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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/6/2012 8:10:01 AM   
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Rarely does the purely physical stuff linger like the emotional connections do.



Amen to that, brother!

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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/7/2012 9:13:58 AM   
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Short version.

I'm not looking for an experience, an event, an occasion or an adventure. If I was, that would be easy. That is what Pros are for. I'm looking for a person. One enough like myself to enjoy.

Long version.

Right. Like you are going to want to read as I go on and on.

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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/7/2012 8:57:24 PM   
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I've done some casual play before. Usually it was with someone I was dating but not yet in a relationship with, but I've been a "demo dummy" for classes or played with someone I knew but wasn't involved yet at events a few times. Sometimes I did go deeply into subspace, so far gone that I couldn't say "red," or "no," or my own name. Sometimes I cried. In a couple cases, including once during a class, I was overwhelmed with sheer terror. I've been caught by surprise by reacting with submission rather than just bottoming. So, I'm more cautious now about getting involved in casual play, especially if I am bottoming or submitting. I don't tend to get as swept away or lost in the moment if I'm the one topping.

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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/7/2012 9:56:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I tend to play with someone I already have a connection with on some level. Play is but one avenue to explore and expand the connection that exists. Play for me is to be fun. But it isnt fun if it does Enhance and celebrate the connection that exists. But to play just for the sake of playing isn't something that resonates with me. I enjoy, I love the bonding of people together in some sort of connection. When I watch people play. It's not what they are doing that interests me. But the connection that are making with each other I enjoy the doing is but a means to the end. It's that end that attracts me.


I agree with KoM, as usual.

Deep sigh...... it's the end that attracts me also.

Casual play is like casual sex for me.
To each their own.



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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/7/2012 10:14:01 PM   
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I prefer to play with people that I will see again. I hope they can appreciate my growth and progress. I feel like strangers don't care. And when they don't appreciate the hard work I put into it, then I don't care. Just knowing someone MIGHT say "wow, you really put in a lot of effort" is enough to keep me entranced.

I've never felt subspace in a cripplingly strong way. Maybe next time.

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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/8/2012 2:49:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dananddawn

Short version - when you play with someone, do you really connect to them deeply, or is it just ... play that last until it ends and then you go on your merry way? Do you see play as a physical handshake, good and firm and real, but ends when it ends? Or is it a hug that kind of blocks out the rest of the room?

Long version - Not too long ago, I was at a play party, watching a half dozen scenes going on around me. One person was being flogged, another tied up, yet another having needles poked into them….
As I wandered around, I thought about how I play, and how I really didn’t fit in.

I’ve been thinking about it for some time now, and why I don’t (can’t) play like other people, and if it…well, means anything.

Before I go on, here is the disclaimer. For this to make sense, I have to describe how I don’t play. And if that is the way you do play, do not hear in what I am saying that you are doing things wrong. You are not. You and the top/bottom are having fun, enjoying yourself, getting what you need out of it. So there is not right or wrong. There is what I can and can’t do.

The thing that I seek in play is a sense of the trance state. It used to be dom and sub space, but those ideal have become less (known/popular) in the recent years with many people.

It isn’t enough to flog you for the sake of flogging you. I am skilled at it, I can do it well, and you will enjoy it. But for me, if you are able to hold a conversation with someone else during our scene, or when we are done you are clear eyed, or you don’t think about it the next day, it isn’t a scene that will feed me.

I have likened it to dancing. We can meet at a club, both go out on the dance floor, do the moves, and have a good time. But I don’t do that.

I want to grab you from the wall, take your hand and lead you into the middle of the floor, and sweep you off of your feet. To take you in my arms and lead you in a dance, where you no longer have to think or react, but to just allow the dance to happen. And that puts me in the same space, leading our joint dance, creating a joint connection. To allow things to be esoteric, our energies mingle, vulnerabilities open, we bleed desire into each other. Thought becomes mute and the scene transcends toys. We merge in the dance. The idea of conversation or who is watching or what is on TV tonight become things that are not part of us.

Scening, like other aspects of intimacy, are sacred to me. And, in writing this, I’ve found that key that I need in a scene – the intimacy. Not sex, not physical penetration, but intimate penetration perhaps is the way to describe it.

This kind of energy – be it sex, scene, or in a conversation where the world goes on hold while we merge mind and thought and words – is what I want in our dance. The trance, the energy, the connection that lingers….




Both. It depends entirely on the scene, the surrounding circumstances, and the person I am playing with.

Some people can only reach that level if playing with their intimate partner. That's not true of everybody. The dance can happen with those you don't know or barely know. There are times that you can find a certain synergy with someone right out of the gate. I've found that a few times over the years and it's amazing when it happens. One of My favorite examples of this is a particular gal in Atlanta. People swore up and down that we *must* have had some kind of intimate relationship because of the way we responded to each other, moved together, and were so much in unison.

The problem with these kinds of threads is that, even with the disclaimer, it comes across as the author is attempting to elevate themselves from us common folk. If a person doesn't want to scene without that "connection" more power to them. This wouldn't be the first time that someone has graced these boards with the "better than the casual play" attitude or show their peacock feathers because they want to talk about their intimacy techniques. I have this disagreement with Michael regularly, who also looks down the nose at any instance where the sacred connection doesn't happen or feels he is just too good for the masses.

It's easy to brag that you only engage when there is a guaranteed win. Can you also roll the dice and accept that you won't always move mountains? Some people can't. It's too hard on their ego. They want to stick their nose up about this "random flogging" and put on airs that they are so much better than that. At the same time, they miss the unexpected. Had I ever done that, I'd have cheated Myself out of so very, very much. Those times that it just "happened" and became some of the best scenes of My life.

No offense to you, OP. I'm sure your way works for you in your safety net where the trance only happens when you know it will. I'll go the other way and accept the concept of sometimes it will happen and sometimes it won't, but when I find it out of the blue, it will be utterly amazing.



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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/8/2012 9:01:24 AM   
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Thank you LP!
every time I see one of these threads I know the majority of the posts will echo the OP.
We get it. You all adore your mates and can ONLY feel sublime pleasure in the context of that relationship. No one has ever had satisfying sex until they found their "one". No one has ever had sex unless they believed that guy/gal was a keeper. Purity rules!
eh.
My best relationship ever began because I saw someone walk in my office door, his golden hair highlighted by the sunlight pouring in while I leaned over and told my office pal.. I am going to have that man. He and I kept up an on and off relationship for 22 yrs.
Our first night.. mmmmmmmm.. each and every time.

And yet another time at a demo, I was zapped with a violet wand and sunk to my feet, deep in subspace to one of my casual group members.

Sure things can seem more intense when you are in a relationship. It just seems so odd to me that 80% of you have never been casual or had fun while you were.

Empty calories can still be tasty.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
The dance can happen with those you don't know or barely know. There are times that you can find a certain synergy with someone right out of the gate. I've found that a few times over the years and it's amazing when it happens. One of My favorite examples of this is a particular gal in Atlanta. People swore up and down that we *must* have had some kind of intimate relationship because of the way we responded to each other, moved together, and were so much in unison.

The problem with these kinds of threads is that, even with the disclaimer, it comes across as the author is attempting to elevate themselves from us common folk. If a person doesn't want to scene without that "connection" more power to them. This wouldn't be the first time that someone has graced these boards with the "better than the casual play" attitude or show their peacock feathers because they want to talk about their intimacy techniques. I have this disagreement with Michael regularly, who also looks down the nose at any instance where the sacred connection doesn't happen or feels he is just too good for the masses.

It's easy to brag that you only engage when there is a guaranteed win. Can you also roll the dice and accept that you won't always move mountains? Some people can't. It's too hard on their ego. They want to stick their nose up about this "random flogging" and put on airs that they are so much better than that. At the same time, they miss the unexpected. Had I ever done that, I'd have cheated Myself out of so very, very much. Those times that it just "happened" and became some of the best scenes of My life.

No offense to you, OP. I'm sure your way works for you in your safety net where the trance only happens when you know it will. I'll go the other way and accept the concept of sometimes it will happen and sometimes it won't, but when I find it out of the blue, it will be utterly amazing.

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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/8/2012 1:49:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Thank you LP!
every time I see one of these threads I know the majority of the posts will echo the OP.
We get it. You all adore your mates and can ONLY feel sublime pleasure in the context of that relationship. No one has ever had satisfying sex until they found their "one". No one has ever had sex unless they believed that guy/gal was a keeper. Purity rules!
eh.
My best relationship ever began because I saw someone walk in my office door, his golden hair highlighted by the sunlight pouring in while I leaned over and told my office pal.. I am going to have that man. He and I kept up an on and off relationship for 22 yrs.
Our first night.. mmmmmmmm.. each and every time.

And yet another time at a demo, I was zapped with a violet wand and sunk to my feet, deep in subspace to one of my casual group members.

Sure things can seem more intense when you are in a relationship. It just seems so odd to me that 80% of you have never been casual or had fun while you were.

Empty calories can still be tasty.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
The dance can happen with those you don't know or barely know. There are times that you can find a certain synergy with someone right out of the gate. I've found that a few times over the years and it's amazing when it happens. One of My favorite examples of this is a particular gal in Atlanta. People swore up and down that we *must* have had some kind of intimate relationship because of the way we responded to each other, moved together, and were so much in unison.

The problem with these kinds of threads is that, even with the disclaimer, it comes across as the author is attempting to elevate themselves from us common folk. If a person doesn't want to scene without that "connection" more power to them. This wouldn't be the first time that someone has graced these boards with the "better than the casual play" attitude or show their peacock feathers because they want to talk about their intimacy techniques. I have this disagreement with Michael regularly, who also looks down the nose at any instance where the sacred connection doesn't happen or feels he is just too good for the masses.

It's easy to brag that you only engage when there is a guaranteed win. Can you also roll the dice and accept that you won't always move mountains? Some people can't. It's too hard on their ego. They want to stick their nose up about this "random flogging" and put on airs that they are so much better than that. At the same time, they miss the unexpected. Had I ever done that, I'd have cheated Myself out of so very, very much. Those times that it just "happened" and became some of the best scenes of My life.

No offense to you, OP. I'm sure your way works for you in your safety net where the trance only happens when you know it will. I'll go the other way and accept the concept of sometimes it will happen and sometimes it won't, but when I find it out of the blue, it will be utterly amazing.

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For myself, I had tons of casual sex after my husband's death but I was always drunk when it happened and I was using it to cover up my pain and the longing for companionship again. But the next day when I was sober, I felt nothing, I was hollow and empty but yet I'd go out again that night and do it all over again. It was fun while I was drunk but extremely mentally painful the next day.

It was many years later that I stopped doing it because I realized why I was doing it and I was able to grieve and reconcile myself. I know lots of people who enjoy casual sex and play and I don't see anything wrong with it. Lots of people enjoy it. I just hope that those who do, do it responsibly and ethically and not as a way to hide from the world.


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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/8/2012 10:27:10 PM   
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My dad was an alcoholic. One of my sisters is an alcoholic. I chose very early on to use that stuff liberally at best, so for me it is maybe 4 times a year. And.. though I was often out dancing at night and hanging out in a bar or biker crowd I kept to that standard, knowing how easily one can slip. Oddly enough though I partied a LOT.. and I mean like.. 5 days a week or more when I was younger, I never got into casual sex. I have been single since I was 24 and I am now 58... I can still name my lovers (10 of them) and keep in touch with some of them to this day. I cannot say I have been casual. But I will not say I only slept with men I planned to be "the one". Phht. Instead I chose to enjoy the time i spent with some really remarkable men.
There was a song in the 60's that I believe made a strong impression on me.
You don't have to a slut or be casual to enjoy sex. And it doesn't have to be serious to connect with a partner. It is all in how one relates to people. I place a high value on those I have loved, sex was never the defining qualifier.


We'll sing in the sunshine we'll laugh every day
We'll sing in the sunshine then be on our way

[ Bobby ]
I will never love you the cost of love's too dear
But though I'll never love you I'll live with you one year

[ Skeeter ]
I'll sing to you each morning mhm I'll kiss you every night

But darling don't cling to me I'll soon be out of sight

[ Both ]
But we can sing in the sunshine we'll laugh every day

We'll sing in the sunshine then be on our way

[ Skeeter ]
[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/well-sing-in-the-sunshine-lyrics-skeeter-davis.html ]

Daddy he once told me now don't you love you any man

Just take what they may give you and give out what you can

[ Bobby ]
Now when our year has ended and I have gone away

You'll often speak about me and this is what you'll say

[ Both ]
We sang in the sunshine we laughed every day

We sang in the sunshine then went on our way

Yes we sang in the sunshine then went on our way





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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/9/2012 11:22:07 PM   
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Play is okay. Play with feedback better. Making a trusting intimate connection is awesome.

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RE: do you play or do you connect? - 8/12/2012 5:09:34 PM   
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I'm totally with you danandawn... I need a strong connection before play. Everyone is different as you already acknowledge and what works for some just doesn't for others. Thanks for sharing!

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