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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 2:03:47 AM   
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If you look carefully you will see that no body actually raised any valid points they all just bitched at him, asked him personal questions and tried to explain why what they do is so much better than what he does. All he wanted was some basic advice and guidance and all he got was random abuse criticism and personal attacks.

He did not receive a single negative response to the question he asked, it was a simple request for information and the only justifiable negative response to a question like that would be for someone to say that they don’t have any information to give. All the bitching and negative responses were aimed entirely at him personally and the things he likes to do.
The only thing he and a lot of other people have learned is that anyone posting a question seeking advice on something that is even slightly unusual or unorthodox the boards at collarme are not the place to do it.

He is not the first person to ask a perfectly simple question on these boards and received nothing but self glorifying bullshit and abuse from people who simply don’t understand or agree with what they are asking about rather than any actual practical advice.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 5:46:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: masterjon84

I don't want to sound rude here, because I am a newcomer to this forum, but the responses I have recieved so far are the exact reason I left the last online forum I belonged to.  Every response I get has been negative, in some regard, either the person not getting the training techniques I use, saying how they don't like online play, or questioning the legality of it.  I'd rather get no responses than have people respond negatively to my post, there is no reason to respond if you are just going to downplay what I enjoy doing or try to put a negative spin on it.  I love realtime bdsm, I had a realtime 24/7 slave for roughly 18 months.  I am active in the local bdsm scene.  The point is that we all enjoy different things, I am happen to enjoy online bdsm that includes webcam and digital cam play.  If you are not into it, that is fine, but please don't try to rain on my parade here.  If you don't have any advice that directly pertains to the question I asked, please don't respond.  Thanks.


If you have already left one forum becaise of negative posts to this situation maybe its not the forum but it is you and the fact that most people feel the way that people are posting here

wich is that online training is worthless. BDSM is hard enough and should be done in r/l not online.

You also can tell the sub to do whatever you want them to do it means very little at least to me to have to do it by meself for myself. And I know a lot of subs (not me) that will just say they do things when they really dont.

As for the falshing thing. A real Master wouldnt send his sub to do something that will get them arrested or in trouble with the law!!!!!!! 


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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 5:53:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrTiger


If you look carefully you will see that no body actually raised any valid points they all just bitched at him, asked him personal questions and tried to explain why what they do is so much better than what he does. All he wanted was some basic advice and guidance and all he got was random abuse criticism and personal attacks.

He did not receive a single negative response to the question he asked, it was a simple request for information and the only justifiable negative response to a question like that would be for someone to say that they don’t have any information to give. All the bitching and negative responses were aimed entirely at him personally and the things he likes to do.
The only thing he and a lot of other people have learned is that anyone posting a question seeking advice on something that is even slightly unusual or unorthodox the boards at collarme are not the place to do it.

He is not the first person to ask a perfectly simple question on these boards and received nothing but self glorifying bullshit and abuse from people who simply don’t understand or agree with what they are asking about rather than any actual practical advice.



A lot of people dont have any info to share here because most dont like the idea of playing online.

I have had many online relationships and have found while I got very very close to the Master I was with that it left me feeeling empty and alone. When there is no one in the room with you and it is you paddling yourself it can get very frustrateing. I have ended many relationships because of this fact... while Im not saying that online relationships are all bad or non productive in my experiance they have left me at least feeling more empty and alone then to actually be without any Dom at all......

To me real life is the only good choice and while I do still play online I only do so if it is to get to know a Dom who I plan on at some point forming a real life relationship with.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 6:15:11 AM   
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You say it is repetitive and I imagine so. Your post is more of a statement then a question by the way. You have opened the door for all the questions you have received. I won't however ask any since it is obviously pointless to do so.

I will say, that if I was your online sub you had best be doing something other then ordering me to do a bunch of lame tasks over and over again. I would lie in a heartbeat if you told me to do most of that stuff. I think most submissives need more then silly tasks to do. They need to be touched on an emotional level and given freedom to grow as a submissive.

I was in an online relationship for 10 months before moving in with my Dom. If he had done this kind of online training he wouldn't have been my Dom. You are getting negative feedback because we that know this lifestyle for real know that the dynamics of it are so much more then what online can ever hope to achieve. I would think you having done it for real would agree to that.  

I wish you the best.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 6:21:30 AM   
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MasterJon. 

I tried the online training thing when there was some chemistry between me and someone I met in chat.  I had been r/t before this.  I had tried it before I became r/t as well. It ends up being a fantasy for both people.  You ask something of her, she says oh yes and that she does all of this.  In reality most subs have some common sense and are not going to flash in public and take pics.  How does that work anyway?  If you are holding your clothes with one hand the camera with the other, or putting the camera on timer and running back where you can flash someone you have to have someone to flash in that time frame. 

My guess is that the "subs" are yanking your chain overall.  Anything that is asked of them she can do or not do if she so chooses.  At any rate she controls all-if, how much, when, real or fake orgasms, can pretend to comply with bathroom control etc. 

The difference between r/t and online is huge.  You can get mentally into someone online because they can be whoever you want them to be.  In your mind their compliance is 100%.  They never balk at your requirements.  In real life you have to contend with a real person and all that implies. 

If you enjoy online then by all means do it.  Just be aware of its limitations.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 6:22:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Littlepita



You say it is repetitive and I imagine so. Your post is more of a statement then a question by the way. You have opened the door for all the questions you have received. I won't however ask any since it is obviously pointless to do so.

I will say, that if I was your online sub you had best be doing something other then ordering me to do a bunch of lame tasks over and over again. I would lie in a heartbeat if you told me to do most of that stuff. I think most submissives need more then silly tasks to do. They need to be touched on an emotional level and given freedom to grow as a submissive.

I was in an online relationship for 10 months before moving in with my Dom. If he had done this kind of online training he wouldn't have been my Dom. You are getting negative feedback because we that know this lifestyle for real know that the dynamics of it are so much more then what online can ever hope to achieve. I would think you having done it for real would agree to that.  

I wish you the best.



AMEN
pita

you hit the nial on the head with this one

there is so much more then giveing orders in this life and its so hard online
more then a day of being given stupid tasks like that and id have been gone!!

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 6:43:53 AM   
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Hello all, first time poster here.  I have been involved in bdsm for about 6 years now, and have enjoyed it a lot.  I was apprenticed to a master for nearly a year before I set out to find my own submissive, and have had much success.  Until recently, I was strictly involved in realtime bdsm but I have just made the switch to online primarily.  I asked a  number of online dominants how to best make this transition and thought I would be fine.  However, my training sessions seem to be very repetitive, since I am used to actually being there physically with my sub.  I use a combination of digital cameras and webcams during my training sessions and I use various exercises and tasks to train my sub.  I know that each master is different and many of you may not agree with my techniques, but the training techniques I currently use include:
-bladder and orgasm control
-self spanking/flogging
-writing degrading/humiliating things on their body
-anal/vaginal/oral insertions, including licking/smearing the object that was just inserted across their face/body
-name calling
-forcing my sub to hold various positions for various lengths of time.  an example of some position I currently use include holding a ball against the wall using just their nose, on all fours with their head against the floor, etc.
-forcing my sub to act like a dog, which includes walking on all fours, wearing a collar, eating out of a dish, fetching objects using just their mouth, etc.
-having my sub photograph their most intimate moments, including when they go to the bathroom or change their tampon
-making them do certain tasks or objectives such as take pictures of themselves flashing in public places, doing certain acts, etc.
-controlling what my sub wears and eats during the day
There are probably a few training techniques I forgot to list, but these are the bulk of them.  My question to the community is are there any training techniques that I don't use that I could be implementing into my sessions with my subs?  I am open to any new ideas, myself and my sub really don't have any limits, so dont be afraid to get creative/kinky.  Thanks in advance for any advice you may be able to give me. 

-Master Jon


Hi MasterJon,

I am sorry that you got so many negative replies.  It seems that whenever 'online' comes up the knockers come out in their droves and try to minimise, trivialise and even ridicule a taste that they don't even comprehend.  So much for the so called tolerance we promote within the lifestyle.

I am afraid that I am not going to offer you suggestions of what you could do.  D/s is a personal taste, and we do what works for us - and that is on or offline.  To me, all physical activities in D/s are just about creating, maintaining and enhancing a mindset.  It is the mindset that is import - the tools we use are just a matter of personal taste.

The best way to find the 'tools' that you can use is to go through the bdsm checklist of limits.  There you will find all sorts of ideas and find where they fit with your partner.

I do have a couple of questions for you though.  You said you were an apprentice to a master?  I am confused by the terminolgy.  I can understand that you had a mentor that was more experienced...  but I would like to know about the apprentiship.  Could you explain please.

Brosco

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 6:44:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: masterjon84

I don't want to sound rude here, because I am a newcomer to this forum, but the responses I have recieved so far are the exact reason I left the last online forum I belonged to.  Every response I get has been negative, in some regard, either the person not getting the training techniques I use, saying how they don't like online play, or questioning the legality of it.  I'd rather get no responses than have people respond negatively to my post, there is no reason to respond if you are just going to downplay what I enjoy doing or try to put a negative spin on it.  I love realtime bdsm, I had a realtime 24/7 slave for roughly 18 months.  I am active in the local bdsm scene.  The point is that we all enjoy different things, I am happen to enjoy online bdsm that includes webcam and digital cam play.  If you are not into it, that is fine, but please don't try to rain on my parade here.  If you don't have any advice that directly pertains to the question I asked, please don't respond.  Thanks.


This is a public forum.  That means when you make a post, it is available to anyone who wishes to post and they get to post whatever they like, whether it is to your liking or not.  You're sticking yourself out there and asking for opinions.  If you don't get what you're hoping to get, that's part of the risk and just too damn bad.
You don't get to control what replies get posted, ya gets what ya gets. 



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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 6:51:35 AM   
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masterjon,

i participated in some online training a few months ago.  at the beginning it was great. i was a new submissive and had no idea what i was doing.  my online Master was wonderful.  He had the ability to help me learn and explore this new lifestyle to see what my likes and dislikes might be, to control me from far away and become my friend as well.

that being said, it finally got to the point where online was not enough for me. i guess my suggestion would be, instead of ordering a bunch of tasks or duties get to know your submissive on a more personal intimate level.

if you make that connection, the submitting will be more complete and the training will be more open and honest.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:04:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: feastie


This is a public forum.  That means when you make a post, it is available to anyone who wishes to post and they get to post whatever they like, whether it is to your liking or not.  You're sticking yourself out there and asking for opinions.  If you don't get what you're hoping to get, that's part of the risk and just too damn bad.
You don't get to control what replies get posted, ya gets what ya gets. 




So lets see here.  A person says he is new and online.  He describes his experience and tastes and asks for other ideas.  He then gets attacked because he is online????

So feastie....  lets see, I can attack you because of any single sentence you made?

quote:

This is a public forum. 

Not quite.  You have to be a registered member here to post and agree to obey the rules.  (of course i could follow with - even a fw knows that, but maybe you aint that smart)

quote:

That means when you make a post, it is available to anyone who wishes to post and they get to post whatever they like, whether it is to your liking or not.

Not quite - they may post within the rules.  (again I could add something about the ignorance of a fw who didn't know the rules).


You see feastie, that is not the way to behave in a forum.

MasterJon stated his background and asked some questions.  His questions where not answered - just his background attacked.  He did highlight this politely - YES POLITELY - but you have decided to continue the personal attack...  thats sad.

Brosco


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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:08:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: feastie

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterjon84

I don't want to sound rude here, because I am a newcomer to this forum, but the responses I have recieved so far are the exact reason I left the last online forum I belonged to.  Every response I get has been negative, in some regard, either the person not getting the training techniques I use, saying how they don't like online play, or questioning the legality of it.  I'd rather get no responses than have people respond negatively to my post, there is no reason to respond if you are just going to downplay what I enjoy doing or try to put a negative spin on it.  I love realtime bdsm, I had a realtime 24/7 slave for roughly 18 months.  I am active in the local bdsm scene.  The point is that we all enjoy different things, I am happen to enjoy online bdsm that includes webcam and digital cam play.  If you are not into it, that is fine, but please don't try to rain on my parade here.  If you don't have any advice that directly pertains to the question I asked, please don't respond.  Thanks.


This is a public forum.  That means when you make a post, it is available to anyone who wishes to post and they get to post whatever they like, whether it is to your liking or not.  You're sticking yourself out there and asking for opinions.  If you don't get what you're hoping to get, that's part of the risk and just too damn bad.
You don't get to control what replies get posted, ya gets what ya gets. 




Yes while that is true if you look you will see that the people who have been posting negative comments on this thread have not been using it as a public forum where most people would expect most of the posters to have some regard to common decency and a basic respect for other peoples approaches to different lifestyles instead they have decided to use it as a pubic whipping post. I don’t think people who posts on the boards here are expecting random criticism abuse and a tirade of belittling comments or pointless explanations from petty minded people as to why what they do is so much better than what he does.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:09:48 AM   
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interesting little thread.....
For me online BDSM is akin to any other role playing game. Not real. While there are emotions and mental efforts it just has no bearing on real life. What draws me to the lifestyle is the all encompassing deep relationship (not to be confused to wacky obsessive mind you)  that I see as being possible. For me it is about the trust and power exchange. There is NO WAY I can imagine having that via online role playing. Over and over and over I get emails, a few interesting enough to want to start communicating outside of this site. What really saddens me is that almost all of them want to start "talking play". I do not know how I can be more blunt when I say "I do not do cybercrap!" For me, emails and IM is only the beginning of getting to know one another for face to face skin to skin. I dont want to see pictures of genitalia, I could get a mirror and look at my own if that did it for me. I want to get to know the person, what makes them tick, what movies they like, books they read. What makes them cry, laugh and collapse in a fit of hysterical giggles. All the stuff that is part of getting to know someone you meet in our day to day life that interests us and makes us want to either know the person better or move on. As far as any sort of online training or submission, until I spend face to face time with them I have no interest in pursuing a relationship with them in that way.
All that being said, that is MY personal preference. It is not MY place to tell someone they should not indulge in whatever floats their boat. I know people that like to get online and play war games with people from all over the world, not my thing but whatever.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:28:07 AM   
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quote:

For me online BDSM is akin to any other role playing game.


fair comment - you expressed an opinion.


quote:

For me it is about the trust and power exchange. There is NO WAY I can imagine having that via online role playing.
quote:



Problem now is that you have taken your opinion (that D/s or BDSM online is roleplaying) and making it a 'fact' express that it therefore cannot work in a power exchange.

Sorry, hate to tell you this, but having been involved in both online and r/l, online is not about roleplay to many many ppl.  I suspect you are voicing opinion based on your own misconceptions or at best, a poor experience.

Brosco

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:33:55 AM   
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It is a public forum.  Having to sign up and agree to follow rules doesn't mean that it isn't.  Any thread is available to any user who decides to post.  All one has to do to sign up is fill in a few blanks with some personal (or not) information, swear that he's eighteen years of age, agree to abide by the rules and voila...a new collarchat user is born.  It works no differently than any other forum.  I belong to a few others and I run one, they all require sign ups and agreements to the TOS. There is no test and no one is ever rejected, unless the fourteen year old ain't smart enough to figure out how to enter his age to appear eighteen years old.

As far as personal attacks on this user, most have been respectful, even if they haven't agreed with him.  A couple have been less so, but valid points have been raised. How does he stay in tune with what is going on with his submissive when he's not in the room?  That's a valid point.  Why did he switch from real time to online?  What's wrong with asking for more information? 

Personally, years ago I enjoyed a very successful online relationship.  At the time, it was the only option available for me, and it helped me to grow in a lot of ways that I never would have otherwise.  I adore the man to this day and my appreciation for what he taught me will be with me forever.  I don't care to repeat the experience online, but if the OP enjoys it, more power to him.

The fact of the matter is that not many people here are into the online relationship.  If you are, that's great, offer him some advice.  But no one can control what replies one will get and it is as simple as that.  I'm not justifying personal attacks, I'm directly saying to the OP to thicken his skin a little.  He IS the one that put it out there, and you always have to expect bad with the good.  Like my Daddy always told me.  Be a duck, let it all roll off your back.  Quack, quack.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:40:02 AM   
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I don't see a problem here.   Any port in a strom.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:53:04 AM   
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I'm not justifying personal attacks,


Whatever you say... yeah!

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:55:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrTiger


If you look carefully you will see that no body actually raised any valid points they all just bitched at him, asked him personal questions and tried to explain why what they do is so much better than what he does. All he wanted was some basic advice and guidance and all he got was random abuse criticism and personal attacks.

He did not receive a single negative response to the question he asked, it was a simple request for information and the only justifiable negative response to a question like that would be for someone to say that they don’t have any information to give. All the bitching and negative responses were aimed entirely at him personally and the things he likes to do.
The only thing he and a lot of other people have learned is that anyone posting a question seeking advice on something that is even slightly unusual or unorthodox the boards at collarme are not the place to do it.

He is not the first person to ask a perfectly simple question on these boards and received nothing but self glorifying bullshit and abuse from people who simply don’t understand or agree with what they are asking about rather than any actual practical advice.



You may think my question was not valid, but I had an actual experience with subspace over the internet and in my opinion people that play this way unthinkingly are not thinking about the submissive. I have asked this question several times and never received an answer, why is that? I am not being rude to question whether or not it is safe to have subs do things to themselves with no one in the room to watch their reactions. You may not like the question, but that does not invalidate it.

Being a submissive with an experience over a webcam that involves pain I think that my ability to determine the validity of his question is just as good, if not better, than your own. I do not say all that many nice things about my former dom, but I will say this about him, he was not so arrogant that he couldn’t understand that putting me in subspace without him there was not a great idea… So we saved playing for being in person.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 7:58:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brosco

quote:

For me online BDSM is akin to any other role playing game.


fair comment - you expressed an opinion.


quote:

For me it is about the trust and power exchange. There is NO WAY I can imagine having that via online role playing.
quote:



Problem now is that you have taken your opinion (that D/s or BDSM online is roleplaying) and making it a 'fact' express that it therefore cannot work in a power exchange.

Sorry, hate to tell you this, but having been involved in both online and r/l, online is not about roleplay to many many ppl.  I suspect you are voicing opinion based on your own misconceptions or at best, a poor experience.

Brosco


Actually Brosco, since you do not know me you have nothing to base your comment on. I stated that it was all just MY opinion as it relates to ME and what I am comfortable and happy with in MY life. For ME it is a fact. That does not make it an applicable fact for you or anyone else.


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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:00:33 AM   
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Well, don't do a snuff on webcam, that could be dangerous.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:02:32 AM   
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Well, don't do a snuff on webcam, that could be dangerous.


I seem to have misplaced my box of snuff anyway.

(Yes, lame I know. Just the first silly thing that came to my twisted mind)

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