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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 6:36:21 AM   
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Maybe it's just me but I feel a twinge of embarrassment whenever I see the percentage of eligible voters of my country who never show up.
It's disgusting that so few exercise their franchise and anything that can be done to raise that number can only strengthen the Republic...but thats just me


Perhaps if their vote counted they might vote.
Perhaps if there was something or some one to vote for they might vote.
When the choices are between being fucked in the ass with a mccoulagh chain saw or being fucked in the ass with a huskavarna chain saw...why vote at all?

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 7:26:58 AM   
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Perhaps if their vote counted they might vote.
Perhaps if there was something or some one to vote for they might vote.
When the choices are between being fucked in the ass with a mccoulagh chain saw or being fucked in the ass with a huskavarna chain saw...why vote at all?


Then why not run for a local office where they can start the changes to make a difference? Little money is needed to run for councilman...or to petition for change...or to take a place on a local government commission.

This oh poor me nothing ever changes attitude will not fly with me anyway...The only way to keep a democracy healthy is to participate in it...even if it is flawed. All that is needed is commitment.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 1:21:53 PM   
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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 1:24:17 PM   
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Unfortunately there are lots like him out there.
Foul nasty little man.
YMMV

Fact is there are many times over more poor out there.
Recall the video from 2008 "Gimmie sum dat Obama money."?

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 1:29:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Rich If they only encouraged people to learn the issues and helped them to the polls rather then get them to vote a particular way I would agree with you...but that is not reality.
Butch


I doubt they are being monitored when they vote. I also doubt if some person with limited means to register (transportation) said they would vote Republican, that the ride offer would be rescinded.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 1:33:13 PM   
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Didn't the scotus appoint bush to the second term?


No, that was his first term.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 1:43:22 PM   
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Unfortunately there are lots like him out there.
Foul nasty little man.
YMMV

Fact is there are many times over more poor out there.
Recall the video from 2008 "Gimmie sum dat Obama money."?

Matthew Vadum??you are the weakest link
Ugly subhuman mindset gets everywhere
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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 5:41:21 PM   
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Yes, only the poor vote in a self serving way.
Only the poor are to ignorant to vote.
They lack lack the keen grasp of the issues
that the still undecided on election day crowd has.
What an asshole.


I find it interesting that you have defined "populace" from Yachtie's post as "the poor." Could that be a bit of an illuminating gaffe?

And, yes, when the populace figures it out, the Republic is doomed. And, it is my belief that the Corporatists figured it out well before the rest of the populace. I don't support that by any stretch.


She used FR; she wasn't replying to Yachtie. "Poor" is the term used in the OP.


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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 6:40:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Winterapple
FR
Yes, only the poor vote in a self serving way.
Only the poor are to ignorant to vote.
They lack lack the keen grasp of the issues
that the still undecided on election day crowd has.
What an asshole.

I find it interesting that you have defined "populace" from Yachtie's post as "the poor." Could that be a bit of an illuminating gaffe?
And, yes, when the populace figures it out, the Republic is doomed. And, it is my belief that the Corporatists figured it out well before the rest of the populace. I don't support that by any stretch.

She used FR; she wasn't replying to Yachtie. "Poor" is the term used in the OP.


Her post was showing "(in reply to Yachtie) on the lower right corner. And, since I don't know who or what FR is....

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 7:07:00 PM   
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Her post was showing "(in reply to Yachtie) on the lower right corner. And, since I don't know who or what FR is....

FR = Fast Reply. It means that one has used the blank box at the bottom of the page and is making a general reply, rather than responding specifically to the previous poster.

ETA: Veteran posters often mark their posts with "FR," but we don't always remember. After a while, one gets a pretty good sense of whether a post is an FR, even if unmarked. In an effort to avoid confusion, I usually quote a bit of any post to which I reply individually.

Ah, the quirky joys of the Collarme interface!

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 7:14:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Her post was showing "(in reply to Yachtie) on the lower right corner. And, since I don't know who or what FR is....

FR = Fast Reply. It means that one has used the blank box at the bottom of the page and is making a general reply, rather than responding specifically to the previous poster.


It can also mean that, even when clicking reply to a particular post, the comments offered are of a general tone.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/7/2012 7:23:40 PM   
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It can also mean that, even when clicking reply to a particular post, the comments offered are of a general tone.

I never thought of that! But it works too.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/8/2012 4:28:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
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Her post was showing "(in reply to Yachtie) on the lower right corner. And, since I don't know who or what FR is....

FR = Fast Reply. It means that one has used the blank box at the bottom of the page and is making a general reply, rather than responding specifically to the previous poster.

It can also mean that, even when clicking reply to a particular post, the comments offered are of a general tone.


Thanks, dcnovice & TheHeretic. Makes more sense now.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/8/2012 4:39:13 AM   
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So you are saying that you had to have chronological order explained to you?

Damn!


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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/8/2012 4:54:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		LANSING (WWJ) – Some voters were reportedly turned away from the polls on Michigan’s primary election day for refusing to fill out the new “citizenship” box on their ballot application.

She’s criticizing the Secretary of State’s office for failing to remind clerks that voters who decline to fill out the citizenship box must still be allowed to cast a ballot.

Civil liberties groups have said the question is an attempt to discourage people from voting and that asking people to re-affirm their citizenship is redundant.


Checking or filling out a box is just so discouraging, never mind redundant. Must be aimed at the poor.



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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/8/2012 9:29:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen some weird ideas here.

Voting is a constitutional right, here and Canada and down there in the US. Whether you are voting right or wrong is a ridiculous concept that flies in the face of the voting system. Your vote is your opinion, opinions are subjective, and moral definitions don't apply.

Unless you actually cannot rationalize from a clinical/medical standpoint, your opinion is valid.

The same should be said of your income. Your ability to earn income does not reflect your rights as they are defined. It's fine to put the idea out that votes can be bought (and I'm sure some are) but to assume the crime beforehand is absolutely unconstitutional, unless you want to redefine what qualifies as criminal activity.

Wordplay aside, this is rhetoric to manipulate opinions; and isn't that the very crime the speaker claims will be carried out through the poor...? This is why I turned down politics when I was invited to become a local candidate by a few old acquaintances. The games get in the way of real work.


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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/8/2012 9:49:00 AM   
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Completely off topic......
So you are saying that you had to have chronological order explained to you?
Damn!



Um, huh? Yachtie posted. The very next post listed it as being in response to Yachtie. The post was started by "FR," and, not knowing what that meant, I took the post as a response to Yachtie.

How, LadyPact, that is a chronological mis-step, I'm not sure. Please do enlighten us on that.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/8/2012 9:50:49 AM   
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Wordplay aside, this is rhetoric to manipulate opinions; and isn't that the very crime the speaker claims will be carried out through the poor...? This is why I turned down politics when I was invited to become a local candidate by a few old acquaintances. The games get in the way of real work.


That very belief is why more people that hold it should run.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/8/2012 10:07:24 AM   
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Having been an activist and assisted in voter registration at activist events, I will say we were rather careful to explicitly state that people of ANY political persuasion were invited to vote, that we supported, most of all, the democratic process in the US, and when we were approached about voter registration, we took off our activist hats for a moment and simply did what the county registrar asked of us. I can't speak for other activists who registered voters, just us.

When I myself registered to vote it was at a table in front of a grocery store set up by some activist or party of some sort. Can't even recall whom, because it was not important. Though we now have Motor-Voter in California which makes it easier to register, through most of my life, it was ONLY by seeing an activist in the field that one could easily register to vote, unless one wanted to look up, in a phone book, the Registrar's number, call, wait on hold, ask for a form to be mailed, mail it back, or go down in person. Not saying that made it impossible but certainly a lot less likely to encourage voting by people of limited means.

So can the poor figure out how to register? Yeah, probably. But I wasn't even poor in those days and it would have been hard for me with the transportation and time I had available as a car-less full-time student and part-time worker. Ever more difficult if English was not my first language, I'd had a lifetime of underfunded schools so my reading skills were worse and had no civics curriculum, had no access to timely transportation AND had people actively discouraging me from voting. You stack the cards against someone, eventually they will fold. We forget the many conveniences prosperity affords us, and how with none of those conveniences, seemingly normal, simple things are made nearly impossible.

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RE: Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American - 8/8/2012 2:15:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		The poor, like the middle and rich classes, do not vote as one single block. Not every person registered 'Democrat' or 'Republican', votes straight 'Democrats' or 'Republican' (respectively). Nor does every white person vote for the white canidates. The reason one votes has more to do with their upbringing, educational level, maturity level, future outlook on the local/state/country, and their own economic and health levels. The poor seem to vote largely in favor of Democrats, because Democratic ideals seem to mostly be trying to help them out of their economic situation. Compare that with Republicans whom are trying to actively undermine the voting system. And you have a pretty clear idea of the motivating factor to vote for Democrats and not Republicans.

Which is why Republicans have been pushing voter ID laws in several states. The poor generally dont have a safe place to keep their legal documents (some shelters will help). So if they dont have their ID card, they cant vote. Even though the technology is such that the voting booths could have an internet connection that would draw up a photograph of the person in question if such an ID was lost. Republicans are against that idea flatty because it would aid the poor in voting Democrat.

But voting by itself is the duty of all American citizens. Both home and abroad. To bad we didnt have some mechanism to know who didnt vote in the last election, right? Would allow us to ignore them....

PS: I've voted in every election (local, state, federal) since becoming legal age. I enjoy voting.

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