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Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated?


No
  14% (11)
Yes
  18% (14)
Maybe
  18% (14)
Only on Wednesdays
  5% (4)
What do you mean?
  4% (3)
I have to sleep on that
  1% (1)
What? What did you say?
  2% (2)
Don't mind the deaf guy. He cannot read nor write anyway
  0% (0)
Naturally it is endemic to flogron
  9% (7)
Flog Ron? That hasn't got anything to do with the poll!
  24% (18)


Total Votes : 74
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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/24/2012 6:35:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FreeFromSin

No. There is no room for humiliation in a BDSM relationship.


It is built on ultimate respect. That goes for S&M, too.

Well gee, now that the ultimate authority has spoken, we can now close the poll

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/24/2012 10:38:49 AM   
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No. There is no room for humiliation in a BDSM relationship.

It is built on ultimate respect. That goes for S&M, too.

Where have you been all our lives? Thank god there is not someone here who can share the One True Way with the unwashed masses!

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/24/2012 1:01:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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I see....I did it all wrong??? As a genuine submissive I am supposed to love being humiliated??? Couldn't you have told me that back in 2007 when I joined here??? No wonder I made it all wrong with the weal twue doms

But to anser your question...any guy who tries to humiliate me, will be shown my door and be taught to shut it from the outside...before slipping down my 38 steps downstairs to the exit...due to them being slippery with banana peels

And nope...I am not wasting money in calling an ambulance...

Certified true sub.

Edited to add: Them ambulances must have picked up loads of doms where she lives and earned a lot of money.


Nope....most of my previous flats were on the bottom floor  And most of them I did not invite into my home

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/24/2012 3:47:33 PM   
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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/24/2012 4:56:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

So, this question is not directed to slaves or other ilk, but to genuine submissives only.


No, they use the down-time to plot bloody revenge

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 1:13:55 AM   
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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 1:51:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
I voted 'what do you mean?'

That actually is quite a good vote.

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
FR:

I just saw this poll. I voted 'what do you mean?' as you have to define your terms before you can ask this question.

What precisely *is* a 'genuine submissive?' How I define the term and how someone else defines it will be different.

A genuine submissive is defined by me as defined by me - and I ain't telling.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
What precisely do you mean by humiliation? Again, how I define it and how others define it will be different.

I belief that concept is defined in dictionaries. I might add to that definition - but I still ain't telling.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
I did want to point out how full of wrong the following statement is:
quote:

ORIGINAL: QuarterbackX
Subjective question here. Some would say by submitting that is a form of humiliation. So, if someone said's they are submissive, they are saying they enjoy to submit. and since their views are that if a person submits is humiliating, that they enjoy humiliation.
Then again, if a person enjoys being humiluated, then would it really be humiliation if they enjoy it, or just fun?

Anyone who equates submission and humiliation is (JMO) emotionally dangerous and should be avoided.

I agree, which is why I started the poll and this thread. See my post 37.


< Message edited by Rule -- 11/25/2012 1:54:58 AM >

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 2:07:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis
I like you better when you're being serious.

Pam

The poll was quite serious. The facetious options were added for those that lack pertinent knowledge.

I do note that a majority of 10 out of eighteen gave the wrong answer (Yes); whereas a minority of eight out of eighteen gave the correct answer (No). This is a rather disappointing distribution, as the result is even worse than flipping a coin.

I also note that a fair number of people (10) answered cautiously (Maybe) and that four voted prudently (Only on Wedensdays).

The poll was inspired by someone - who did not know what he was talking about - who asserted that submissives love to be humiliated. As ChatteParfaitt has stated:

quote:

Anyone who equates submission and humiliation is (JMO) emotionally dangerous and should be avoided.


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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 2:21:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule
The poll was inspired by someone - who did not know what he was talking about - who asserted that submissives love to be humiliated. As ChatteParfaitt has stated:

quote:

Anyone who equates submission and humiliation is (JMO) emotionally dangerous and should be avoided.



In that case I have to disagree with both of you. Anyone who equates submission and humiliation is... someone with a humiliation kink, nothing more, nothing less. Moreover, saying "this is what makes someone a good submissive" is essentially the same as saying "this is what makes someone a good submissive to me".

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 2:26:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can it be that you confuse slaves or other ilk with genuine submissives? Maybe you belong with the Gor crowd, who also cannot distinguish between genuine submissives and natural slaves nor any other person of the female persuasion?

The opening post explicitly limited the poll to genuine submissives only:

quote:

So, this question is not directed to slaves or other ilk, but to genuine submissives only.


< Message edited by Rule -- 11/25/2012 2:31:39 AM >

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 2:45:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

Can it be that you confuse slaves or other ilk with genuine submissives? Maybe you belong to the Gor crowd, who also cannot distinguish between genuine submissives and natural slaves nor any other person of the female pursuasion?

The opening post explicitly limited the poll to genuine submissives only:

quote:

So, this question is not directed to slaves or other ilk, but to genuine submissives only.



I may well be confused, but I just don't see how your clarification affects my answer. Essentially, I was saying that a "genuine submissive" is whatever a given Dominant thinks it is. The test is in the Dominant's mind (just as the test for what is a "genuine Dominant" is in the submissive's mind). Basically, I hold up whatever notion I have of what a "Dominant" is, and compare a potential Dominant to that standard. A Dominant may take whatever notion they have of what a "submissive" is, and compare me to that standard. We're both seeing if the person in front of us matches the idea we have in our heads. The same thing would apply if we were talking about Masters and slaves.

In other words, whether "genuine submissives" love to be humiliated is entirely subjective, and the answer will depend on whether the person answering has a humiliation fetish.

Perhaps I should not have answered. I don't know whether I'm really a "genuine submissive" or not.

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 3:46:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Genuine, or true, submissive or slave... it's all subjective. My concern always is, do the parties involved fit one another? Is what they're doing working for them?

Interesting thread, Rule.

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 3:50:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whereas in my perception what defines a submissive is not superficial characteristics, but a precise psychological profile.

Thus your vote ought to have been anything but Yes or No.

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 3:54:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Level
Genuine, or true, submissive or slave... it's all subjective.

Whereas my definitions are objective.

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ORIGINAL: Level
My concern always is, do the parties involved fit one another? Is what they're doing working for them?

That is a good - practical - point of view.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level
Interesting thread, Rule.

Thank you, Level.

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 4:00:32 AM   
Rule


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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis
I don't know whether I'm really a "genuine submissive" or not.

Your great sense of humor indicates that you may be a natural slave - not a submissive. But I may be wrong.


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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 4:15:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis


In other words, whether "genuine submissives" love to be humiliated is entirely subjective, and the answer will depend on whether the person answering has a humiliation fetish.


Pam


But when I said "Anyone who equates submission and humiliation is (JMO) emotionally dangerous and should be avoided.' it was in response to the Quarterback person. The issue I addressed was not about loving humiliation.

I love to be humiliated in some contexts, and I hate it in others, and I believe many submissives, however genuine in Rule's book, feel the same. Do all subs love to be humiliated? Of course not.

But (hello?) equating submission and humiliation is not loving it. It is saying submission and humiliation are equal. In other words, it is saying to be submissive is humiliating in it's own right. And I do not believe that.

This is what *I* mean by humiliate: abase, chasten, cheapen, debase, degrade, demean, discredit, disgrace, dishonor, foul, humble, lower, mortify, shame, sink, smirch, take down.

None of those words apply to me. I do not obey, serve and please my dominant out of a place of shame and dishonor. Quite the opposite. I obey serve and please him out of a sense of reverence for the man he is. He does not lower me, I raise him.

So I will state again, anyone who thinks being submissive is debasing, degrading, and demeaning is not emotionally healthy. That's a dangerous person, and should be avoided.


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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 4:27:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not all ” genuine” submissives have a humiliation fetish.

Not all persons with a humiliation fetish are submissive.

So, the answer is sometimes they do, and sometimes they do not.

Also, some like only a certain level of humiliation, they will respond to it very well until you go too far.
It's called a soft limit, kind of like when you allow them to pleasure you until their teeth become annoying and then you command them to stop.


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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 9:43:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

Can it be that you confuse slaves or other ilk with genuine submissives? Maybe you belong with the Gor crowd, who also cannot distinguish between genuine submissives and natural slaves nor any other person of the female persuasion?

Coming from someone who by their own admission has ZERO experience as a dom or sub, you really think you have any standing to be criticizing other people here Rule?

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/25/2012 2:54:07 PM   
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Just out of curiosity, when did a slave STOP being a submissive?

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RE: Do genuine submissives love to be humiliated? - 11/26/2012 4:30:05 PM   
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I do note that a majority of 10 out of eighteen gave the wrong answer (Yes); whereas a minority of eight out of eighteen gave the correct answer (No). This is a rather disappointing distribution, as the result is even worse than flipping a coin.


What about the 36% of us who voted for or against flogging Ron?

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