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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 2:19:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		the overage in meets will likely go to natives as government commodities first, in accordance with treaties.  Or like letting go of the oil reserves, it could be timed to bring a small temporary drop to meat prices at the groceries, note that he is not buying beef, the droughts have taken care of that issue, now the issue is that feeding these bitches out on $7.20 bushel corn you wouldn't do even if the corn fed girl had 44JJs (well that may be slightly hyperbolic, I might do that.) 

Guy with 5000 feeder pigs a week is a medium small pig farmer down this way, and figure weaners at 20 bucks and it cost 26 bucks to feed them out and you get up one cold snowfuckingbank morning   and begin the two 5 gallon buckets of feed carry that will go on for trip after trip, and you are gonna flip the lights on in the pig barn and say, guess what you boys are having for breakfast this mornin?  HAM!!!!!

And then pork goes up.  Same thing with chickens, and your thanksgiving turkeys and your ducks and sheep and goats and.........  

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 2:28:39 PM   
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News Flash - Corn doesnt need a subsidy, theres a drought on

And the United States (and Canada) has enough fossil fuel reserves that it doesnt need to starve the poor then shove them off a cliff in order to fuel our struggling economy either






So let's use it all now and not think about the future... You remind of the "Drill Baby, Drill" idiots, who are too stupid to realize that this would only deplete the national resources, additionally it takes a while to develop a well, so even if the drilling would start like all the numb skulls want, you know which difference it would make in the petrol price? Hardly any, because petrol depends on supply and demand, you know capitalism... Guess what, China, India and Pakistan are new in the game, they want/need more oil, greater demand that drives up the prices, you produce more, they buy more, simple, unless you restrict your oil companies from selling to them, but hey, that would be big government and not in tune with capitalism, so you don't really want that, right?

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 2:36:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting that farmers have and use federal crop insurance which is coming in real handy right now.......but try to insure a human and the loonie-right howls......

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 2:43:09 PM   
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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 3:14:20 PM   
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Leftists have been blocking new wells and entire new oil, coal, and shale fields for generations

We would have been reaping the many benefits associated with access to cheap abundant energy a long time ago

As an added benefit the worlds poor could eat corn this coming fall (as well as beef) if it werent for the likes of Barack Obama

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So let's use it all now and not think about the future... You remind of the "Drill Baby, Drill" idiots, who are too stupid to realize that this would only deplete the national resources, additionally it takes a while to develop a well, so even if the drilling would start like all the numb skulls want, you know which difference it would make in the petrol price? Hardly any, because petrol depends on supply and demand, you know capitalism... Guess what, China, India and Pakistan are new in the game, they want/need more oil, greater demand that drives up the prices, you produce more, they buy more, simple, unless you restrict your oil companies from selling to them, but hey, that would be big government and not in tune with capitalism, so you don't really want that, right?



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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 3:18:46 PM   
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Thats a deceitful straw man argument mark, you should be deeply ashamed of yourself

No one is calling for an end to agricultural aid, but a temporary moratorium on the presidents mandating that food be used for fuel in a time of shortage due to severe drought is a common sense measure that I am sure even Iowans could understand, and get on board with

How is this even a partisan issue


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Wonder who came up with the Ethanol mandate and signed it in 2005?....just asking....

Subsidies on agriculture started in 1929, the largest beneficiaries are Iowa, Texas and Kansas....not so sure they are going anywhere no matter the party of the President.

Let's see Romney claim he will end them!....LOL....



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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 3:27:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is actually already being discussed at the White House Tom, I am shocked you didn't know that.

Ethanol will simply become to expensive to use in fuel with the drought in the midwest, states can also individually roll back the requirement

that there be some percentage of ethanol in the fuel used within their state.

It truly isn't a straw man Tom, it is me reminding some of when the legislation came about and why.

As for subsidies, no one will fuck with the Ag lobby and both sides know that, I threw the Romney thing in for FUN

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 3:36:08 PM   
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Try again mark

From far left NBC:

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President Barack Obama announced emergency measures Monday to ease the impact of the worst drought in half a century, but stopped short of waiving the government’s requirement that a large portion of the now-shriveled corn crop be diverted to make ethanol...

...On Friday, the government confirmed what cattle ranchers, pork farmers and poultry producers have feared as this summer’s deepening drought has destroyed much of this year's corn crop....

...As the lowest yields in nearly two decades squeeze feed supplies, livestock producers are asking the government to waive a five-year-old requirement that gasoline sold in the U.S. contain roughly 9 percent ethanol. Because most ethanol in the U.S. is made from corn, roughly 40 percent of the corn crop, in a good year, is purchased by the biofuel industry.

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13260895-white-house-offers-drought-relief-feels-heat-to-waive-ethanol-mandate



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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 3:55:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The president doesnt mandate that, the laws of the US does.  Rather than foolish prose, how about you show us the law and we will see under what conditions (and even if) the president can singlehandedly waive that.  

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 3:58:58 PM   
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Whats this, you have no faith in your own far left networks either?

Chant three hail obamas and your heresy might be forgiven

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The president doesnt mandate that, the laws of the US does.  Rather than foolish prose, how about you show us the law and we will see under what conditions (and even if) the president can singlehandedly waive that.  




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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 4:01:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congress is getting hammered for failing to take action on a farm bill before leaving Washington for a five-week recess. At stake is the reauthorization of a five-year, $500 billion bill that has become stuck in election-year politics.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-paul-ryan-farm-bill-iowa-drought-2012-8#ixzz23ets7eSy

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 4:10:28 PM   
mnottertail


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Whats this, you have no faith in your own far left networks either?

Chant three hail obamas and your heresy might be forgiven

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The president doesnt mandate that, the laws of the US does.  Rather than foolish prose, how about you show us the law and we will see under what conditions (and even if) the president can singlehandedly waive that.  





I dont have faith in anything you post, including links.

I want to see the law.  I do not wish to be an untutored engorger of shoddy yellow journalism as is the want of so many rightists.

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 4:12:03 PM   
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News Flash - Corn doesnt need a subsidy, theres a drought on

And the United States (and Canada) has enough fossil fuel reserves that it doesnt need to starve the poor then shove them off a cliff in order to fuel our struggling economy either


I guarantee that there are poor people shaking in their boost cause you and Rob want some perverse "hug the poor" moment after you've spent almost every other moment of your lives calling them liars and thieves.

THERE IS NOTHING FUNNIER that post-Ryan-pick republican terror.



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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 4:19:34 PM   
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Congress is getting hammered for failing to take action on a farm bill before leaving Washington for a five-week recess. At stake is the reauthorization of a five-year, $500 billion bill that has become stuck in election-year politics.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-paul-ryan-farm-bill-iowa-drought-2012-8#ixzz23ets7eSy


I think it's PATHETIC how the Republican house fights off floor discussion WEEKLY (as seen on CSPAN) just to create a dust bowl Romney can do some feeble "grapes of wrath"tableau ... Well a tableau with a ranting idiot and an antichrist thrown in.

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 4:24:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		And let us remember that all the 'leftists' told all the 'rightists' what a stupid fucking bill that ethanol FROM CORN  mandate was for reasons like this. 


So they are once again for it before they are against it. 

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 4:40:24 PM   
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I'm always touched by how the use of corn for ethanol draws forth from our right-wing brethren a not previously conspicuous concern for the poor.

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 4:44:14 PM   
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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 5:38:00 PM   
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Its just that our concern is genuine, hence no need to wear it on our sleeves the way so many on the left do

And then turn their back the moment it becomes inconvenient for the fashionable green cause of the day

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I'm always touched by how the use of corn for ethanol draws forth from our right-wing brethren a not previously conspicuous concern for the poor.









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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 6:11:40 PM   
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I'm always touched by how the use of corn for ethanol draws forth from our right-wing brethren a not previously conspicuous concern for the poor.


Thats rather simple, hon.... it affects them more.

More for their toys... their restaurants... their portfolios.

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RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy ... - 8/15/2012 6:19:40 PM   
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Romney would have to arrest the house of representatives and have them shot to do it.


If he promises to do that, I'll vote for him.

And if he actually does it, I'll convert to Mormonism!

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