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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 12:18:14 PM   
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For what it's worth, I think I'm one of the few folks on the boards who have specifically said "pull the trigger" to My s type. Not in the immediate sense, but certain professions and/or situations warrant that when you know what the potentials are. If Carol was a cop in NYC, for example, I'm pretty sure you would tell her to do the same when confronted with some scenarios.

*nods* Our situation was both theoretical and different. Ours was the suicide command (which spawned from the "strip in the restaurant" thread). That's why it's so easy. Carol would not believe I wanted her dead if you showed her a signed affidavit and twenty witnesses corroborating a video tape confession. It's the stuff where actual harm is actually possible that gets trickier for us.

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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 1:43:01 PM   
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Littlewonder, I was surprised to see that for you (for anyone) so much devotion happened so quickly. Have you been so certain of other things in your life?


Yes. I trust my gut. It's rarely led me wrong. I also have a lot of experiences in this life that many have not had due to the life I have led so because of that I find it quite easy to read most people and situations.



I admire that. I rarely trust my gut and shoot from the hip. I always run the numbers. Everyone so far has said something like "why an exit strategy?" To me, it feels natural to check my six, watch hands and eyes, and always know how to get out. I also read people, and trust them a great deal. I gather you have loved another more than you love yourself at some point in your life. I never have. That might be the difference between your ability to dive off the cliff and my need to check that the rocks are solid on my climbing descent.

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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 5:27:35 PM   
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It has nothing to do with loving him more than myself. He's simply never given any reason to cut and run. I trust him implicitly with my life. If I didn't then I would have never chosen to be his slave. And I don't understand why you need an exit plan just because it's bdsm. If I wanted to leave it's no different than any relationship on the planet. You simply open the door and walk through it. It's not like he has me chained up in the basement. <ooohhh...I'm gonna regret those words. >

ETA: and besides, why would you go into a relationship already looking for a way out? That kinda makes it true that the relationship will end before it's even begun. You're sabotaging you and your relationship.

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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 5:45:36 PM   
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ETA: and besides, why would you go into a relationship already looking for a way out? That kinda makes it true that the relationship will end before it's even begun. You're sabotaging you and your relationship.


I keep exit strategies for jobs, lovers, friends, everything. You're absolutely right that it limits me. I wish I didn't. But its my defense mechanism for getting hurt.

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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 6:45:45 PM   
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I keep exit strategies for jobs, lovers, friends, everything. You're absolutely right that it limits me. I wish I didn't. But its my defense mechanism for getting hurt.

As you say, it limits you. That being said, it isn't my place to be telling you how to run your relationships. But for me, the "defense mechanism for getting hurt" is simply to "get hurt". For me, relationships are a go large or go home sort of thing. I just couldn't have anything that I actually wanted in a relationship sense and play the game so cagey at the same time.


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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 7:12:36 PM   
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I've managed to balance allowing myself to deeply love and deeply serve, but I never go too long, more than a week or month, without the little thought of "they could throw me out. Best be prepared." I'm sure it holds me back, but I don't feel that way. Time successfully with someone makes it better, but it's still there. Like the thought that you could die any time you get into a car. You're reminded more frequently with novice or terrible drivers. But even with the most experienced hands behind the wheel, its a fleeting possibility. One would be foolish to let that fear ruin one's life. One would be fool-hearty to completely strike it as a possibility.

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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 7:46:04 PM   
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I would think it would make for a very stressful life always having on your mind that you may die every single time you got into a care or you might end up "kicked out" of a relationship. I think it would make for a very unhappy life. Why not just let it go and enjoy the ride?


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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 8:42:30 PM   
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I suppose one stops worrying about it. It's just a fact of life. When you take on a new lover, do you worry about STI's? I do.. But sometimes chances are taken (even with safer sex practices).

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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 8:53:14 PM   
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I worry about STI's once...when we decide to be a couple and have sex and both be tested. After that I never do again.


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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/9/2012 9:11:08 PM   
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I'm not saying I worry with OCD concerns. But If I sleep with someone new, I get tested 3 months after. My point is, even though I've hijacked my own thread, I live by objectively recognizing risks, and trying to minimize them so that I don't have to worry. I don't feel like its a weakness or that it holds me back. I've sold myself the idea that it is intellectually honest to acknowledge the risk of car crashes, contracting disease, and having one's heart broken. Any of those can be a life shattering event if there isn't a plan in place.

I know what I'd do if I got into a car accident. I know what I'd do if I contracted certain STI's. I know what I'd do if someone tries to break my heart. And in the end I feel resilient because of it. I AM IRON MAN.

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RE: TPE: How rare is it? - 8/10/2012 2:45:52 AM   
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<> Allowing oneself to be pulled away from existing friends and family.
He hasn't done this and would not socially isolate me. He wants me to be a healthy and well-rounded individual, so my family and friend relationships are important to him. If he had reason to believe that one of those people was harmful to me, he would forbid interaction, but barring that he enjoys and encourages me to be close with friends and family.

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<> All property is legally transferred to another.
Everything that is mine is his, by transitive property. However, legally speaking this has not happened as we're not married yet.

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<> Every activity is chosen or approved by another.
I do not engage in activities that I know he doesn't or wouldn't approve of, but at the same time I'm not expected to get permission for everything I do. He has the right to decide what I can and cannot do, how and when, but he's not interested in micromanaging my every move and so he trusts my judgment to make choices he approves of.

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<> All finances are handled by another (admittedly common, even in vanilla marriages).
He decides how the money gets spent, but it's my job to keep the documentation and records of all of it, and we discuss finances together and I give him advice (which he is appreciative of because honestly on his own he is terrible at managing his money.)

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<> Wardrobe chosen by another.
I don't own any clothes he doesn't find acceptable. While he has the right to do so, he doesn't normally dictate what exactly he wants me to wear for a specific day/event. I dress in ways I know he will like and approve of.

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<> Permanently marked or tattooed by another. (Less symbols, more names)
No tattoos currently, and he's not planning on putting his name on me, but we are planning on having matching tattoos of a certain symbol that means something to us.

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<> Unconditional submission. (If one said "pull the trigger" the other would, no questions asked or hesitation)
He doesn't want or expect blind obedience or obedience without question. He expects me to use my head and he wants to hear it if I have objections or questions or additional info that he may use at his discretion.

Of course, after hearing my input, the decision is still his to make. He owns me and thus has the right to do anything to me or give any order (and I'm expected to follow) that will not harm or damage me.

I am not expected to obey an order that common sense dictates would be obviously harmful/damaging to me. I trust his judgment, so I leave what constitutes that up to his discretion for all realistic scenarios, but if he told me to kill myself, I would not do it because there is no outcome there that is NOT harmful/damaging to me. If he asked me to kill him, it would depend on the circumstance but I don't think I could do that either.

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<> Moving to a new state or country, leaving behind a job.
Not at this point, though I would go with him if he decided we were leaving this place.

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<> Being legally renamed.
He chose a name for me, and it is getting legally changed to that in the near future. I will also take his last name when we marry.

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Do you worry about not having an exit strategy?
No, I don't. I trust him, and I trust my own intuition and judgment. Worrying about an "exit strategy" would be dooming the relationship from the start. If I get hurt, I get hurt. I trust myself and I trust him that I won't.

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How long did it take to build up to this level of devotion?
I can't give a definite amount of time that it took. The building of devotion and trust was gradual, and it continues to deepen and intensify with every day that goes by.

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