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joether -> RE: Searching for the Undecided Voter (8/4/2012 12:10:03 PM)
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Voter ID, as its been said in the pass will prove to be unconstitutional (as a violation of the 4th Amendment). We'll watch as Republicans throw tens of millions of tax dollars and their own money trying to defend the issue in the courts. Ultimately, the concept will fail.
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4th Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Right there, in black and white. Unless the law enforcement believes I have done something against the law, and can state the probable cause, can check my ID. Which is why when your stopped by an officer in your car, you can ask "Why am I being stopped, officer?" And they, according to the laws of the US Constitution, have to explain. And officer could just stop you on the side of the street, and demand ID without cause. But they could, if you closely matched the discription of a fugitive that was seen in the local area.
Even at the polling location, one is considered "...secure in their persons, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seirzures." Or have you been stripped searched...EVERY TIME....you went to vote? How often do you see the police walk up to those in the voting line and demand to see whats in their pockets or purses? And if the order is refuse, arrest them? It doesnt happen....unless....the officer has probable cause (which has to stand up to a court decision).
According to the 4th Amendment, there is no reasonable justification for an officer to see my photo ID. They didnt require photo ID of the state's residents after the Revolutionary War was fought, did they?
Why should I have to pay $18 to help fund the conservative's obessive-compulsive paranoia and delusionment of voter fraud? In the last election (2008), there were like 13 confirmed cased of voter fraud....nationwide! And since that time, conservatives have failed over many attempts to show this number is even approaching 100 let alone a few hundred thousand needed to switch a vote. So why should I have to pay to prove I'm who and where I say I am and live? I dont have to prove anything until someone shows EVIDENCE and FACTS to the contrary. Which means, its up to someone else to show the BURDEN OF PROOF that I am guilty of something. And even then, I STILL dont have to show any ID under the 5th Amendment (if I wasnt who I said I was, nor lived where I said I did).
All the Photo ID law does is say The State accuses you, without any evidence or proof of wrong doing, of a crime and you, the citizen, must prove your innocence BEFORE being allowed to do your civil duty (i.e. vote). Last I checked in the USA, a person is considered INNOCENT until proven GUILTY.....in a court of law! But apparently in the conservative version of America, they follow the same 'police' standards as TROOPS: "All suspects are GUILTY....otherwise they wouldnt be suspected."
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