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Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 5:23:33 PM

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Conservative author Matthew Vadum offers an interesting perspective on the hot topic of voting:

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Why are left-wing activist groups so keen on registering the poor to vote?

Because they know the poor can be counted on to vote themselves more benefits by electing redistributionist politicians. Welfare recipients are particularly open to demagoguery and bribery.

Registering them to vote is like handing out burglary tools to criminals. It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country -- which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote.

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Thoughts? Time to rethink property requirements for voting? Is Vadum's antipathy to poor voters shared by others? Might it play a role in efforts to "prevent voter fraud"?

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 5:30:12 PM

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Only men who own land should vote.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 5:31:11 PM

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Unfortunately there are lots like him out there.
Foul nasty little man.
YMMV

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 5:39:56 PM

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That has got to be one of the most asinine commentaries. Talk about a dumb cluck.

I know there are plenty (of "poor") out there who use the system, but there are plenty too who aspire to a better standard of living for themselves, created by their own work and not government hand-outs. Unfortunately helping those who truly need also means giving hand-outs to those who abuse the system.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 5:41:21 PM

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Foul nasty little man.

I can go along with this one.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 5:44:35 PM

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 5:48:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Conservative author Matthew Vadum offers an interesting perspective on the hot topic of voting:

quote:

Why are left-wing activist groups so keen on registering the poor to vote?

Because they know the poor can be counted on to vote themselves more benefits by electing redistributionist politicians. Welfare recipients are particularly open to demagoguery and bribery.

Registering them to vote is like handing out burglary tools to criminals. It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country -- which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote.

Essay at American Thinker

Thoughts? Time to rethink property requirements for voting? Is Vadum's antipathy to poor voters shared by others? Might it play a role in efforts to "prevent voter fraud"?

WISCONSIN CONSTITUTION ARTICLE VIII.
FINANCE
Rule of taxation uniform; income, privilege and
occupation taxes. SECTION 1. [As amended Nov. 1908, April
1927, April 1941, April 1961 and April 1974] The rule of taxa-
tion shall be uniform but the legislature (not people) may empower cities, vil-
lages or towns to collect and return taxes on real estate located
therein by optional methods. Taxes shall be levied upon such
property with such classifications as to forests and minerals
including or separate or severed from the land, as the legislature
shall prescribe. (not people) Taxation of agricultural land and undeveloped
land, both as defined by law, need not be uniform with the taxa-
tion of each other nor with the taxation of other real property.
Taxation of merchants’ stock−in−trade, manufacturers’ materi-
als and finished products, and livestock need not be uniform
with the taxation of real property and other personal property,
but the taxation of all such merchants’ stock−in−trade, manufac-
turers’ materials and finished products and livestock shall be
uniform, except that the legislature (not people) may provide that the value
thereof shall be determined on an average basis. Taxes may also
be imposed on incomes, privileges and occupations, which taxes
may be graduated and progressive, and reasonable exemptions
may be provided. [1905 J.R. 12, 1907 J.R. 29, 1907 c. 661, vote
Nov. 1908; 1925 J.R. 62, 1927 J.R. 13, vote April 1927; 1939
J.R. 88, 1941 J.R. 18, vote April 1941; 1959 J.R. 78, 1961 J.R.
13, vote April 1961; 1971 J.R. 39, 1973 J.R. 29, vote April 1974]

how about addressing the real problem? taxation as it is declared in the articles of confederation and brought forward as common law with the STATES NOT THE PEOPLE as the primary beneficiaries?

Articles of Confederation : March 1, 1781

VIII.

All charges of war, and all other expenses that shall be incurred for the common defense or general welfare, and allowed by the United States in Congress assembled, shall be defrayed out of a common treasury, which shall be supplied by the several States in proportion to the value of all land within each State, granted or surveyed for any person, as such land and the buildings and improvements thereon shall be estimated according to such mode as the United States in Congress assembled, shall from time to time direct and appoint.

The taxes for paying that proportion shall be laid and levied by the authority and direction of the legislatures of the several States within the time agreed upon by the United States in Congress assembled.

The Wisconsin Statutes & Annotations on this website are the current electronic versions of the printed Wisconsin Statutes & Annotations produced by the Legislative Reference Bureau, as updated through the indicated date and act number.

WIS STAT:
1.01 State sovereignty and jurisdiction. The sovereignty and jurisdiction of this state extend to all places within the boundaries declared in article II of the constitution, subject only to such rights of jurisdiction as have been or shall be acquired by the United States over any places therein; and the governor, and all subordinate officers of the state, shall maintain and defend its sovereignty and jurisdiction. (NOT THE PEOPLE)

get it?

Its because it is not a living person, and sovereignty means kingship or powers of a king

Yes you will!

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 5:53:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Unfortunately there are lots like him out there.
Foul nasty little man.
YMMV

what Lucy said!

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 6:13:58 PM

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Why can't the poor register themselves to vote ? Are they to dumb ? Just asking.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 6:42:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Conservative author Matthew Vadum offers an interesting perspective on the hot topic of voting:

quote:

Why are left-wing activist groups so keen on registering the poor to vote?

Because they know the poor can be counted on to vote themselves more benefits by electing redistributionist politicians. Welfare recipients are particularly open to demagoguery and bribery.

Registering them to vote is like handing out burglary tools to criminals. It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country -- which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote.

Essay at American Thinker

Thoughts? Time to rethink property requirements for voting? Is Vadum's antipathy to poor voters shared by others? Might it play a role in efforts to "prevent voter fraud"?

What a ridiculous conclusion. The same could be said for the wealthy, or for Congress, or for industry -- they're just going to vote themselves beneficial legislation, even raises and tax cuts...so they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 7:17:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
What a ridiculous conclusion.

Not to mention insulting to the poor, who might prefer to vote according to values, or a desire for greater opportunity, instead of a poverty maintenance handout.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 7:32:06 PM

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quote:

Why can't the poor register themselves to vote ? Are they to dumb ? Just asking.

I think, they are not naturally dumb but rather dumbed-down. There is nothing wrong helping them out. Hopefully they will vote Democrats and Republicans out of office, not for being forever on food-stamps.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 8:04:43 PM

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Just me…I believe recruiting activists of both parties perform a disservice to our democracy.

The votes they get are often tainted by one-sided rhetoric and can unfairly influence an election.

I take the time to learn the issues…know the candidates and what they represent…understand how the people and issues will affect myself and my family.

I discuss the issues with friends, family, and acquaintances and need no outside recruiter to tell me how I should vote.

Those that can not do the above on their own should not vote…they do not truly know the issues or what they are voting for or against and are worse than useless.

Let the people know the issues…ok…but the physical recruiting…door to door…driving to the polls…nope…they only deserve to have a say when they vote of their on accord without recruitment.

Butch

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 8:34:46 PM

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I disagree, Butch. Getting others involved, and even helping them get to the polls, is a great way for individuals to participate in democracy. Find an activist table for damn near any political issue anywhere, you'll find voter registration forms on the table.

Like anything, it can be corrupted, and is subject to abuse, but overall, I think the more people who get involved, the better.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 8:51:31 PM

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Rich If they only encouraged people to learn the issues and helped them to the polls rather then get them to vote a particular way I would agree with you...but that is not reality.

Take for instance Bush's second victory... it was achieved, or I believe it was, by Republican activist recruiters getting out the corn belt and religious right vote by emphasizing gay marriage and ignoring the important issues of the day.

That is one example but sadly it happens every election cycle...some talking point will be thought up to overshadow the important issues and appeal to the uneducated, on the issues anyway. Then recruiters will blanket areas expounding their one-sided rhetoric getting people to vote on the talking point only.

This to me is a disservice and should be outlawed.

Butch

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 8:55:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I disagree, Butch. Getting others involved, and even helping them get to the polls, is a great way for individuals to participate in democracy. Find an activist table for damn near any political issue anywhere, you'll find voter registration forms on the table.

Like anything, it can be corrupted, and is subject to abuse, but overall, I think the more people who get involved, the better.

I kinda agree with both of you.

IMHO.....the apparatus of voting should be nonpartisan,like we hope our police and courts will be and for the most part,are.

However,the more folks involved, the better.

There are some 1st world countries that are doing away with anything having to do with electronic or computer voting and going back to ......BION,paper ballots that are hand counted with observers watching the counting.

There have been revolutions in some countries......not all that long ago......over jerkoffs in government trying to steal freedom and democracy and votes.....I`m guessing they take these rights less for granted.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 9:11:54 PM

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There is a quote I've seen attributed to Churchill, and I'm probably paraphrasing, that the the best argument against democracy is 10 minutes talking to a typical voter.

We don't get to tell people what they have to base their decision on.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 9:15:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

There is a quote I've seen attributed to Churchill, and I'm probably paraphrasing, that the the best argument against democracy is 10 minutes talking to a typical voter.

We don't get to tell people what they have to base their decision on.

I believe it was 5 minutes but other than that, the quote is dead on.

He also said: "Democracy is the worst form of government ... except for all the others"

Sir Winston is one of my favorite people to quote (and he was a helluva politician).

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 9:19:20 PM

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quote:

We don't get to tell people what they have to base their decision on

Will there should be a law where they have to listen to me before voting...I will give them the unbiased skinny....

Butch

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/5/2012 9:32:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will there should be a law where they have to listen to me before voting...I will give them the unbiased skinny....

Butch

LOL.

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