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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/10/2012 4:26:18 PM   
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Maybe on your side of the pond buddy, but our Dominant Ladies wear flowered bloomers and ribbons in their hair and cry things like BRING IT! :P


They do, I'll admit. I know of some splendid examples who do just that.

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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/10/2012 4:46:24 PM   
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Maybe on your side of the pond buddy, but our Dominant Ladies wear flowered bloomers and ribbons in their hair and cry things like BRING IT! :P


HELL YEAH WE DO!

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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/10/2012 7:19:03 PM   
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Do people here think that professional sessions "corrupt" subs by letting them behave in ways that they couldn't if the Domme didn't have a financial incentive to keep the "relationship" going? Or is it just that the pro scene attracts this kind of sub?



The Pro scene doesn't "corrupt" a sub, any more than being a Pro "corrupts" a Domme. But being a client of a Pro, or a Pro with a client, does not mean D/s either.

The point is that a D/s relationship (or interaction) is based on: i do what You want (read sub), because it pleases You (read Domme)...

The Pro relationship (or interaction) is quite different ... it says: i do what You want (read Domme) .... because you give me money (read sub) ...

Honestly it is the complete converse of a D/s relationship (or interaction).

That is not to say real Domme's are not Pro's and real subs are not clients ... just that this is not the most common expression of D/s.






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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/10/2012 7:21:03 PM   
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Maybe on your side of the pond buddy, but our Dominant Ladies wear flowered bloomers and ribbons in their hair and cry things like BRING IT! :P


HELL YEAH WE DO!



Err ... like what place is this again ????


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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/11/2012 1:34:30 AM   
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I'm with Lady P: it's a big ole' red flag.
I don't tolerate topping from the bottom, do-me or switchy behaviour, or basement-wankers' ideas of what dommes do. So if a guy engages in prostitution [illegal here] and buys his kicks, expects to be able to direct wardrobe let alone sex, and has a non-mutual fetish to feed : that's three whole strikes right there.


I thought I made it clear in my original post that I'm not interested in topping from the bottom or directing anything. Plus I'm definitely NOT a switch. Even if these opportunities are available to me (which I know from my work experience that they might be), I don't care. I won't take them.

And I hardly think that my idea of what Dommes do could be described as "basement-wanker". I worked in an SM parlor and everyone there knew every detail of what everyone else did with clients. And if you don't think pros are real Dommes (even though a lot were also lifestylers), then I've also played publicly in three states.

Prostitution? Where did I say that I was going to be doing that? The only "extra" that I would be looking for would be strap-on. I have absolutely nothing against escorts, and really wouldn't care what a Pro Domme does with other clients, but I would not even take a handjob from one.

And if you say that even what I want to do is technically and legally prostitution, then I really don't care what the law thinks. It has such an appalling track record of narrow-mindedness and bigotry against sexual minorities that there is no point in using it as some kind of moral compass to decide what sexual activities are right and what are not. Should homosexuals in countries like Jamaica (or 14 US states before 2003) stay celibate their entire lives in order to "obey the law"?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The main thing I'd be concerned about, JDee, is that a pro-Domme might be used to being a servant rather than a domme. That is, she might have become too used to providing a service to clients rather than dominating them. But I haven't met enough ex pro dommes to know if that's a realistic concern.



Yes, that's part of what I'm worried about, that she might feel at a loss for what to do if I don't treat her like a servant. Which is why I would utilize my lifestyle connections to get as much info as I could on any Pro Domme I was planning on seeing.


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

However, I'm coming to the belief that if an ex pro domme has retained her original prickliness and bad temper, she probably still knows how to dominate despite her pro experience in the past. Prickliness and bad temper are, of course, the hallmarks of any true female dominant.


I have to totally disagree here though. I've met a lot of Dommes, both pro and nonpro, who are very even tempered and not prickly at all. I try to avoid people with these traits, especially as someone to submit to. I wouldn't let anyone control me if they can't control themselves. To me, prickliness and bad temper are the hallmarks of immaturity.

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

The point is that a D/s relationship (or interaction) is based on: i do what You want (read sub), because it pleases You (read Domme)...

The Pro relationship (or interaction) is quite different ... it says: i do what You want (read Domme) .... because you give me money (read sub) ...


What about? We (the sub and the Domme) do what we want because it pleases us.

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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/11/2012 2:49:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

However, I'm coming to the belief that if an ex pro domme has retained her original prickliness and bad temper, she probably still knows how to dominate despite her pro experience in the past. Prickliness and bad temper are, of course, the hallmarks of any true female dominant.


I have to totally disagree here though. I've met a lot of Dommes, both pro and nonpro, who are very even tempered and not prickly at all.


Chivalry is a rare and much prized quality these days, JDee. You will go far!




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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/11/2012 6:01:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JDee

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

The point is that a D/s relationship (or interaction) is based on: i do what You want (read sub), because it pleases You (read Domme)...

The Pro relationship (or interaction) is quite different ... it says: i do what You want (read Domme) .... because you give me money (read sub) ...


What about? We (the sub and the Domme) do what we want because it pleases us.


Your right! These can exist. Just in my experience, they are not as common.

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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/11/2012 8:27:05 AM   
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I kind of did that. Went for the first time to see if my desires were genuine. After that I went a few more times until I could talk confidently about my desires (I was ultra-shy in the beginning). Then I started getting involved in the lifestyle scene and have been for years. Now things have come full circle: I've just broken up with my girlfriend / lifestyle Domme (fairly amicably but even if you stay best friends a breakup is a breakup) and am suffering from relationship burn-out.
And that, exactly right there is the mindset which makes Me say that it is a negative. Relationship burn out, a relationship being too much trouble, not willing to invest in making friends, or any of these types of attitudes are exactly why I find it to be a negative. It tells Me that you are the type of person who is going to go for the easy way out, rather than invest in what you want. People don't like the comparison, but it really is just like wanting the sex, but not being willing to court or date a girlfriend.

You want the jollies and want to take the easiest method to getting them. It's not about collecting data anymore to be sure this is the kind of life that you want before involving another person on a relationship level. You did that. This is more lack of ambition or willingness to make the effort.



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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/11/2012 9:04:03 AM   
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Which is simply complete and utter BS, it's an ignorant idea what prodommes do and tolerate.

Sorry, but that isn't universally true. You have to remember that you are speaking from a place where the trade is regulated, at least to some extent. That's not the case on this side of the pond. There isn't any rule that says what clients will or will not do that is governed over here. That's also why a pro in this country may or may not involve orgasms for the male. They do have the risk of being busted, but nobody is really looking over anyone's shoulder to see if there is any physical sex or not.


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Apart from that, there are tons of life-style "relationships" that aren't relationships, money might not change hands but the guy buys her this or that, does her tax, does her garden in exchange for the domination - doesn't really mean it's a real relationship.
This part goes a little too far. You are not in the position to say that people in such arrangements have no affection for one another and are only trading services. In what you describe above, people in such situation tend to be friends, at least, which I see as more than client/professional.


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Personally I am staying away from the life-stylers in my area, because it's really more like a swinger club with kink, the same people who fuck around without much protection and pretty much like a bunch of rabbits look down on pros and also see fit to call them prostitutes. Sorry, but almost every pro domme I've ever met has more morals and handles her personal sex life with more responsibility.

There are some groups like that over here, too. It really just depends on where you are and if the swinger community has any cross over or influence from when the kink group was starting up. Fortunately, (for Me, anyway) in the four places that I've lived across the country where I've been active in BDSM, these aren't the types of groups that have been closest to home.


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Apart from that, Otter's post is really spot on. A guy who has certain desires and checks them out in a professional environment under safe conditions before he makes an informed choice - I prefer that 100% to the guys who sneak behind their wives' backs or how come here and expect to get their rocks off, just because they joined a kink site.

Otters post is spot on in regards to that particular pro. It's not particularly difficult to figure out who he is talking about. We do have a number of exceptionally well regarded pros in this country. There are several who are involved with the leather community that are held in the same high esteem.

Again, you have to remember that there is a scale. Not all of them are that good or have the same policies. You're used to thinking of pros as well trained in a regulated business. Here, anybody can be a pro, whether they are skilled or not, engage in sexual activities or not, and the opposite of Otter's example are anybody who can manage to make a buck and label it BDSM.


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Seriously, if I was single, 10 years younger and in his area, I'd definitely would want to meet him! He sounds like a catch!
I wouldn't especially think that anyone who had a favorable experience as a pro would find a person being a client as a negative. I found it one for the reason that I explained in one of My replies to the OP. I don't find it admirable to have the attitude of opening the wallet to get what someone wants. That's not a catch to Me. It's actually a lot closer to a character flaw.



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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/11/2012 2:37:59 PM   
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@OP-

actually i would say from having experienced pro-dommes when i was your age (20s), i think they have a number of positives for you until you find another personal D/s or bdsm relationship:

1. you can burn your sub energy off which will put you in a better mindset for developing your next genuine relationship instead of just searching for a fix from the set of Dommes at your next munch.

2. pro-Dommes are great for learning and expanding your own limits and fun in bdsm activities even if its not a genuine D/s relationship which is all good to share with your next personal partner.

3. if you are genuinely sub, which you sound like, then even in a pro-session a good PD will pick up on that enabling the scene to move along the line to being real and serious D/s if just for that scene so....that's all good as you don't want to top from the bottom and most PDs don't want you to either.

good luck and have fun and enjoy all the varieties of bdsm out there!

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RE: Lifestyle subs who have seen Pro Dommes: + or -? - 8/11/2012 2:40:55 PM   
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btw re my prior post, i have had a number of lifestyle D/s relationships since learning much from PDs early in life, and am currently involved in one so such visits will not relegate you to lifestyle Domme limbo for your life!.....no matter what one or two are hinting at here....just keep the differences in perspective which it sounds like you have.

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