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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 9:47:35 AM   
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Least he's given up masquerading as a fake 'moderate'.


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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 9:50:46 AM   
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They have to try whatever they can. An Obama win will take away the uncertainty over health care and economic direction, as would a purge of the House (not sure that's gonna happen, but just saying). Business can get moving again. And then "Obamacare" will be forever enshrined by voters, as well as turning the corner on investment stagnation. Republicans are obviously desperate to avoid that. They've backed themselves into a corner.

Voter turnout, though, is going to be key. Both Obama and Romney have work to do here.

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 10:07:24 AM   
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Voter turnout, though, is going to be key. Both Obama and Romney have work to do here.


Agreed... I heard a thing last night on the radio .. and sorry, I didn't catch the polling firm, but it might have been Pew or Harris. anyway they related political talk radio to a high incidence of non-voting.
I thought that was interesting since the talk radio crowd runs their collective mouth so much.
Personally, when I want to listen to "talk" I tune in the foil head coast-to-coast crowd and listen for the word "gubfia".


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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 10:28:04 AM   
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"Horrifying..."

Yeah... 'Cause we are gonna put you in chains when we win...



Let me clarify.

The entire system of government has been set up, brilliantly so, to force compromise and ensure that the people's voice is heard. It's bad enough that the states have been ceding control to the federal government, and that Congress has been ceding power to the President, both of which reduce the voice of the common person. But for a group of diehard ideologues to override the moderates and the opposition - that's not going to lead to anything good.

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 10:33:29 AM   
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The real chains involve leftists getting people hooked on welfare and enslaving future generations through chaining our children to the massive debt they run up

Can you say "Greece"

How about "Detroit"

Or maybe "California"


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"Horrifying..."

Yeah... 'Cause we are gonna put you in chains when we win...


Actually, you're just gonna tighten and lock the chains already in place.



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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 10:39:02 AM   
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The real chains involve leftists getting people hooked on welfare and enslaving future generations through chaining our children to the massive debt they run up

Can you say "Greece"

How about "Detroit"

Or maybe "California"


Greece -- wanting everything, refusing to pay taxes for it.

Detroit -- failure to adjust to changing marketplaces, insisting on technology of the past

California -- wanting everything, refusing to pay taxes for it.

All Republican mainstays, and why Bush on Steroids is dumb.

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 10:40:12 AM   
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"Horrifying..."

Yeah... 'Cause we are gonna put you in chains when we win...



Let me clarify.

The entire system of government has been set up, brilliantly so, to force compromise and ensure that the people's voice is heard. It's bad enough that the states have been ceding control to the federal government, and that Congress has been ceding power to the President, both of which reduce the voice of the common person. But for a group of diehard ideologues to override the moderates and the opposition - that's not going to lead to anything good.

Brilliantly said, Steven.

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 10:46:20 AM   
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Well, if Romney wins, it'll reduce my typing on these forums.

Every time a lefty starts a thread complaining about Romney, I'm just gonna type: "It's Ofailure's fault" and walk away.



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No big deal,your posts have lacked any content for some time now....so when you look at it,no big deal

Peace and comfort and all that.....lol

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 10:57:48 AM   
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I don't see how Romney/Ryan can mess with Medicare, eliminate reproductive rights INCLUDING HORMONAL BIRTH CONTROL and still expect to have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected. The down-ticket Republicans are all running from these things. (and yes I got this from Rachel Maddow).

ETA: Ryan sponsored a FEDERAL personhood amendment and pre-abortion mandatory ultrasounds (with an "avert your eyes" clause).

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 11:42:25 AM   
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I don't understand ... If it's only a little blob of protomatter, what's the problem with the ultrasound?

There's nothing to be concerned about. It's not like the abortion would be killing a human being or anything.

Who gets emotionally attached to a blob of protomatter?



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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 11:48:53 AM   
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Same reason you are not mandated to have your republican buddies stick your finger up your ass and cough in most states, I'm guessing, the protomatter issue. 

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 11:55:06 AM   
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Same reason you are not mandated to have your republican buddies


"Republican Buddies"... don't foget to flush after you type that...


Sheesh ... we used to just call em 'floaters'.


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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 11:58:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Well, if Romney wins, it'll reduce my typing on these forums.

Every time a lefty starts a thread complaining about Romney, I'm just gonna type: "It's Ofailure's fault" and walk away.



Peace and comfort,



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I seem to recall that when you first came on these forums you spoke of not disrespecting the Office of POTUS by assigning derogatory nick names.
You didn't vote for him, you did not agree with him, but he had earned the title by virtue of the '08 election and you would respect that.

And now less than a year later, you have tossed that away and your posts have become anger-filled quips that just don't seem to say anything different than the previous one, or the one before that... ad nauseum.

In other words, you used to engage and promote interesting and respectful discussion and I haven't seen that coming from you of late for quite some time.


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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 12:10:46 PM   
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California is a "Republican mainstay..".

Now I've seen every lie and all of the desperate spin there is

Nowhere is more conservative that Detroit

And OH YEAH BABY, Republicans are running Greece

Fucking insane!!

Thanks for the laughs though... Truly!


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The real chains involve leftists getting people hooked on welfare and enslaving future generations through chaining our children to the massive debt they run up

Can you say "Greece"

How about "Detroit"

Or maybe "California"


Greece -- wanting everything, refusing to pay taxes for it.

Detroit -- failure to adjust to changing marketplaces, insisting on technology of the past

California -- wanting everything, refusing to pay taxes for it.

All Republican mainstays, and why Bush on Steroids is dumb.



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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 12:41:52 PM   
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The Republican game plan is The Haters
are enough. There are quite a few haters
but the noise they make may make them
seem more numerous than they are.
And do they all vote? Supporting Chik File
is time consuming and there's no way
Obama can be reelected right? They don't
know a single person who is gonna vote
for that socialist.

The Democratic plan is largely dependent
on The Mortified vote but Obama can count
on some people voting for him because
they like him. Except for Mrs Willard, Willard
really can't rely on that so much.

Turnout will be key. It's doubtful they
will come out as they did in 08.

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 1:31:28 PM   
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As you might be able to tell, it was vigorously uncomfortable — more than a typical pelvic exam, with which most women are very familiar. In part, it’s more uncomfortable because the technician has to press the wand directly against the areas she wants to get an image of — your uterus, Fallopian tubes and ovaries — so there’s more movement and more direct contact with pressure-sensitive areas of your body; you’re also not lying flat on your back to facilitate access to the upper reaches of your vagina; and you’re being penetrated with a longer, rigid object than is used in a regular pelvic exam. In my case, as the technician explained after, my uterus is “high,” or tilted toward my abdomen, so she had to tilt the wand accordingly — and because it was so uncomfortable, she halted the exam before fully exploring my Fallopian tubes or ovaries. If I had been pregnant (which I knew I was not), the exam might have lasted longer as she looked to rule out an ectopic pregnancy and locate the miniscule gestational sac.


It was not, however, like being raped, despite all the furor-generating headlines and “Doonesbury” cartoons that were printed. It was uncomfortable to the point of being painful, emotionally triggering (and undoubtedly is moreso for victims of rape or incest or any woman in the midst of an already-emotional experience) and something that no government should force its citizens to undergo to make a political point. But it wasn’t like being raped — and using language like that not only minimizes rape for its survivors but makes them and other women more frightened of the procedure, which has significant and important medical uses.

Notably, Preterm has a policy of performing ultrasounds on all patients seeking abortion, though Ohio law does not yet require it. For medical reasons, they use ultrasound to confirm pregnancies (in case of false positives), rule out ectopic pregnancies and physically locate the gestational sac in order to perform better, safer abortions. Patients that do not wish to undergo a transvaginal ultrasounds early in their pregnancies can opt to return at a slightly later date, when they are far enough along (though not too far along for a first trimester abortion) to be able to visualize something on the ultrasound.

But that, of course, is the choice of the patients and the medical professionals at Preterm. It’s not a choice to be made at a distance by elected officials with an ideological axe to grind, little medical knowledge and a belief that it’s acceptable to require doctors to put unnecessary instruments inside women’s bodies in an effort to achieve in practice what they can’t constitutionally pass into law: an end to abortion.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/17/i-had-a-transvaginal-ultrasound-my-perspective-on-the-mandate-that-touched-off-2012s-war-on-women/

A video of her procedure is available at that link






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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 2:54:16 PM   
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As you might be able to tell, it was vigorously uncomfortable — more than a typical pelvic exam, with which most women are very familiar. In part, it’s more uncomfortable because the technician has to press the wand directly against the areas she wants to get an image of — your uterus, Fallopian tubes and ovaries — so there’s more movement and more direct contact with pressure-sensitive areas of your body; you’re also not lying flat on your back to facilitate access to the upper reaches of your vagina; and you’re being penetrated with a longer, rigid object than is used in a regular pelvic exam. In my case, as the technician explained after, my uterus is “high,” or tilted toward my abdomen, so she had to tilt the wand accordingly — and because it was so uncomfortable, she halted the exam before fully exploring my Fallopian tubes or ovaries. If I had been pregnant (which I knew I was not), the exam might have lasted longer as she looked to rule out an ectopic pregnancy and locate the miniscule gestational sac.


It was not, however, like being raped, despite all the furor-generating headlines and “Doonesbury” cartoons that were printed. It was uncomfortable to the point of being painful, emotionally triggering (and undoubtedly is moreso for victims of rape or incest or any woman in the midst of an already-emotional experience) and something that no government should force its citizens to undergo to make a political point. But it wasn’t like being raped — and using language like that not only minimizes rape for its survivors but makes them and other women more frightened of the procedure, which has significant and important medical uses.

Notably, Preterm has a policy of performing ultrasounds on all patients seeking abortion, though Ohio law does not yet require it. For medical reasons, they use ultrasound to confirm pregnancies (in case of false positives), rule out ectopic pregnancies and physically locate the gestational sac in order to perform better, safer abortions. Patients that do not wish to undergo a transvaginal ultrasounds early in their pregnancies can opt to return at a slightly later date, when they are far enough along (though not too far along for a first trimester abortion) to be able to visualize something on the ultrasound.

But that, of course, is the choice of the patients and the medical professionals at Preterm. It’s not a choice to be made at a distance by elected officials with an ideological axe to grind, little medical knowledge and a belief that it’s acceptable to require doctors to put unnecessary instruments inside women’s bodies in an effort to achieve in practice what they can’t constitutionally pass into law: an end to abortion.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/17/i-had-a-transvaginal-ultrasound-my-perspective-on-the-mandate-that-touched-off-2012s-war-on-women/

A video of her procedure is available at that link







Tazzy, I would never discount another woman's experience, but I had countless numbers of those every few days in preparation for an IUI and later an IVF procedure.

I did not find it especially uncomfortable any of those times and that included having the exam done by different ultrasound techs in different venues.

I think mandating it is very intrusive and abhorrent and it violates the sanctity of privacy between health care provider and patient, but it was not uncomfortable for me.

edit to add: I have no doubts that the context may have something to do with my perception; that and the fact that it wasn't being "forced" on me...but it wasn't being forced on the woman who wrote the description either and she did find it to be "vigorously uncomfortable".



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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 5:20:23 PM   
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edit to add: I have no doubts that the context may have something to do with my perception; that and the fact that it wasn't being "forced" on me...but it wasn't being forced on the woman who wrote the description either and she did find it to be "vigorously uncomfortable".


Many things, internally, can cause different women to experience it different ways... including disease processes, infections, technicians, techniques, ect ect ect.

This was sorta funny...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/13/1074013/-Hilarious-VA-Right-Wingnut-Sen-Ryan-McDougle-Gets-a-Taste-of-His-Own-Transvaginal-Medicine

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 6:31:02 PM   
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quote:

edit to add: I have no doubts that the context may have something to do with my perception; that and the fact that it wasn't being "forced" on me...but it wasn't being forced on the woman who wrote the description either and she did find it to be "vigorously uncomfortable".


Many things, internally, can cause different women to experience it different ways... including disease processes, infections, technicians, techniques, ect ect ect.

This was sorta funny...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/13/1074013/-Hilarious-VA-Right-Wingnut-Sen-Ryan-McDougle-Gets-a-Taste-of-His-Own-Transvaginal-Medicine


Do you get the feeling that the same male politicians who are pushing for trans-vag ultrasounds would just as soon outlaw vibrators?

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RE: A horrifying way Romney might win. - 8/16/2012 6:50:34 PM   
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Another 'horrifying' way Romney might win.  Paul Ryan challenged Joe Biden to a debate today on medicare. If Joe shows up he gets taken to the cleaners. If he doesn't show up he will look more like an idiot than he already does. I wonder how that meeting at the white house with his boss went today ?   

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