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ARIES83 -> Sadism & Power exchange. (8/17/2012 6:41:03 PM)

I am one of those Dom's who doesn't have a
constant pain inflicting type aspect in my M.O.
I do use physical domination and some pain in
some cases, but I would consider myself more
of an emotional sadist or possibly I objectify
to free myself from being empathetic... But I still
get a kick out of being sadistic because of how
it makes them feel...
Wow I don't really know what the fuck I do
haha.

I was wondering if any Sadistic people who
have a Power exchange relationship would like
to share their thoughts about what they do and
why.

-ARIES




samdarella -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/17/2012 7:31:56 PM)

Because it makes His cock hard.

Also it is another level on which we connect.




ResidentSadist -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/17/2012 10:01:14 PM)

1 - I spank her (samdarella) every morning. It puts her in her place and reinforces her mindset. It is an act of Domination reinforcing and reminding her of her role position to me.

2 - I spank her every morning because I am a sexual sadist. It makes my cock hard and gives her something nice to sit on or suck on.

3 - I spank her every morning because she is a sexual masochist and it makes her cum.

4 - I spank her every morning because it is a romantic soft sweet affectionate expression of a gentleman sadist and his masochistic lady.

5 - I spank her every morning because sometimes the spanking becomes the foreplay to a violent lustful encounter that ends brutally using paddles, whips, canes and etc leaving us both spent in a puddle of cum and blood.

6 - I spank her every morning because the ritual is tangible proof of our dedication to each other. Proof of my dedication as a sadistic Dominant lover. Proof of her dedication as my submissive masochistic lover. It is our "duty" to each other.

7 - I spank her every morning because I wake up with a wonderful spankable sexy women in my bed. Did you expect me to leave a sexy naked slave who is a sexual masochist just laying there naked? When she brings me breakfast in bed and sucks my cock while I drink coffee, shouldn't that behavior be rewarded with positive reinforcement like an erotic spanking? If there is no quid pro qou, it's not an exchange is it?

8 - I spank her every morning because there isn't a better way for us to start the day. I am a simple man, basic, primal by some standards (yes I read that thread). Bring me food, give me sex, give me your love, your pain and your pleasures. By the time we have eaten breakfast, we start our day well loved, well fucked, well fed and we're both on top of the world.

9 - I spank her every morning because it is a long lasting mood enhancement. The fact I woke up with a dedicated slave that has obeyed me as Master and satisfied me as a man with food and sex is an unalterable fact. No matter what chaos the world conjures up, no matter what happens, we started this day on center, reaffirmed about who were are to ourselves and to each other. It charged up our emotional batteries and our fortitude. Nothing can happen to change that fact and it allows us to make everything a pleasant adventure. Even the silliest disaster can't change our mood. Even if something awful happens that makes her cry, with a touch or a word, I can lift her up. She may be smiling while the last of her tears roll down her cheeks but she is in the spirit of adventure, not sad. It is because our bond is that tight, that fresh, it is reconnected and reaffirmed daily. I have also refrained from killing assholes that would have irritated me if it weren't for the fact I was in just too good of a mood to be bothered.

10 - I also stick her with needles, whip her, strap her, cane her and etc. Those encounters can vary in motivation and extremes but that is for another reply because although they are also bonding as far as our exchange goes, they aren't the foundation of the TPE bond. They are the icing on the cake.


So there you have a peek at just one of our rituals that involve my sadism, her masochism and how the painful but erotic acts interface with our style of TPE. I hope this answers your OP with some clarity by micro focusing on just one ritual.




myotherself -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/17/2012 10:42:46 PM)


^^^This, exactly, but from the masochist end of the equation.


RS - have I told you lately that I love you? [:D]




samdarella -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/18/2012 12:29:51 AM)

So many reasons to love You Master.




littlewonder -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/18/2012 12:34:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: samdarella

Because it makes His cock hard.

Also it is another level on which we connect.



This. Same thing word for word.




BambiBoi -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/18/2012 12:46:59 AM)

I've bottomed for sadists, but I am no masochist (a little pain punctuates the pleasure, but here I am talking about serious output). In fact, receiving pain makes me resist submission. I get feisty and angry. While I'm sure dominant sadists would find my squirming, cursing, and tugging at my bindings displeasing, a power-exchange neutral sadist never seems to care. The sadist seems to like these expressions of suffering.

The corollary of my anecdotal finding is that a dominant sadist deeply enjoys a submissive accepting the pain, but controlling the response. So while I might be screaming at full force into a gag so the neighbors don't call the police again, a submissive who is better trained and a masochist exhibits suffering, but keeps their pleasant demeanor.

Does that juxtaposition help?




LadyPact -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/18/2012 10:09:57 AM)

If by what do I means the various ways that I enjoy inflicting pain, there's honestly too many too list. I'm sure I'll miss some due to just waking up, but here goes.

Impact play, needles, cutting, electrical play, single tail, canes, crops, wax, fire, cupping, and various stuff associated with those categories. (Those are the physical ones, anyway.)

Why? Because it's fun and I enjoy it. Being a sadist, to Me, isn't necessarily linked with My Dominance. It can be, but I also top and that's sadism as well. It might be a turn on, it might just be for giggles. It might be just because I enjoy top space. Could be because I want to see how much pain I can inflict on a person. I would disagree with Bambi's statement about sadist preferring one type of receiver over the other. In My case, that's not true. I enjoy the masochist who is liking receiving the pain just as much as the ones who don't.

It just so happens that the person that I inflict My sadism on these days is My s-type. Some of it he likes. Some he doesn't. Far more that he does. Maybe a 90/10 split. The ten percent would be the obedience part.




Kana -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/18/2012 10:23:09 AM)

quote:

I was wondering if any Sadistic people who
have a Power exchange relationship would like
to share their thoughts about what they do and
why.


Because the slut needs it. My sadism is purely a cloak to disguise the fact that I am only perpetrating these terrible acts on her as the ultimate act of love.
I'm such a kind, generous, giving soul. I should be Sanctified.
Selfless Doms unite!




littlewonder -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/18/2012 11:31:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

quote:

I was wondering if any Sadistic people who
have a Power exchange relationship would like
to share their thoughts about what they do and
why.


Because the slut needs it. My sadism is purely a cloak to disguise the fact that I am only perpetrating these terrible acts on her as the ultimate act of love.
I'm such a kind, generous, giving soul. I should be Sanctified.
Selfless Doms unite!


uumm...Master, really...I know you love me. I'm ok, really.....I don't think I really need you to show me anymore. [8D]




Kana -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/18/2012 1:21:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

quote:

I was wondering if any Sadistic people who
have a Power exchange relationship would like
to share their thoughts about what they do and
why.


Because the slut needs it. My sadism is purely a cloak to disguise the fact that I am only perpetrating these terrible acts on her as the ultimate act of love.
I'm such a kind, generous, giving soul. I should be Sanctified.
Selfless Doms unite!


uumm...Master, really...I know you love me. I'm ok, really.....I don't think I really need you to show me anymore. [8D]

Bah-Love is an action, not a word.
Watch my feet to know what I'm about...well, that and check her toilet for rings [8D]




sheisreeds -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/18/2012 3:11:12 PM)

Because the right kind of scream let's me right into his soul.

As a masochist I enjoy giving that unique and purest form of nakedness to someone I care about.




ARIES83 -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/19/2012 10:55:15 PM)

Haha kana,

LadyPact you mentioned "Top space"
could you describe what that is like for you?
First time I've heard of it but it's already got me
thinking about what it might be for me.

I definitely do think i'm trying to get a specific
mental state, the word "primal" is sticking but I
might have to read the primal thread to say for
sure if that's touching on it.
I might say a "primal misogyny" but theres to
many negitave characteristics in that word so I
probably need to pick up the dictionary and
have a poke around.

Does anyone else have a type of "top space"
that you can get to and if so what is it for you?

-ARIES




Kana -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/19/2012 11:07:10 PM)

I get top space.
I hyper focus in on her, what I'm doing, how she's reacting. It's very close to a meditative trance, I can lock out anything and everything except her and the next move in the dance. When I'm real far in it, I don't even have to look at her, I can stare off into space and guide the body I know so well. Everything slows down, I get locked in the moment, time stretches, I see clearer, sharper, my strokes are tighter and cleaner.
And coming down is a bitch. I can crash just as subs do.

But it ain't misogyny. I never hate or dislike her, or any woman. Fuck, I love women, adore em, think they are far and away the greatest thing ever made. Instead I'm going deep in her/with her and taking her way way into me, but we're going together-it's an incredibly bonding thing, starting as two separate individuals and ending as a synergistic being.
Sometimes it's primal, sometimes it's analytical, it's always spontaneous, it's always intuitive, it's always surfing by feel in the dark.




ARIES83 -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/20/2012 12:28:57 AM)

Yer misogyny isn't the word I'm looking for,
Is there a term for,
"raw, benign, patriarchal, objectification"

Definitely not woman hating.

-ARIES

*BTW, That sounds like a awesom thing to
experience!*




LadyPact -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/20/2012 12:49:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83
LadyPact you mentioned "Top space"
could you describe what that is like for you?
First time I've heard of it but it's already got me
thinking about what it might be for me.

I definitely do think i'm trying to get a specific
mental state, the word "primal" is sticking but I
might have to read the primal thread to say for
sure if that's touching on it.
I might say a "primal misogyny" but theres to
many negitave characteristics in that word so I
probably need to pick up the dictionary and
have a poke around.

Does anyone else have a type of "top space"
that you can get to and if so what is it for you?

-ARIES

Let's start here. What do you know about sub space? Are you familiar with the chemical reaction and reception in the brain that causes subs to get 'floaty' during play.

The same thing can happen on the top side. It's the same rush of endorphins. Those endorphins flood certain receptors in the brain producing something of a high. It can feel like runner's high and some will say that it's the physical exertion of the top that does it. My retort to this is to ask why then can some tops (such as Myself) obtain this state when doing something like needles, when I'm not doing the workout of impact play.

Endorphins are those happy chemicals in the brain that are meant for the pleasure receptors. They are actually the same process that allow synthetic drugs/alcohol to work. That and the effect of runner's high on athletes is where most of the research comes from. There's a good bit out there. I apologize for not having the reference links at hand. Somebody on these forums who is better at google than I am will hopefully help out.

This next part is going to sound a bit nuts. (I'm kind of glad Kana showed up first so it doesn't look like I'm crazy.) I am what I tend to call "endorphin blessed". That means My brain is really receptive to it. If one would compare it to alcohol consumption, I can be anything from a little tipsy to roaring drunk. True story. I literally walked into a wall once. Depending on the scene, I can fly so high from a scene the night before that I can wake up still floaty. On a rare occasion, in the right mood and frame of mind, I don't even have to play to achieve space.

Physical signs vary. One constant is that My pupils dilate. My eyes also change color. I'm told that they become the most brilliant shade of green. My other half can look at My eyes and tell if they are lit up or not.

I'm going to add a couple of disclaimers here because they always come up. No, I don't drive like this. I'm just as bad as any sub on the road who just came from playing really hard. That part can be rather inconvenient when I play away from home. Out of the blue, a scene can go far better than expected, the stars align, and I end up having to hang out for a few hours to get My feet back on the ground because I'm not fit to drive a car. There are some folks who know Me in person on this site who have seen this.

No, it really doesn't prevent Me from giving proper aftercare to the bottom. In fact, it's actually a cool reminder that floaty can equal drop later, so let's remember the water, warmth, whatever we've discussed. It tends to make Me excellent at looking after their needs, even though I often neglect My own.

No, this altered state doesn't make Me less accurate or precise. In fact, I tend to think it zones Me in one the scene and the bottom. Think tunnel vision.

As for what it feels like, I don't really have a standard answer. For example, for Me, needle space feels different than impact play space. It varies according to the type of play, the person I'm with, how much I can let go.....

This part, I have no direct research to fall back on. These are just theories of Mine.

It seems to Me that those of us who are sadists or masochists are just wired slightly different in the brain. Chemically, something is a bit different up there. This may be why we have this altered state from play.

My other theory is from pheromones. That's entirely wrapped up in sensors related to smell and chemical reaction from that sense. How many times has someone said the smell of fear turned them on? Have you ever asked yourself exactly why that was? Why do tops feel a greater float when the scene is over sometimes? Curled up with the bottom when we breathe them in?

There's more to this than many of us will ever know. It can be absolutely fascinating, with the whys and hows. Far more complex than we will ever reveal on a message board. I hope, in some small way, I have answered you.





ARIES83 -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/20/2012 1:07:50 AM)

Answered and disappointed, I know the
Endorphin feeling from running ect, but
I can't say I've ever gotten it from a
non-physical activity, and I have gotten
"tunnel vision" when physically dominating/
wrestling with a sub but not that I can
remember being accompanied by a "high"
like you and kana are describing.
I guess I've never had top space. Oh well...

You both sound just to dam hardcore haha.
Thanks for the super informitave responses!
-ARIES




Kana -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/20/2012 1:09:58 AM)

quote:

Physical signs vary. One constant is that My pupils dilate. My eyes also change color

Oh, dog piss. My eyes change color too. That's kinda scary.
Now, they're pretty much hazel, so they shift according to mood a bit anyway, but when I play, they really shift.
I don't get the physical effects you do, but I can crash real hard emotionally after (It's tough coming back down into cold ugly reality. The high from topping is so much cleaner and better), do some real soul wrestling, have to deal with a lot of nasty shit that bubbles to the surface from time to time.
But even that's cathartic. At least it's getting dealt with and not festering inside, slowly turning toxic.
And that dealing, we do it together. I'm not alone, in mind, body or spirit, and that helps.


So hey, all you subs/slaves out there-Dominants are people too-sometimes we need aftercare just like you do


edited to add this:
Yer misogyny isn't the word I'm looking for,
Is there a term for,
"raw, benign, patriarchal, objectification

How bout "ravish?" As in, I'm gonna ravish her in the most primal way possible...




ARIES83 -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/20/2012 1:14:26 AM)

Um as for eye colour changing... Mine do
that all the time in different light, just look
at my two profile pics.
Maybe I'm a vampire... Hmmm




LadyPact -> RE: Sadism & Power exchange. (8/20/2012 1:15:13 AM)

Disappointed in My response..... or yours?

Dude, don't do that to yourself. Heck, I've had people tell Me that I'm not a real Domme because I get toppy. According to them, it means I am not in control and therefore, not a Dominant.

And, just because you never have doesn't mean you never will. The possibility is always out there.

This isn't a goal to achieve. As long as you are concentrating on that concept, you'll never get it.




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