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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/4/2012 5:28:52 AM   
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let tomorrow take care of the next battle.


That is known as "kicking the can down the road." And, that stratagem must be on the Final Exam for a politician. It is incredibly rare that issues are actually dealt with instead of putting a patch on and letting the next Congress deal with it. It happens all the time.

{font=sarcasm}Maybe we should sterilize all women so they can't get into that "pregnancy dependency" spiral. That would fix it, wouldn't it? {/font}

And, before you go all apeshit, I do not support that in any way shape or form.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/4/2012 8:13:16 AM   
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When you are talking lives above profit... yup... lets kick the fuck out of that can.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/5/2012 5:01:07 AM   
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I know many women who would love to be sterilized because they know motherhood isnt for them. Doctors wont do it because they havent had children yet.
When you are talking lives above profit... yup... lets kick the fuck out of that can.


Who said anything about profits? The insurance companies are still going to get theirs. It's simply going to be reflected in premiums. How is it you can't see that?

It's the same shit every time (no matter which Party perpetrates it). Increase the costs on Business X for reason Y. Business X rolls the cost increase into the unit cost of its product and, ultimately, the consumer pays the price.

Obama wants to shut down coal-fired electric plants? The increased costs will be paid by the consumers, not the power companies. Want to switch to a different power company since de-regulation? You can be guaranteed (by the other company) to save on your generation costs. Most of that will be erased by the conveyance cost that has to be paid for using the original power company's lines since no one else has lines. It's the same with nat. gas companies, too. When I did my due diligence years ago through the Public Utilities Commission in Oho, my natural gas costs could have been slashed by pennies per month be switching. Generation costs were much lower, but the conveyance costs essentially made the difference.

You can take the extreme end of the line and argue against sane measures if you want. They don't work on my. I'm much better at seeing through the hysteria than I was when I was 12, though, so your efforts are wasted on me.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/5/2012 8:42:59 AM   
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You can take the extreme end of the line and argue against sane measures if you want. They don't work on my. I'm much better at seeing through the hysteria than I was when I was 12, though, so your efforts are wasted on me.


I would not give a crap if it was the party of fuck-you-up-the-ass-nightly who was offering this... I would still support it. Medically, it makes more than sense. Financially, for these women, it makes perfect sense.

The rest of society has utilized the poor as a whipping post for centuries.

Personally, I think you should be ashamed of yourself. Do you have children... those little one's that require so much attention, the attention needed to work, to better yourself, to get an education?

Here is why I believe you are hypocritical.

You bitch about handouts, entitlements to the poor. Yet you sit on you ass and dont want to do a thing about lifting these people out of their situation so they can get off the entitlements... all you want to do is bitch that they are getting them.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/5/2012 12:13:41 PM   
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Why are you cutting your premiums?


My agency offers 3 plans. Basically they are the same plan, except for the price to the employee and the deductible. What happened is that each year, the agency purchases a health insurance policy for each full-time employee from High Mark. These policies each have a $1,000/$2,000 deductible. $1,000 for single policy/ $2,000 for a family policy. The agency then re-sells the policies to us, the employees with a choice of deductible ranges.

No deductible is nearly $100 a month. $500/$1,000 deductible is only $37.50--that's what I'm carrying now and for less than half that I can carry the $1,000 deductible for myself. The plans cost the agency over $300 per person per month. It is considered one of the best health care plans in NW PA and is one of the reasons my agency has been voted one of the 50 best places to work in PA for 6 out of the past 7 years. (The year it didn't make the list, they didn't get enough respondents to evaluate the agency).

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 5:14:52 AM   
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You can take the extreme end of the line and argue against sane measures if you want. They don't work on my. I'm much better at seeing through the hysteria than I was when I was 12, though, so your efforts are wasted on me.

I would not give a crap if it was the party of fuck-you-up-the-ass-nightly who was offering this... I would still support it. Medically, it makes more than sense. Financially, for these women, it makes perfect sense.
The rest of society has utilized the poor as a whipping post for centuries.
Personally, I think you should be ashamed of yourself. Do you have children... those little one's that require so much attention, the attention needed to work, to better yourself, to get an education?
Here is why I believe you are hypocritical.
You bitch about handouts, entitlements to the poor. Yet you sit on you ass and dont want to do a thing about lifting these people out of their situation so they can get off the entitlements... all you want to do is bitch that they are getting them.


Um, what do my children have to do with any of this? Are you making some sort of veiled accusation that I'm not giving my children enough attention because of other things? I'd really like a straight up yes or no answer on that second question. Until I get that, you and your arguments don't exist to me.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 5:21:20 AM   
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Why are you cutting your premiums?

My agency offers 3 plans. Basically they are the same plan, except for the price to the employee and the deductible. What happened is that each year, the agency purchases a health insurance policy for each full-time employee from High Mark. These policies each have a $1,000/$2,000 deductible. $1,000 for single policy/ $2,000 for a family policy. The agency then re-sells the policies to us, the employees with a choice of deductible ranges.
No deductible is nearly $100 a month. $500/$1,000 deductible is only $37.50--that's what I'm carrying now and for less than half that I can carry the $1,000 deductible for myself. The plans cost the agency over $300 per person per month. It is considered one of the best health care plans in NW PA and is one of the reasons my agency has been voted one of the 50 best places to work in PA for 6 out of the past 7 years. (The year it didn't make the list, they didn't get enough respondents to evaluate the agency).


I understand the financials of your decision. Seriously, I do. However, isn't your reducing of your premiums only going to make it more costly for others since you have already stated that you are relatively healthy? The whole idea of forcing the healthy to carry insurance was to get at their premium payments to help cover the cost of forcing insurance companies to eat the burden of those with guaranteed payouts. By removing your $62.50/month, isn't that simply reducing the pool of money the insurance company pays out from?

And, I understand that, in your case, it does not since your employer is paying High Mark, and not you directly, so your employer's premiums may not be changing, though yours are. That is not always the case, though.

Edited to add:

This is not meant to be a condemnation of you or your choice. I would have chosen the same plan as you, had I been the one to carry insurance for my children. If it were just me, I'd have chosen the $1000 personal deductible.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 11:31:46 AM   
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Um, what do my children have to do with any of this? Are you making some sort of veiled accusation that I'm not giving my children enough attention because of other things? I'd really like a straight up yes or no answer on that second question. Until I get that, you and your arguments don't exist to me.


Oh sweetheart.. I dont do veiled. If that were my accusation, it would have been very plainly posted.

I did ask because as a single mother trying to get a college education while raising one small child, I cant imagine how some do it with two, three or four.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 11:40:08 AM   
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How is this getting paid for?

Now that's a true blue American...whose paying for all of this ? The quintessential American question.

Don't worry, it won't be you.

Funny how little we see this question asked here when it comes to medical care the poor get when we all know...WE the insured and taxpayers pay for it.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 11:44:28 AM   
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I know many women who would love to be sterilized because they know motherhood isnt for them. Doctors wont do it because they havent had children yet.

When you are talking lives above profit... yup... lets kick the fuck out of that can.

But that IS America where money has almost always ruled over life. Just look at our institutions economics and tax code. The 'secret' lies within.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 11:45:44 AM   
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I saw Michael Moore on CNN the other night and even Mr. "Sicko" was bitching about Obamacare.

Mr. Sicko ?

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 11:45:44 AM   
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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 11:47:16 AM   
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I saw Michael Moore on CNN the other night and even Mr. "Sicko" was bitching about Obamacare.

Mr. Sicko ?


Michael Moore movie reference... Sicko

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 11:48:13 AM   
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Havent you heard? Its all FREE!!!

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How is this getting paid for?


Dr Ben Dover said so





Hearing things again ? You have it backwards...this is a democrat bill not a repub borrow and spend bill.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 12:34:18 PM   
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Um, what do my children have to do with any of this? Are you making some sort of veiled accusation that I'm not giving my children enough attention because of other things? I'd really like a straight up yes or no answer on that second question. Until I get that, you and your arguments don't exist to me.

Oh sweetheart.. I dont do veiled. If that were my accusation, it would have been very plainly posted.
I did ask because as a single mother trying to get a college education while raising one small child, I cant imagine how some do it with two, three or four.


I didn't realize you cared so much for me.

Kudo's on your busting your ass to better yourself and the lives of you and your child.

I am not the residential parent, so it is not my duty to be giving the boys the attention they need. I was relieved of that duty, under protest. If you notice, I tend to post less every other weekend. Those weekends, are the ones I spend with my boys. And, for the most part, it's all about them, or it's all about what I'm currently doing to make it better for them when I get to visit them.

My biggest issue is keeping up with school, making headway on the house renovation (there are times when it's a blessing to be unemployed, but the time is nigh upon me when I won't have that luxury), and making sure I get to see the boys as much as I can (ie. through taking them to football practice, starting this week, no less). I do talk to them every couple days to see how things are going, too.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 12:42:32 PM   
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How is this getting paid for?

Now that's a true blue American...whose paying for all of this ? The quintessential American question.
Don't worry, it won't be you.
Funny how little we see this question asked here when it comes to medical care the poor get when we all know...WE the insured and taxpayers pay for it.


Free! Free! Free! That's the mating call of the Democrat candidate.

This isn't really "free." Much of it is "no co-pay," but, that doesn't make it free.

And, what's amazingly easy, is to answer your question. If the poor are getting the care they need, who else is going to pay for it, but the insured and the taxpayer? If you were to slash the actual cost of medical procedures in half, more would likely be financially capable of paying, and it would be less of a financial burden on the insured and the taxpayer. But, the ACA doesn't do that. It's a massive and intentionally (my assumption) wordy attempt to subsidize insurance by thieving it from "the rich."

Politicians (no party affiliation needs to be mentioned, as it is common to both major parties) don't understand the Goose That Laid the Golden Egg parable.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 3:06:14 PM   
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Um, what do my children have to do with any of this? Are you making some sort of veiled accusation that I'm not giving my children enough attention because of other things? I'd really like a straight up yes or no answer on that second question. Until I get that, you and your arguments don't exist to me.

Oh sweetheart.. I dont do veiled. If that were my accusation, it would have been very plainly posted.
I did ask because as a single mother trying to get a college education while raising one small child, I cant imagine how some do it with two, three or four.


I didn't realize you cared so much for me.

Kudo's on your busting your ass to better yourself and the lives of you and your child.

I am not the residential parent, so it is not my duty to be giving the boys the attention they need. I was relieved of that duty, under protest. If you notice, I tend to post less every other weekend. Those weekends, are the ones I spend with my boys. And, for the most part, it's all about them, or it's all about what I'm currently doing to make it better for them when I get to visit them.

My biggest issue is keeping up with school, making headway on the house renovation (there are times when it's a blessing to be unemployed, but the time is nigh upon me when I won't have that luxury), and making sure I get to see the boys as much as I can (ie. through taking them to football practice, starting this week, no less). I do talk to them every couple days to see how things are going, too.



Its good you are spending time with your sons. That was not my point.

You want people to support themselves.. yet you seem to try and prevent any attempt to help them achieve those goals...

I have to ask why.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 3:08:11 PM   
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If you were to slash the actual cost of medical procedures in half, more would likely be financially capable of paying, and it would be less of a financial burden on the insured and the taxpayer. But, the ACA doesn't do that. It's a massive and intentionally (my assumption) wordy attempt to subsidize insurance by thieving it from "the rich."


Eve slashing a 150 medical office visit to 75 isnt gonna help when you are making 7.50 an hour.

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 9:40:23 PM   
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You want people to support themselves.. yet you seem to try and prevent any attempt to help them achieve those goals...
I have to ask why.


How am I trying to prevent any attempts to help people achieve their goals?

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RE: The 8 Ways Obamacare Helps 47 Million Women, Starti... - 8/6/2012 10:10:44 PM   
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If you were to slash the actual cost of medical procedures in half, more would likely be financially capable of paying, and it would be less of a financial burden on the insured and the taxpayer. But, the ACA doesn't do that. It's a massive and intentionally (my assumption) wordy attempt to subsidize insurance by thieving it from "the rich."

Eve slashing a 150 medical office visit to 75 isnt gonna help when you are making 7.50 an hour.


LMAO!!

How many people are actually making $7.50/hr? And, who are these people? Isn't the vast majority of those making Federal minimum wage single people, and/or single people who are still young? And, if you were to halve the costs of care, it wouldn't take as long for a person to make enough to cover the costs. 20 hours down to 10 hours to gross the cost of a Dr. visit.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2011.htm

3.829M people ages 16 or older earned the minimum wage (1.677M) or less (2.152M) in 2011 (those who rely on tips didn't count the tips for the research, leading to a group of people making less than the Federal minimum wage).

Roughly 20 percent of those earning hourly wages (59.1% of wage earners are paid hourly) are under 25. Of the people making the Federal minimum wage, or less, 49.5%% are under 25.

5.2% of all workers paid hourly are paid at or below the Federal minimum.

Some math works that out to just under 3.1% of all wage earners (59.1% of all wage earners are paid hourly, and 5.2% of hourly wage earners are paid at or below the Federal minimum) are getting paid Federal minimum wage or less.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2011tbls.htm#7

Of the 3.829M people making the Federal minimum wage or less, 0.899M (23.5%) are ages 16-19.

Of the 3.829M people making the Federal minimum wage or less, 0.997 (26.0%) are ages 20-24.

At what age does the majority of medical woes start to seriously impact one's life to the extent that regular Dr. visits become the norm?

0.460M (12.0%) people who make the Federal minimum wage or below are ages 25-29.

Combined, 61.5% of the people making the Federal minimum wage or below are under 30.



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