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needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 1:09:52 AM   
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I have an online relationship with dom, hoping to move to real time. I have had trouble with a previous dom because I was needy and clingy. I've had a lot of personal growth since then and in this new relationship I have worked very hard to spend time alone, with my friends, etc. Not constantly focusing on in a clingy way. I found my dom to be very receptive to it. He likes that I have my own interests, and he finds it refreshing. In the last two weeks things have been busy.and we haven't been able to sync up as normal. (We've been seeing eachother for 2 months.) We haven't spoken for a week and I didn't call SO I WONT SEEM CLINGY! :) We reconnected and had a humorous conversation about not.speaking for a while but he said I seemed aloof and nonchalant! Lol. Obviously I've gone overboard due to fears from past relationships. How do I balance needing him (all doms want to feel needed) and ensuring I don't cling to him?

I'm on my phone so apologies for errors...athena
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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 4:25:23 AM   
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This is a bit tricky, because he's supposed to be the one driving the relationship and making the rules, but...

Suggest a weekly meeting with him, in which the two of you discuss how things are going, and possible changes to improve things. The one you specifically would like from him right now is to clarify how often the two of you contact each other. (Contact could be in person, phone, text, email, etc.) You clearly need contact more than once a week, and he clearly seems to as well.

IMO you're too focused on not repeating past mistakes and not enough on making sure both your needs are met. In other words, avoiding the negative instead of achieving the positive.

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 5:18:09 AM   
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There's nothing wrong with saying 'In the past I've been seen as needy and so I've tried to grow and work on that. Now I'm a bit unsure as to what is the right amount of contact, especially since this is a new relationship. Can you tell me what you have in mind? I think I would like to speak to you daily/spend two nights a week together/just check in by text every now and then/whatever for the time being, how does that fit with what you would like?'

Any newish relationship has a bit of awkwardness at the beginning with this kind of thing, so I wouldn't say this is a D/s problem. You could chose to solve it in a D/s way though, by setting a rule about regular contact.

Although I did wonder - if he thought you seemed aloof for not calling him for a week, why didn't he call you? Phones work both ways. Didn't he think he was also being aloof? Talking about this will be much easier than both playing the guessing game.

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 5:31:53 AM   
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There's nothing wrong with saying 'In the past I've been seen as needy and so I've tried to grow and work on that. Now I'm a bit unsure as to what is the right amount of contact, especially since this is a new relationship. Can you tell me what you have in mind? I think I would like to speak to you daily/spend two nights a week together/just check in by text every now and then/whatever for the time being, how does that fit with what you would like?'

Any newish relationship has a bit of awkwardness at the beginning with this kind of thing, so I wouldn't say this is a D/s problem. You could chose to solve it in a D/s way though, by setting a rule about regular contact.

Although I did wonder - if he thought you seemed aloof for not calling him for a week, why didn't he call you? Phones work both ways. Didn't he think he was also being aloof? Talking about this will be much easier than both playing the guessing game.



This, absolutely. With longtime friends, I know that I might not hear from them for a bit, or know that if a day or two goes by without contact, I should shake the tree. If someone new didn't call me for a week, I would be pretty confident he just wasn't that into me!

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 5:41:00 AM   
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My real opinion?

If it's online only, you don't have a relationship, you have a joined fantasy. When and if you meet and physically interact, then it may become one, but right now it's all pixie dust, unicorns, rainbows and illusions.

Hey, you asked....

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 5:59:46 AM   
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My real opinion?

If it's online only, you don't have a relationship, you have a joined fantasy. When and if you meet and physically interact, then it may become one, but right now it's all pixie dust, unicorns, rainbows and illusions.

Hey, you asked....


Ditto.... Of course... These things can grow into a reality that are strong and thriving. When you become committed to enjoying each others time face to face. Even if it's only alittle time every few months at first.

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 6:00:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

My real opinion?

If it's online only, you don't have a relationship, you have a joined fantasy. When and if you meet and physically interact, then it may become one, but right now it's all pixie dust, unicorns, rainbows and illusions.

Hey, you asked....



Didn't it take you and lw a couple of years to meet? Would you say you didn't have a relationship before then?

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 6:16:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

My real opinion?

If it's online only, you don't have a relationship, you have a joined fantasy. When and if you meet and physically interact, then it may become one, but right now it's all pixie dust, unicorns, rainbows and illusions.

Hey, you asked....



Didn't it take you and lw a couple of years to meet? Would you say you didn't have a relationship before then?


I can't speak for Kana... But I do know it was Almost six months before Kyra and I meet. She didn't become mine until we met... And until then well... Not sure what it was... But sure didn't think it was going to last to be anything... Boy was I wrong!

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 6:28:38 AM   
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It's a bit of a bug a boo for me since a lot of my relationships are online - even with my family! I think there is a lot of BS in online relationships (I've seen it!), but I think there can be an actual relationship despite that.

Anyway, next time I'm on that side of the world, I'm hoping to meet you and yours.

Best,
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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 6:44:44 AM   
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I'm with Sunny, lots of my relationships carry on without being in the same physical space. They're still "real".

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 7:24:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

My real opinion?

If it's online only, you don't have a relationship, you have a joined fantasy. When and if you meet and physically interact, then it may become one, but right now it's all pixie dust, unicorns, rainbows and illusions.

Hey, you asked....



Didn't it take you and lw a couple of years to meet? Would you say you didn't have a relationship before then?


We bounced occasional e-mails at late night for almost two years. At first it was just two insomniacs talking (She had a picture of herself in a tight black dress that kept me coming back), mostly quick oneliners back n forth. Then things kinda progressed, but it took some time. Neither of us was into the idea of a LDR, so that kept us both back...plus she thought(Correctly) that I was just some lunatic and she's known enough whacky doms over the years, but I amused her at late nite when no one else was around and she was a fun net chew toy who I enjoyed fucking with(and did I mention that dress?)

But no real intent. No seriousness. When I finally talked her into actually meeting, her full belief was that she would walk out before the coffee got cold (Cuz that's what always happened) and then just enjoy a quiet weekend vacation alone in a nice city.
Instead I was, tragically for her, exactly what I advertised myself as, just like I act on here, and she was knee deep in feelings, pussy juice and trouble before we got through the door.
*Cheers*

But to answer your question, "Hell No, we didn't have a relationship."

How could we? We didn't know each other at all. We were strangers bumping into each other. That's all. I didn't know how she reacted to things, what made her tick, what freaked her out, how to read her body language, what made her grin,what she found icky, all the teeny tiny little things that make a relationship blossom and grow.

Oooh, we knew what each of us had represented ourselves as, but how the hell did we have to know whether any of it was true?

Look, Kana's rule's for the net are simple-everyone's fake until I've laid eyes on em, and even then, I'm gonna watch em close for a few months until I'm sure.
It sucks that things have to be that way, when I was new here all those many years ago, I actually tried believing in them once, but ya know what? It just doesn't work that way.
There are so many folk who are fakes, frauds, outright misrepresentations, HNG's, wankers, wannabes, shit talkers and delusional people that I don't believe any of it.

And the lilone thinks pretty much the same. Always has. In fact, she lost any delusions she may have had re the net ages before I did.I'm a relative latecomer to computers. She's been online so long she was in BDSM webroot groups with Al Gore way back when it was only the two of em on the net.

It's nothing personal against anyone. It's just that our years on the web have left us somewhat cynical in regards to others and who they present themselves to be.

And truth be told, even after we met, we didn't yet have a relationship. But over time, as we got to know each other, as we spent days, weeks, months together, things evolved and a relationship developed. She's my best friend, my confidant, but that took lots and lots of effort and investment (Not to make it sound arduous or anything-it's always been a joy).
Relationships ain't easy. They ain't just add water. They take time, love, care, sweat, tears, pain, sorrow, sharing, giving, compromise (Yes-even for One Twue Doms) communication, more communication and then even more communication.
They're sharing the losses as well as the joys, taking life's big hits together, listening to her cry as she had issues with her daughter, her standing by me when I battled, and eventually beat, the mortgage companies. We've laughed together, we've sobbed together, but we've always approached it as a we.

And you can't do that online.
Sorry, ya just can't.

Plus, last time I tried, you can't fuck a monitor-the glass cuts your penis real bad...and they ask all kinds of awkward questions at the ER

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 7:29:18 AM   
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I responded about this to you the last time this came up, so I'll spare everyone the rehash. I think we are talking apples and oranges. I do maintain relationships online - and I'm pretty careful about not overinflating them. I DON'T maintain romantic ones. Too difficult - for the reasons you stated.

best wishes,
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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 7:35:04 AM   
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I responded about this to you the last time this came up, so I'll spare everyone the rehash. I think we are talking apples and oranges. I do maintain relationships online - and I'm pretty careful about not overinflating them. I DON'T maintain romantic ones. Too difficult - for the reasons you stated.

best wishes,
sunshine



Hey, grins, at least we're consistent!

And yeah, I should narrow my comments down to being limited to romantic (If ya wanna call BDSM that) relationships.
Technically speaking, I would define a relationship as being two people who interact with each other on a regular basis. I mean, I have a business relationship with lots of folks I've never seen, and who certainly don't care about me. Hell, they may not even like me. But we've been interacting for years and it's certainly a relationship.

But I stand by my comments re romantic relations

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 7:51:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

My real opinion?

If it's online only, you don't have a relationship, you have a joined fantasy. When and if you meet and physically interact, then it may become one, but right now it's all pixie dust, unicorns, rainbows and illusions.

Hey, you asked....

This^^^^^

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 8:40:20 AM   
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I agree that relationships online are mere encounters until they go to the next level of being physical. However, meeting people in this lifestyle is difficult because the pool of people is small compared to vanilla. There is certainly a contingent of bdsm folks in my area but the pickings are slim. That said, I've been lucky in that I have met and been physical with and forged a long term relationship with a person from this site. I certainly haven't batted a thousand, and I haven't met up with eve. ry single person I've encountered. So, my point is you have to begin somewhere. Even on vanilla dating sites smart people take it slow before moving offline. Its very possible to cement something real over time.

BTW : I agree that the phone works both ways. I think my dom just prefers me to reach out to him, which may not be for everyone, but I like it. I'm happy about that.

I wont be around to reply immediately to comments but I will look in on it again. Thanks again.

Please excuse errors I'm on my phone.

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 10:24:55 AM   
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You may be happy to reach out to your Dom online, but as others have said, in any new relationship, whether online or not, it takes two to tango.

I am never interested in someone who does not pursue me, and I would always be nonchalant at first anyway, even when I show interest.

No matter what, men still like the thrill of the hunt.

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 10:35:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

My real opinion?

If it's online only, you don't have a relationship, you have a joined fantasy. When and if you meet and physically interact, then it may become one, but right now it's all pixie dust, unicorns, rainbows and illusions.

Hey, you asked....


Ditto.... Of course... These things can grow into a reality that are strong and thriving. When you become committed to enjoying each others time face to face. Even if it's only alittle time every few months at first.

Make that three. I've had to use online to keep connections during certain times out of necessity, but that's not the same as "never met". How do you really know it's a relationship rather than just internet fun?


Edited to add an off topic.

OP, I appreciate you being polite and mentioning the use of your phone. You seem to realize that lots of mistakes tend to happen that way and I appreciate you letting us know the reason for that.


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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 10:41:18 AM   
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I am never interested in someone who does not pursue me, and I would always be nonchalant at first anyway, even when I show interest.


I was an only child for most of my childhood. I spent up until age 8 with my grandparents being my daycare. My grandparents really treated me as somewhat adult. I learned how to read and write early. I was encouraged to make things and write stories and entertain myself. I'm perfectly at ease eating by myself or being alone in general.

I've had a lot of Doms that I dated tell me that I'm not clingy enough. Even Master struggled with it a little bit when I would take what I called a "mental health" day.


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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 10:46:05 AM   
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Same here. Although, if I am in a relationship, I do have expectations that we will be in contact as often as needed or wanted. I never call that needy, I call that paying attention to what the other person needs.

I do realize that people have differing levels of needing connection; my ex and I differed, I liked to talk on the phone, he liked texting and I did not.

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RE: needy vs. nonchalant - 8/16/2012 10:53:21 AM   
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Same here. Although, if I am in a relationship, I do have expectations that we will be in contact as often as needed or wanted. I never call that needy, I call that paying attention to what the other person needs.

I do realize that people have differing levels of needing connection; my ex and I differed, I liked to talk on the phone, he liked texting and I did not.


Master and I text throughout the day. It's usually funny little observations and things. But, we also live together, so it's just little touches throughout our day. (we're also hand holders)


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