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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
Having often been in a similar situation, I say "A room full of senior executives." It's more accurate.

fair enough (and I think that's how I'll tell the story in the future... it's nicely succinct also). But still, that wasn't my question. The question is how you react to the lie?

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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Generic question to the thread:

There is a specific story I'm fond of telling because it was a highlight in my career. When I tell the story it's, "Me, a front-line manager in a room full of CEO's". That is not factually correct. The actual composition was CEO's & CIO's predominantly with a smattering of other IT executive types and perhaps one or two very high level managers. Carol called me on that one. My contention was "nobody really wants to hear all the details of corporate power structures and the point is accurate... I was massively outranked in the room by everyone". She feels saying just CEO's is a bit self-aggrandizing.

So there's an example of a lie. I'm curious how you folks react to that?

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
Having often been in a similar situation, I say "A room full of senior executives." It's more accurate.

fair enough (and I think that's how I'll tell the story in the future... it's nicely succinct also). But still, that wasn't my question. The question is how you react to the lie?

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
Edited again to add another thought lol - One of my brothers often tells lies like that, to make things sound better than they are. The thing is, we all know it. So when he starts telling a story, we start filtering his words to determine what the *real* story is. He tells great stories, but we don't take them as seriously as he'd like us to.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

~fast reply~

Generic question to the thread:

There is a specific story I'm fond of telling because it was a highlight in my career. When I tell the story it's, "Me, a front-line manager in a room full of CEO's". That is not factually correct. The actual composition was CEO's & CIO's predominantly with a smattering of other IT executive types and perhaps one or two very high level managers. Carol called me on that one. My contention was "nobody really wants to hear all the details of corporate power structures and the point is accurate... I was massively outranked in the room by everyone". She feels saying just CEO's is a bit self-aggrandizing.

So there's an example of a lie. I'm curious how you folks react to that?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

~FR~

I've had people say things to me like: "It wasn't a big lie" or "I didn't lie about something important".

I'n my distant past, I am guilty of both of these. Allow me to explain:

When I was married, frequently I worked long hours. I slept when I could and I needed a "routine" to help me get to sleep.

Frequently, my wife would wait (it seemed to me) until I was undressed, showered, and under the covers to ask: "Did you put the garbage out on the street?"

I didn't want to get out of bed. I didn't want to get dressed. I knew, from prior experience, that a "no" answer would precipitate bitching and moaning. So, I lied and said: "Yes" and resigned myself that I would have to walk out the door, three minutes early in the morning to get the garbage to the street and get off to my shift.

That this wasn't a "big" lie probably can be argued in some way but I think reasonable people can agree that global warming or the end of the world as we know it did not hinge upon the contents of those garbage cans getting to the dump. So, it wasn't a "big" lie.

The only answer I have to that is: "If someone feels the need to lie about something so inconsequential, what will they do, when their back is to the wall?"

Now ...

"I didn't lie about something important" Says who? How can one person decide for another how they feel about a certain topic.

Maybe those garbage cans being empty were important to my ex wife because she wanted to wash them out or she needed to put more garbage into them.

Maybe them still being next to the garage would be a hindrance in her morning routine.

Who the hell am I to decide what is important to someone else?

I have run into a few ladies who insist that they are always honest about important things. I always caution them that we may have different values and they may well wind up finding themselves on the outside, looking in.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

~fast reply~

Generic question to the thread:

There is a specific story I'm fond of telling because it was a highlight in my career. When I tell the story it's, "Me, a front-line manager in a room full of CEO's". That is not factually correct. The actual composition was CEO's & CIO's predominantly with a smattering of other IT executive types and perhaps one or two very high level managers. Carol called me on that one. My contention was "nobody really wants to hear all the details of corporate power structures and the point is accurate... I was massively outranked in the room by everyone". She feels saying just CEO's is a bit self-aggrandizing.

So there's an example of a lie. I'm curious how you folks react to that?

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There is a specific story I'm fond of telling because it was a highlight in my career. When I tell the story it's, "Me, a front-line manager in a room full of CEO's". That is not factually correct. The actual composition was CEO's & CIO's predominantly with a smattering of other IT executive types and perhaps one or two very high level managers. Carol called me on that one. My contention was "nobody really wants to hear all the details of corporate power structures and the point is accurate... I was massively outranked in the room by everyone". She feels saying just CEO's is a bit self-aggrandizing.

So there's an example of a lie. I'm curious how you folks react to that?

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I don't consider a wee bit of poetic license to be a lie.

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Do you know anyone who grew up with an alcoholic parent? The kid makes excuse after excuse for why things are just fine at home. It often isn't until the child is a mature adult, often with kids of their own, that they say, "Holy fucking lightbulb moment. Parenting isn't supposed to be like that. My childhood was really screwed up."

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I believe everybody lies. I trust people who claim they never lie even less than I do people who can admit to lying sometimes.

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
So you are saying I am not smart enough to understand the different terms and the context off your story. It would make me question anything you said... Especially things that inflate your role in the story. Being in a room full of CEOs is a huge difference Han being in a room the CEO and some senior officers from a specific department/ or project team of the company. it might be especially insulting if I understood that you where you were like I suspect Carol would know. CEO just don't get together all that often... And why they re together in the first placeholder be in my mind.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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There is a specific story I'm fond of telling because it was a highlight in my career. When I tell the story it's, "Me, a front-line manager in a room full of CEO's". That is not factually correct. The actual composition was CEO's & CIO's predominantly with a smattering of other IT executive types and perhaps one or two very high level managers. Carol called me on that one. My contention was "nobody really wants to hear all the details of corporate power structures and the point is accurate... I was massively outranked in the room by everyone". She feels saying just CEO's is a bit self-aggrandizing.

So there's an example of a lie. I'm curious how you folks react to that?

I don't consider a wee bit of poetic license to be a lie.

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Frequently, my wife would wait (it seemed to me) until I was undressed, showered, and under the covers to ask: "Did you put the garbage out on the street?"

I didn't want to get out of bed. I didn't want to get dressed. I knew, from prior experience, that a "no" answer would precipitate bitching and moaning. So, I lied and said: "Yes" and resigned myself that I would have to walk out the door, three minutes early in the morning to get the garbage to the street and get off to my shift.