church.

Butch

Very true. I'm buggered if I can think of another excuse that's as widely used as "God hates fags" though: that one's big with a certain sort of Muslim as well as a certain sort of "Christian", after all. I'm sure you even get homophobic Pastafarians...


I used to hang out on the yahoo news boards until they were taken down. There were many homophobes there who had no religious leaning but still hated gays. The most popular answer I would get was "when I see two men walking down the street holding hands and imagine them in bed, it makes me sick". I used to suggest they stop imagining every couple they see in bed, but that didn't seem to help them. For some reason, they just couldn't wrap their heads around that. Funny when I asked the same ones what they thought when they saw two women holding hands, they replied that "that was hot" Personally I think some people just have a need to hate.




thishereboi -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 12:15:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: LanaDeVille


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


Has that happened?

I am tired of the bigotry label being hoisted upon people simply because they disagree upon the political definition of the word marriage as it pertains to homosexual couples. People of deep abiding Faith, who hold no rancor or malice toward homosexuals are being labeled haters and bigots simply for giving money to political causes which oppose the agenda of "Gay" marriage. And its not just the billions of people of faith that oppose allowing the marriage of homosexual couples, it seems millions of secular, agnostic and atheistic communists oppose it as well.



That is the definition of bigotry. If one feels that marriage is between a man and a woman, then they can participate in a marriage that fits with their beliefs. They can even teach their children to do the same, though I'd call that short-sighted. But the second anyone expects the rest of the world to kowtow to their personal beliefs, beliefs that involve denying people privileges based on a religious text that not everyone believes in, well sorry, that makes one a bigot. People need to stop trying to control the lives of others.


I'm tired of less than 2% of "We the people..." trying to force their unnatural, and in the case of male-male sex HIV/AIDS/HEPATITUS C prone lifestyle on the rest of us. I'd call it short-sighted for anyone to teach children that unnatural sex is normal. But the second anyone demands that the rest of the country to succumb to their personal beliefs, beliefs that involve denying someone a business license based upon what someone said, well not sorry, that make one an intolerant hypocrite.



Tell me who is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to suck dick and I will come down there and kick their ass.



thishereboi -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 12:17:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

One upside is that cons are being more naked about their bigotry.......



and that gives you bigots on the left a release for all your hate. Good think because I have a feeling if you didn't your head would explode. Of course that still may happen come November.[8D]



thompsonx -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 12:20:21 PM)

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Tell me who is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to suck dick and I will come down there and kick their ass.

I would volunteer to hold your coat while you're "gettin busy"



Moonhead -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 12:20:53 PM)


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None of which has anything to do with what I said about idiots using their religion to justify their irrational bigotry.


You said you couldn't of an excuse and I provided an example.

No you didn't.
Cite an excuse for gaybashing that's based on atheist literature, rather than a couple of lines of leviticus people with tattoos and no intention sticking to a kosher diet are fond of blathering as though it excuses their loathing for people like you.



Marc2b -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 12:31:03 PM)

Some more comments on the situation:

Concerning Adam Smith: what he did was wrong. Badgering that poor girl accomplished nothing in getting Chik-Fill-A to reconsider its policies. I've never understood the mindset of people like him. Trying to get your message across by mistreating people doesn't work. The first thing that is remembered is their mistreatment. The message then becomes associated with the mistreatment. Would you want to give a thoughtful listen to someone who was treating you like shit? It only hardens people's hearts against your message. The technique is a total backfire.

On the other hand, I wouldn't have been so quick to fire the guy. People can get carried away in the heat of the moment, especially about things that matter greatly to them... and its not like punched her in the face or anything. Had it been my decision, I'd have given him a chance by telling him to apologize to the girl in person and on youtube.

As for the success of "Chik-Fil-A Appreciation Day," I hear a lot of crowing out there and those indulging in it would be wise to wait while. Yes, Chik-Fil-A had record sales that day but bear this in mind... those who showed up represent people who:

-Normally eat at Chik-Fil-A and don't care about the gay issue one way or another.

-Don't normally eat at Chik-Fil-A but wanted to make a statement in support of "Family Values," or "Freedom of Speech," blah, blah, blah.

-Normally eat at CFA (I'm getting tired of writing that over and over) and wanted to make a statement, etc.

What the people crowing about "victory" don't understand is that most CFA customers don't eat at CFA every day. The fact that most of them showed up on that particular day was an aberration brought about by political/religious/cultural motivations rather than a desire to eat a chicken sandwich. Unless the anti-gay marriage crowd is prepared to eat at CFA more often than they usually do... the effectiveness of the boycott remains to be seen. The question is: will CFA gain more customers, and will their already established customers frequent the business more often, than the number of customers that CFA loses because of their policies? Time will tell.





farglebargle -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 1:14:14 PM)

The problem with a 'successful' chik-fil-a appreciation day is that unless all those people show up TOMORROW also, it's pretty much a meaningless blip in their sales numbers.

Now on the other side is the loss of 'good faith' in terms of the brand being pretty much the corporate poster child for anti-gay bigotry. If I was a gay or lesbian chik-fil-a employee, my attorney would be preparing the lawsuit immediately due to the inability to provide a professional work environment. Imagine being told by a customer how much they appreciate that they don't have to deal with the gays while you're helping them -- and you're gay. Hello Hostile Work Environment, and hello BIG CASH SETTLEMENT!

Public companies don't have this problem because shareholders will sue at the drop of a hat.



thompsonx -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 1:20:42 PM)


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The problem with a 'successful' chik-fil-a appreciation day is that unless all those people show up TOMORROW also, it's pretty much a meaningless blip in their sales numbers.

Now on the other side is the loss of 'good faith' in terms of the brand being pretty much the corporate poster child for anti-gay bigotry. If I was a gay or lesbian chik-fil-a employee, my attorney would be preparing the lawsuit immediately due to the inability to provide a professional work environment. Imagine being told by a customer how much they appreciate that they don't have to deal with the gays while you're helping them -- and you're gay. Hello Hostile Work Environment, and hello BIG CASH SETTLEMENT!

Public companies don't have this problem because shareholders will sue at the drop of a hat.


Is dennys a public or private corp?



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Why You Should Head To Chick-Fil-A On Wednesday (Today) And Drop Proverbs 25:21 On The Counter (8/3/2012 2:17:32 PM)


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But the second anyone expects the rest of the world to kowtow to their personal beliefs, beliefs that involve denying people privileges based on a religious text that not everyone believes in, well sorry, that makes one a bigot. People need to stop trying to control the lives of others.



OK... not based on religion... it's not allowed in Marxist states either.

Marriage is a state institution as well and as such and people have a right to be heard on political matters. Gay "marriage" legislation therefor is subject to debate.



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