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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 1:38:17 AM   
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Don't you just love S&M pissing contests?

If I was going to start one I would say if I was "master" of someone I wouldn't let them post on the internet till they learned how to use a spell checker, but that's just me.



That'd sure thin out the posters.

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 1:40:21 AM   
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How duos one qualify as a master duos one just decide thy or a master or is it like a master at a trade one works at it for years before becoming a master  how duos just calling ones self a master make it so i don't get it .It seems to me it is just a way some men use to justify beating up on a women or to get free sex any time thy wish it sex should never be  in the true sub/slave master relation ship


If you send me your VISA number and PIN I'll email you a course in 'How to become a Master in three easy lessons'.

Worth a try.

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 5:19:10 AM   
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Well no one can relay own any one so it all seems to be just Raoul play in the U.S.A its against the law to own a norther parson or have a slave so is this legal or is it all just roll play

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 5:39:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chains314

Well no one can relay own any one so it all seems to be just Raoul play in the U.S.A its against the law to own a norther parson or have a slave so is this legal or is it all just roll play


You are correct that there is no legal basis for slavery in the US so anyone who is involved in an M/s relationship is not in a legal slavery agreement. However, it's not all role play for those involved. Legalities do not necessarily make a relationship. They can define a relationship within the legal statutes of the area where you live, but they don't define a relationship. Only those within any relationship can define that relationship.

When I find the One who floats my boat, our relationship will be defined the way the 2 of us decide to define it. I don't need legalities to define a relationship for me. They make some aspects of a relationship more convenient when dealing with people outside of the relationship, but they aren't what makes it work. It's the 2 people involved who do that.

If you prefer role play to reality, that is fine. But one can define their reality however they choose. If I choose to define the reality of my future relationship as one of  Master and slave, then I can do that as well.

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 5:48:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty

ok... here goes... and I reckon its gonna ruffle some feathers

My classifications are as follows :

Top = basically a kinky 'nilla person only interested in scene playing

Dom = weekend warrior... someone that "can" master a girl, yet doesn't do it on a 24/7 basis, for whatever reason

Master = 24/7 TPE Dominant, accountable for all personal actions and actions for his slave

Now... with that being said... I don't believe that a person "has" to have a girl collared in order to fit any of those classifications.. a man can be a Master without currently owning a slave, just as a man can be a Dom without currently owning a slave, just as someone can say "I'm only a Top" and not be anywhere near the dungeon.

on a side note...this is in regards to slavejlb... is your husband your Master or is he just your "once in a while Dom" ? He can't be both, and I would imagine that would be the general consensus of most of the people around the CM forums. And further, if He is just your "once in a while Dom".... can you be classified as a slave... or just a "once in a while sub" ? (I'm just curious, no offense intended)

T.R.


no ruffled feathers here, im comfortable with the fact that i have a 24/7 Dom and that i am a 24/7 sub, not a slave.  you don't have to agree with that for it to be the case.  i suppose if i wasn't in absolute comfort and realization of the fact that is who W/we are i would be bothered and feel the need to defend it, but nope, it just is how it is-- so i disagree.

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 5:52:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chains314

Well no one can relay own any one so it all seems to be just Raoul play in the U.S.A its against the law to own a norther parson or have a slave so is this legal or is it all just roll play


"Well, no one can really own anyone, so it all seems to be just Raoul play in the U.S.A.  It's against the law to own another person or to have a slave, so is this legal or is it all just role play?"

Man, I hate having to translate...

Consensual slavery is not the same thing as the type of slavery the U.S. abolished with the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.  Consensual slavery is also not recognized by the government and aren't we lucky about that!  Consensual slavery, such as we have with M/s and BDSM, is a relationship between two or more people.  It is an agreement, but one that can be terminated by either party at any time.  So while it does not fall within the lines of actual slavery, it is also cannot be construed as role play either.  There are those for whom it is role play, but it certainly is not that for many people.

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 7:13:38 AM   
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How duos one qualify as a master duos one just decide thy or a master or is it like a master at a trade one works at it for years before becoming a master  how duos just calling ones self a master make it so i don't get it .It seems to me it is just a way some men use to justify beating up on a women or to get free sex any time thy wish it sex should never be  in the true sub/slave master relation ship

I identify as "Master" to my slave, because she calls me that... it's that simple. If you are searching for a concrete definition, good luck. As for you stating that it's just a ploy to beat someone up and that sex shouldn't be involved...I'm not sure where you came to that conclusion but it's certainly false, last I knew there was no definition for "true" relationships anyway. Contrary to your line of reasoning, both scening and free sex are physical acts and can be conducted without any relationship or title at all. 

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 8:51:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chains314

How duos one qualify as a master duos one just decide thy or a master or is it like a master at a trade one works at it for years before becoming a master  how duos just calling ones self a master make it so i don't get it .It seems to me it is just a way some men use to justify beating up on a women or to get free sex any time thy wish it sex should never be  in the true sub/slave master relation ship


master (with no caps) would be the correct title to the son of a Squire in England, and thus is refered to as Master Johnny (or what even his name is). Not used much these days unfortunately.

Master has a mumber of meanings which include the fiollowing:-

Master of a ship,
Master of a craft
Master of a school (Head Master being the senior Master)
Master of a Home (Iron Bear, Master of Home Iron Bear)
Master of (place suitable academic degree here like Master of Science (Applied Psychology))
Master being the head of a branch of a Lodge (Grand Master usually the head of a Lodge for a country or world wide)
Master as being the Male Dominant in a Master/slave relationship.
Master ~ Gorean: Term applied to a Gorean Free Man who owned one or more slaves.. Also... Form of address by which every Gorean slave will address all Gorean Masters....



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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 9:09:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chains314

How duos one qualify as a master duos one just decide thy or a master or is it like a master at a trade one works at it for years before becoming a master  how duos just calling ones self a master make it so i don't get it .It seems to me it is just a way some men use to justify beating up on a women or to get free sex any time thy wish it sex should never be  in the true sub/slave master relation ship


I am Master to the one who wears my collar.  the only thing whcih qualifies me as a Master is her acceptance of the relationship.  I may be a dominant, but I am certainly not  a Master to anyone else. 

Sorry to burst your bubble there but I have inflicted rather intense pain on more than a few women and have never "beat one up".  Relationships are defined by the people in them, should I suggest we remove the sex from our relationship my little one would want to have a discussion about why we were having a relationship

K. 

< Message edited by PlayfulOne -- 6/10/2006 9:10:00 AM >

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 9:16:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chains314
What is a Master?


Master:
1. One that has control over another.

2.
a. The owner or keeper of an animal:
b. The owner of a slave.

3. One who has control over or ownership of something.

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 11:14:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chains314

Well no one can really own any one, so it all seems to be just role play.  In the U.S.A its against the law to own another person or have a slave, so is this legal or is it all just role play?

(Quote edited for spelling and grammar corrections for legibility of the question)
 
Now then...
In modern society, slavery, as a state of being, has been legislated out of existence.  It is not legally possible to own another human being, to sell them like property, to deny them civil liberties, ownership of property, freedom of movement, to force them to labor at undesired work, etc. because they are "owned."

However, the law has never stopped people from doing what they wanted.  Just some very quick and common examples:  Selling certain kinds of drugs is illegal.  Killing other people in certain circumstances is illegal.  Exchanging sex for money is illegal.  The list goes on, but you get the idea.  Legal slavery does not exist.  ILLEGAL slavery certainly does.  And never forget that the functional equivalent of slavery absolutely exists.  Ask any convicted felon about their stay in prison, about their freedom of movement once out of prison, their ability to vote or own certain kinds of property, etc.

But the kind of slavery we are talking about and practice in this lifestyle is CONSENTUAL slavery.  It is the volunatry and willing surrender of power and authority to another person.  The slave is not a slave because the law says so, the slave is not a slave because someone forces him or her into slavery.  The slave is a slave because it is the call of his or her heart to be a slave.  It is a need, deep within their soul, that can only be filled by the total surrender they experience through obedience and service to the one who owns them.

In a sense, I suppose it could be considered role playing.  Just as we take on the role of Father or Mother, the role of Husband or Wife, the role of Employee or Manager. For the Owner, or the slave, this is a facet of their life, a role they use to find fulfillment of their needs. 

Being a slave is not a role like Sean Connery playing at being James Bond, or Halle Berry playing Catwoman.  It isn't something that can easily be set aside and walked away from.  It is an essential part of the spiritual, emotional and mental make up of the slave or Owner.  Without their counterparts, neither the Owner, nor the slave, feel complete.  They can function quite well without, but it is always better with. 

There are those people who can't wrap their heads or hearts around the idea that someone would voluntarily be a slave.  Those people will never be able to understand the joy and peace a slave finds when he or she connects with the Owner who will take their leash and accept the huge responsibility that Owning a human being incurs.  They'll never experience that rush of power an Owner feels when a slave surrenders to obedience.  The people who can't, or won't, understand or accept this emotional and spiritual truth will almost always condemn those they don't understand.  And we who walk this path have to deal with that lack of understanding daily.

That's sad, but it's true.

What I do with my girl, with our play partners, isn't abuse.  It may be painful, it may be intense, but abusive?  Never.  I do what I do with love and pleasure, my girl and our play partners do what they do with love and pride and contentment.  They know they are free to leave at any time, the door is never locked, the chains are never welded on, no one is ever threatened with injury or harm that is not consented to clearly and completely.

Even discipline is consented to.  I never punish or lash out in anger, they know I will be fair and even handed, if they are disciplined it is because they knowingly broke a rule.  Ignorance or mis-communication is never a cause for punishment, it's a chance to educate or practice better communcation skills.  Willful disobedience on the other hand, is grounds for discipline and they understand that.

As you can see this is a subject I am rather passionate about and I could go on for days, but I will stop boring y'all and bring this to a close with this thought:

My way is not the only way.  It's just one of a bazillion possible ways.  Feel free to use what works for you and discard the rest.

YIK,
- Geoff

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 11:27:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chains314

Well no one can relay own any one so it all seems to be just Raoul play in the U.S.A its against the law to own a norther parson or have a slave so is this legal or is it all just roll play


Blatantly hijacking the thread with the *role-play* note........My 12 yr old son casually mentioned that the pink *princess slippers* we gave my grandaughter for her 4 th birthday today *gave role-play a bad name*.

Made me smile, anyhow..lol

Regards, agirl

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 1:55:01 PM   
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Ok... this is said with the understanding that I am going to be a complete smartass with absolutely nothing valid or constructive to add to the current thread... other than maybe getting a chuckle or two

Geoff... as much of a spelling and grammar fanatic that I am... I kind of liked the original post...(but thank you for correcting it anyway) and here is My spin on it....

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  ORIGINAL: chains314

Well no one can relay own any one so it all seems to be just Raoul play


since when did Spain get dragged into this mess ? Or do they just have a Cuban cabana boy fantasy, perhaps ?

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  in the U.S.A its against the law to own a norther parson

You heard it here first folks.... NO COLLARING OF THE MINNESOTA CLERGY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  or is it all just roll play


A bakery fetish also ? I wonder if Raoul will be involved in this somehow or another.... or maybe they just had indigestion from Lamberts down in Missouri and these posts are all just a side effect...

well wishes everyone !!
T.R. and beth

*edited to add Masters input on this as well*

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 2:48:19 PM   
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you aint a master unless you got a slave. so i guess subduing somebody into being your slave makes you a master

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 2:54:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: candleTC

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  in the U.S.A its against the law to own a norther parson

You heard it here first folks.... NO COLLARING OF THE MINNESOTA CLERGY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Dang!! Well that explains my collar-lessness.

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 3:09:56 PM   
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Hey! I finally made it to kinky. Woohoo!

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 4:06:45 PM   
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Some submissives are slaves, some are not; some dominants are Masters, some are not. It is not what you do or whether you have anyone to do it to, it's an attitude. There is a qualitative difference between D/s and M/s relationships, mainly revolving around the mutual need for ownership rather than merely control.

In my experience and my not so humble opinion.

Lash




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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 4:14:56 PM   
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i saw he was Master when  he looked at me and said.."mine"!



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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 4:20:40 PM   
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oooh very provocative question.  I give this about 24 hours to get dirty.

Im outta here!

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RE: WHAT IS A master - 6/10/2006 4:28:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chains314

How duos one qualify as a master duos one just decide thy or a master or is it like a master at a trade one works at it for years before becoming a master  how duos just calling ones self a master make it so i don't get it .It seems to me it is just a way some men use to justify beating up on a women or to get free sex any time thy wish it sex should never be  in the true sub/slave master relation ship



Master is a Master of Art, he is a Master of wood work, he is a Master construction, he is a Master of vocals, ect.......But most importantly HE IS MASTER TO ME FOR HE HOLDS THE KEY TO MY HEART, MIND AND SOUL..........THAT MAKES HIM A MASTER

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