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subrob1967 -> President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 11:08:53 AM)

Fuck the poor people, let them eat cake... We need to save Midwest Farmers who grow the corn to make Ethanol.

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Campaigning in Missouri Valley, Iowa, yesterday, President Obama announced yet another government spending program -- this time designed to inflate meat prices in Midwest swing states. "Today the Department of Agriculture announced that it will buy up to $100 million worth of pork products, $50 million worth of chicken, and $20 million worth of lamb and farm-raised catfish," Obama explained to reporters in front of a drought-stricken cornfield.

"Prices are low, farmers and ranchers need help, so it makes sense," Obama explained. "It makes sense for farmers who get to sell more of their product, and it makes sense for taxpayers who will save money because we're getting food we would have bought anyway at a better price."

None of this makes sense. In fact, Obama's move only harms American consumers while protecting a corrupt federal program.

A drought is currently driving down corn production. The shortage of feed is forcing livestock producers to slaughter animals early, putting downward pressure on meat prices in the short run and guaranteeing shortages and higher prices next year. But nature is not the biggest factor in this crisis -- the government is. Specifically, the federal government's ethanol mandate, which requires that 13.2 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol be produced in 2012.

Thanks to the ethanol mandate, more than 40 percent of the nation's corn crop now goes into the production of a useless fuel that hardly anyone would buy if the government didn't require it. That's up from just 17 percent in 2005, before the mandate went into effect. Only 36 percent of the corn crop now goes for feed, and 24 percent goes for food.


Don't ya love a President who's for the little guy?



Musicmystery -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 11:11:52 AM)

If you think Republicans are going to support a reduction in the corn subsidy, you're amazingly out of touch.



Sanity -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:02:26 PM)


News Flash - Corn doesnt need a subsidy, theres a drought on

And the United States (and Canada) has enough fossil fuel reserves that it doesnt need to starve the poor then shove them off a cliff in order to fuel our struggling economy either


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you think Republicans are going to support a reduction in the corn subsidy, you're amazingly out of touch.




tazzygirl -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:07:16 PM)

When Anschutz started the Examiner in its current format, he envisioned creating a conservative competitor to The Washington Post. According to Politico, "When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he 'wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,' said one former employee." The Examiner's conservative writers include Byron York (National Review), Michael Barone (American Enterprise Institute, Fox News), and David Freddoso (National Review, author of The Case Against Barack Obama).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Examiner#Political_views



Sanity -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:14:42 PM)


Why dont you start a thread raging about how much the left hates a free press, because the news is factual. That it would never get out without the Internet and the new media is another point entirely



joether -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:15:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
News Flash - Corn doesnt need a subsidy, theres a drought on

And the United States (and Canada) has enough fossil fuel reserves that it doesnt need to starve the poor then shove them off a cliff in order to fuel our struggling economy either
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
If you think Republicans are going to support a reduction in the corn subsidy, you're amazingly out of touch.



Yes 'Long Term Planning' seems to be a typical concept most conservatives know nothing about. In fact, most conservatives defination of 'long term planning' seem to be most moderates and liberal's defination of 'short term planning'. I could explain it Sanity, but your not going to understand.



tazzygirl -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:18:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why dont you start a thread raging about how much the left hates a free press, because the news is factual. That it would never get out without the Internet and the new media is another point entirely


Someone mentioned... in this thread... they didnt know about the OP source... I answered the question. If its part of the OP, its not off topic. [;)]



DaddySatyr -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:20:53 PM)

Come on, Sanity. Are you claiming that the press in this country has a liberal slant?

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joether -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:21:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Why dont you start a thread raging about how much the left hates a free press, because the news is factual. That it would never get out without the Internet and the new media is another point entirely


Speaking of definations, you should really look up the word LIBERAL. Make sure you understand the word's origin: Liberalis (hint: its Latin). You might find it comes much closer (if not directly about) the concept of 'free press'. Liberals as a rule, dont rage about the free press; they rage at the ones that make a mockery of it (i.e. FOX News).



Sanity -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:23:52 PM)


You mean "Long term centralized planning" dont you joe

You realize that this policy is literally taking food out of the mouths of the poor, dont you










Sanity -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:27:07 PM)


Rarely if ever do I refer to leftists as liberals joe [;)]

I know better

(Dont you just wish like hell that you could outlaw that awful terrible horrible FOX News, joe) [:D]

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Why dont you start a thread raging about how much the left hates a free press, because the news is factual. That it would never get out without the Internet and the new media is another point entirely


Speaking of definations, you should really look up the word LIBERAL. Make sure you understand the word's origin: Liberalis (hint: its Latin). You might find it comes much closer (if not directly about) the concept of 'free press'. Liberals as a rule, dont rage about the free press; they rage at the ones that make a mockery of it (i.e. FOX News).




Politesub53 -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:35:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You mean "Long term centralized planning" dont you joe

You realize that this policy is literally taking food out of the mouths of the poor, dont you




You must be wetting your pants at the prospect of Obama being re-elected. your oddball claims are more farcical by the day.... Stalin starvation, this from you who claims to abhor scaremongering.



Musicmystery -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:40:13 PM)

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News Flash - Corn doesnt need a subsidy, theres a drought on


I'm all for eliminating it. Tell your Republican string holders.



Sanity -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 12:47:17 PM)


Obamas centralized planning is literally putting food out of the reach of the poor, leftists defending policy such as that is more oddball than anything I could ever come up with

And its the reality that communists love centralized planning, even if it is grievously harmful to the poor. If is it scaremongering to point out this... coincidence, then I am guilty as charged

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You mean "Long term centralized planning" dont you joe

You realize that this policy is literally taking food out of the mouths of the poor, dont you




You must be wetting your pants at the prospect of Obama being re-elected. your oddball claims are more farcical by the day.... Stalin starvation, this from you who claims to abhor scaremongering.




joether -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 1:04:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Rarely if ever do I refer to leftists as liberals joe [;)]

I know better

(Dont you just wish like hell that you could outlaw that awful terrible horrible FOX News, joe) [:D]
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Why dont you start a thread raging about how much the left hates a free press, because the news is factual. That it would never get out without the Internet and the new media is another point entirely

Speaking of definations, you should really look up the word LIBERAL. Make sure you understand the word's origin: Liberalis (hint: its Latin). You might find it comes much closer (if not directly about) the concept of 'free press'. Liberals as a rule, dont rage about the free press; they rage at the ones that make a mockery of it (i.e. FOX News).



Who says I'm for outlawing FOX News? Every day its on, serves as an objective lesson on 'truth in the press'. One simply finds the facts of an issue and compares it to what FOX News states as 'fact'. Much of the time, FOX New's 'facts' are incorrect, misleading, or just out-right-lies. They do not give news stories to folks that are more likely to re-check the information given. Hence who their target markets are: conservative, stupid, easily led, sheep. An at current, that seems to be those voting Republican and Tea Party right now. Even now are those Republicans really Republican?; or Oligarchs?



mnottertail -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 1:08:06 PM)

We are not starving in the Midwest, we have a more vibrant economy than you pavement dwellers to the east or west or south, and please dont you concrete junglers tell us a damn thing about what you know or think about ag policy, cuz you don't know nothing, and you look just plain fuckin stupid.  



SilverMark -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 1:55:20 PM)

Wonder who came up with the Ethanol mandate and signed it in 2005?....just asking....

Subsidies on agriculture started in 1929, the largest beneficiaries are Iowa, Texas and Kansas....not so sure they are going anywhere no matter the party of the President.

Let's see Romney claim he will end them!....LOL....



mnottertail -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 2:06:08 PM)

Since you cannot plant grains in this country without being on a corn or wheat base, Romney would have to arrest the house of representatives and have them shot to do it.

Agricultural appropriations is like The Jungle, the house and senate is packing scraps and offal in there, away from public view, but for their consumption.



Hillwilliam -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 2:07:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Romney would have to arrest the house of representatives and have them shot to do it.


If he promises to do that, I'll vote for him.



DaddySatyr -> RE: President Obama wants to starve poor people to buy votes in the Midwest. (8/15/2012 2:08:07 PM)

I got a chuckle, here:

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Obama could eliminate the entire problem overnight and reduce carbon emissions were he to waive the ethanol mandate in a time of drought.



Is Obama a AGW denier? Is he one of those people that doesn't pray in Algore's church?

So, let's see ... by not suspending (ending would be better but whatever) the ethanol mandate, Ofailure is (in a very tacit way, of course) showing us that wasting tax payer money, buying pork, chicken, lamb, and farm raised catfish to "force" Americans (He's no stranger to that) to buy more beef because it's all that's left is more is preferential to not reducing greenhouse gas?

I can't imagine the poor being effected by this much. After all, so many have had to sell their cars because they can't find work that there's hardly a need to reduce greenhouse gas.

You could argue that the percentages will be about the same, at the end of the day.

Maybe the president intends to hand out all that food he's using our money to buy? No. You would think that would have been mentioned. But, there's those pesky poor people, again; they couldn't afford the food anyway (not at the price the government will over-pay for it to make sure it doesn't find its way into the free market).

Hmmmmm I wonder about how all the vegetarians that would choose the corn over the beef feel about Ofailure making the decision for them? I mean, isn't that the way its supposed to be? Obama, shackling us by restricting our choices and thereby our freedom?

I didn't even want to mention the pandering angle (but I'm gonna). Ethanol is not just a failure in the non-reduction of carbon emissions it's been a money boondogle, from the beginning.

What does ethanol give us? Well, it releases more nitrogen oxide. It causes more smog and it uses more fossil fuel (That's "oil" for those of you in Poughkeepsie) to produce it than it replaces.

Let's face it; ethanol is only used as an "alternative fuel source" because the major producer is what state? Iowa. How can there be any political ramifications, there?



Peace and comfort,



Michael



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