joether
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What "end" to the "great recession"
Sad thing for you, is the inability to accept the reality of numbers, figures, and facts. This leads you to rant and rave on material that is in black and white, known and recorded in this history books. And that, some how, through your ranting and ravings, the total lies, we'll believe it. Unfortunately, Sanity, you are not FOX News, and we are not FOX New's audience. We tend to think and check on information.
Case in point.
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act was set up to stop the whole economy from slipping down into a depression. If Democrats (including the President) had listen to the 'rantings and ravings' of the GOP, this country would now STILL be in a depression rivalling the one that started after the 1929 stock market crash. Curious there are no conservatives bring this fact up, isnt it? Its all in the recent US History books if you dont believe me. Instead, the President and the Democratic Congress opted for the ARRA. Paid over two years to create an artifical demand to the massive supply we had at the time. Without this 'fake' demand, companies would have sold less and less inventory, ran up debt and collapse, sending.....MORE....folks into unemployment. Funny we dont hear alot of conservatives talking about this knowledge, either?
Yes, it was a 'spending' bill, but unlike the Iraq War, we were spending the money on AMERICA. And it costed 1/4th what we paid for the Iraq War. Did we find many of those '...massive stockpiles...' of 'weapons of mass destruction' we were told by the Republican administration, conservatives voted to place into power? No? Contiuning....
As the economists studied the many economic indicators (major and minor), they did notice that the economy was recovering, abit, very slowly. Unfortunately in our country, we have to many 'immediate gratification' types that were bitching the growth wasnt fast enough. It was actually possible to get the economy going again on the 'faster' element if we just spent.....more....money in those two years. We didnt, because of all the 'ranting and ravings' of conservatives. Yet again, all there in the history books, Sanity. Economists believed if we just spent another $500-700 billion in the 3rd year, we would be mostly out of the recession. And who, Sanity, do you think was ranting and raving about all the costs (even though they were perfectly fine with Republicans spending high on the hog)?
In fact, at the end of the ARRA, some of those industries had made positive recoveries, while most industries had stablized and now on a slow treck back to profitibility status.
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Are your unnamed sources claiming that everything is fine now that we have a D beside our presidents name
Seeing as we got into many of these problems by a Republican administration and Congress that felt a Laissez-Faire Capitalism was the best route for America. Should any intelligent and educated mind be surprised with the string of events that took place? The Iraq War was basically commissioned without much in the way of oversight. We spent $4 Trillion of borrowed money on that war alone! Congress got rid of the regulations created to prevent oil systems from being pressured upto and beyond their safety limits (i.e. the massive oil spill in the Gulf 3 years ago). Not to mention relaxing financial and investing systems, regulations, and laws meant to keep the financial sector from preying on those that couldnt pay for homes long term. Or on investors whom were told by the financial houses that things were 'fine' when later found, those investments should have been rated 'risky' at best. And that, Sanity, as they say, was just the tip of the iceberg.
Since President Obama has come to office, he and many Democrats (and a few sane Republicans) have been trying to correct all these problems, while running the nation, AND, have a political body that tries to undermine anything and everything as often as it can (aka the Party of No....the GOP). While this is going on, the misinformation machines that spew out total lies to conservatives audiences to dumb, ignorant and foolish to check the inforamtion, contuines day in and day out. Even on this very board, we've ask the conservatives "What would you?" and we get back complete nonsense or childish relies.
At the present moment, Republicans do not hold very much in the way of credibility on what to do with many aspects of America. They have stated in the past they will do "...anything and everything...." to make President Obama a one term President. That implies undermining the whole economy and goverment....too. Heck, their August schedule is over as of yesterday, Sanity. All the problems to be solved and issues dealt with will not take place until sometime in mid-September! Why should Republicans have to do their jobs?
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Read the thread header again for a reality check
Is that the percentage chance conservatives have to be right on any one issue? 
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Re your "brilliant" idea I was being sarcastic, in reality there is no plump rich government teat
Then you are truly oblivious to how Republicans used goverment (and your tax dollars) to fuel their corporate masters during the Bush Administration.
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
That government teat is attached to a dried up old dead corpse
We are beyond broke, we are in fact trillions and trillions in debt
Your solution is to beat a dead horse even harder
Guess we'll just have to tax the rich, right? We cant get much more out of the poor or middle class. And the rich keep getting all those nice fat tax cuts, maybe its time to jack up their income taxes to 56% rather than the 35% its at now. And make sure mathematically they could never lower that rate below 55.9%. They have benefitted highly for a decade while the poor and middle class have lost considerable ground, and now shoulder much of the goverment's budget.
YOUR Solution, Sanity, is to keep beating a dead horse, while giving corporations and the rich (i.e. the nobility) more power to lord over us all.
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Governments are cutting back because the alternative is bankruptcy. In some cases they've GONE bankrupt. Shaking down taxpayers only compounds the problems
Gosh you can see the present circumstances, but but cant admit how things got that way. Unless of course, its something you thing Democrats did. Cus you could....NEVER....hold the party you elect to Congress and the White House to even a billionth the same level of accountibility and responsibility as you slam Democrats and the White House on an hourly basis. And THAT, Sanity, is the God's Honest Truth!
Go ahead, reply. You'll prove me correct. All your previous thread posts have shown that you can not accept, let alone acknowledge that the party you vote in favor of, has done a huge amount of bad things to this nation's interests over the years. The effects of which, will affect this nation for years to come.
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Because entrenched government bureaucracies are so hopelessly inefficient only the private sector actually adds to the economy and leaching more And more from taxpayers is counterproductive
You possess no real knowledge of macro economics, with a statement like that. '...only the private sector adds to the economy....'? Tell me, Sanity, if this is true, what would happen if next year, the US Goverment simply collected all those taxes and did....nothing....with the money for 1 year (spending it all to buy down the US Debt)? Go ahead, try to tell all of us the blatant lie that is "....only the private sector adds to the economy....'. There are quite alot of private companies that do a large amount of business with the US Goverment. And those companies pay other companies, with the money they got from the US Govemrent for a white assortment of services and goods. You REALLY have no idea what your talking about. The economy would be....DEAD...in six months flat.
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The president says what he is doing is working but he refuses to take questions, and reasonable people have questions regarding that assertion
I believe your referring to former President George W. Bush that refused to take questions. President Obama (like former President Clinton) will take questions from people. The problem I see, is that most conservatives are just not intelligent, educated, nor wise enough to handle the answer the President gives. He speaks like an educated man, which simply eliminates most conservatives whose brains react at best as 6th graders (skill, emotion, and mentally). I would give Mr. Obama plenty more credibility to answer my questions reasonably, fairly, and truthfully. How is Romney doing on showing his tax returns for the last 10 years (Obama has shown his since BEFORE he become a senator)?
The image that is 'President Obama' in your mind is an absolutely fantasy. The reality of the man is a whole lot different. But you seem incapable of accepting reality. Fortunately, the Affordable Care Act helps folks see therapists....
< Message edited by joether -- 8/4/2012 1:40:15 PM >
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