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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:03:36 AM   
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Actually Brosco, since you do not know me you have nothing to base your comment on. I stated that it was all just MY opinion as it relates to ME and what I am comfortable and happy with in MY life. For ME it is a fact. That does not make it an applicable fact for you or anyone else.


Thank you.  The way you expressed it made it sound like it was a fact.  Thank you for the clarification.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:07:49 AM   
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Lol as for not liking what people say to each other in here - u make the post with the knowledge there are those out there who will either :-
a, not like it and make this clear.
b, not understand it, so question it.
c, just maybe actually help you.
 
 

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:13:36 AM   
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Look:

It is hard to take ANYTHING seriously out here.  You wake up in the morning, sipping your coffee, and lo and behold someone is posting that she is going to commit suicide because her master released her. Of course, we know this is not a lifestyle, it is real life.  Anyone that was contemplating suicide would without a doubt come here to post it and get opinions............

Cum granis salis.  Ja?

Ease up.
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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:14:33 AM   
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Sorry about this but why is it that you pick on online for this concern?  In r/l you may be bound helplessly and the Dom has a heart attack.  Chances poor huh?  But online isn't 'real', what are the chances of subspace?

Strange how ppl that are so anti or controversial about online are unable to face realities of r/l.

Its called Risk Aware Consensual Kink!

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:19:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		BDSM 101,... subs require aftercare... can't give it if you aren't there...no matter what you say about RACK... Im more of a SSC sort of gal. If you are the type of dom that goes around not caring about what happens to a sub you launched into subspace I suppose nothing I could say to you would change your mind. So there you are.

And btw, I only play real time hunny.. why the attack on me? If you don't like my opinion you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:35:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		subs require aftercare ?

all of them ? all the time ? after every jump into subspace ?

funny... I've done "scenes" in the past via webcam and phone when the miles between us just didn't allow for face to face interaction... had girls in subspace for substantial amounts of time... and brought them back down again, all by means of webcam/typing or My voice...

I never appointed anyone to cuddle them up in a blankie, nor did I see them rush off to do so on their own...

each girl is different, just as every guy is different... same as everyones kinks and methods of "training" are different.

just because its not in your bdsm handbooks (most of which I've read and think are total crap, personally) and listed as "ssc" or "rack" doesn't mean that its automatically unsafe or unacceptable behavior in a scene.

just My two cents...

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:40:03 AM   
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I think that that what you said is a little harsh? are you upset about the fact that me made you look stupid because of your first pointless post on this thread, frankly I have never seen anything on the boards her quite as rude as what you have just wrote.


OK for starters...bitter much? Is this really all about YOU maybe? Second I neither look or feel stupid about my first post. If you can physically hold a ball against the wall using just their nose, on all fours with their head against the floor then I will bow to the blissful holier than that you see in the mirror every morning. In the english language people commonly use commas to seperate parts of the same position. Other times they use it as he explained. As I still read this it was all part of the same position and thus my gumby mind started twisting.
Thank you for making my point that sometimes people must clarify what they mean as typing does not always allow for an appropriate expression of what people mean. Really, I would hate to think that the tone of your post really meant that you were trying AGAIN to be a holier than thou jerk when you're this new to the party. But hey what I do I know? I'm just the stupid person with years of real life experience under their belt and a live boy at my feet. I wish you and all of your cyber girls the best.

< Message edited by theRose4U -- 6/11/2006 8:41:15 AM >

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:45:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok... "some subs" require aftercare. I require aftercare. I think every sub I know really feel the need for aftercare. It is not like this odd concept since most real life doms I know of provide aftercare. You are right, some subs want to be left the hell alone too.


I still stand behind what I said.. You can't see it then you don't really know. I will take my scening in real life with a person in the same room. It works for you... GREAT! But I think that I will keep my opinion seeing I have been in subspace remotely and my dominant could not see me or my reactions to it.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:54:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And btw, I only play real time hunny.. why the attack on me? If you don't like my opinion you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


and btw honey, I have played both ...  so why the attack on  me? If you don't like my opinions you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...

< Message edited by Brosco -- 6/11/2006 8:56:00 AM >

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:57:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: texasbutterfly

masterjon,

i participated in some online training a few months ago.  at the beginning it was great. i was a new submissive and had no idea what i was doing.  my online Master was wonderful.  He had the ability to help me learn and explore this new lifestyle to see what my likes and dislikes might be, to control me from far away and become my friend as well.

that being said, it finally got to the point where online was not enough for me. i guess my suggestion would be, instead of ordering a bunch of tasks or duties get to know your submissive on a more personal intimate level.

if you make that connection, the submitting will be more complete and the training will be more open and honest.


I would say that for the newbie not ready to take the leap I get what your saying. You get the opportunity to learn some of the mental control that goes with the lifestyle. However this is what I would classify under self discipline. It's too easy to say yes master I had a salad for lunch and went to the gym today when you really had a Big Mac extra fries and the closest you got to the gym was the shoe store next door. You also lose the tactile part that I find so vital in this lifestyle. Which I think your post aluded to you having moved real time.
Telling someone to perform physical manipulations that are possibly beyond their physical capabilities is too easy. You need to be able to monitor and watch the pain responses that you get back and on cams or text it's too easy to miss someone straining their back and hurting themselves attempting some feat you learned from a book or porn.
This also reminds me of the joke that seems to circulate the lifestyle: A sub is getting ready to do a caning scene with a dom they recently met. They state that they have years of experience and a laundry list of masters and lists flogging, caning and cum guzzling as personal favorites. The scene begins and during warm up with a rabbit flogger she's good until the dom pulls out a cane to continue the session. One swat and she's up screaming bloody murder. When the unsuspecting dom asks what's the matter she yells "It never hurt like that online"!!
I can't imagine going backwards to a world where sensation is removed from play. If that's how it ever ends up having to be I'll take my toys and go home...there's a real boy there waiting.

< Message edited by theRose4U -- 6/11/2006 9:07:43 AM >

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 8:58:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And btw, I only play real time hunny.. why the attack on me? If you don't like my opinion you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


and btw honey, I have played both ...  so why the attack on  me? If you don't like my opinions you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


I never attacked you

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 9:04:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And btw, I only play real time hunny.. why the attack on me? If you don't like my opinion you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


and btw honey, I have played both ...  so why the attack on  me? If you don't like my opinions you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


I never attacked you


and I dont believe I attacked you...  so we can leave it at that or go back and find instances... pretty silly really.. its just a forum with personal opinions.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 9:12:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And btw, I only play real time hunny.. why the attack on me? If you don't like my opinion you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


and btw honey, I have played both ...  so why the attack on  me? If you don't like my opinions you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


I never attacked you


and I dont believe I attacked you...  so we can leave it at that or go back and find instances... pretty silly really.. its just a forum with personal opinions.


Thus again making my point that online loses something in translation without voice inflection, facial movements and tone to convey meaning. I may be a bitch at times but when you can't hear the sincerity and concern in my voice it's too easy for some to make incorrect assumptions based on personal experience. Rather unfortunate detail of the online world...and thus my point all along.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 9:22:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: theRose4U

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I think that that what you said is a little harsh? are you upset about the fact that me made you look stupid because of your first pointless post on this thread, frankly I have never seen anything on the boards her quite as rude as what you have just wrote.


OK for starters...bitter much? Is this really all about YOU maybe? Second I neither look or feel stupid about my first post. If you can physically hold a ball against the wall using just their nose, on all fours with their head against the floor then I will bow to the blissful holier than that you see in the mirror every morning. In the english language people commonly use commas to seperate parts of the same position. Other times they use it as he explained. As I still read this it was all part of the same position and thus my gumby mind started twisting.
Thank you for making my point that sometimes people must clarify what they mean as typing does not always allow for an appropriate expression of what people mean. Really, I would hate to think that the tone of your post really meant that you were trying AGAIN to be a holier than thou jerk when you're this new to the party. But hey what I do I know? I'm just the stupid person with years of real life experience under their belt and a live boy at my feet. I wish you and all of your cyber girls the best.


First of all if you go back and check you will see that there clearly is a comma separating the two points he was making it appears to make perfect sense when read in its entirety though that appears to be something you are clearly lacking, secondly you do look stupid because of your first post you baselessly attacked him on a point of grammar rather than making an attempt to answer his question. Believe me when I say I don’t need to try to be a holier than thou jerk, it is a position I naturally occupy and one I quite like being in. it’s a shame you cant accept your obvious tendency to holier than thouness, if you do you might be able to use it to actually help, inform and defend people rather than just using it to mock peoples ability to spell and use it as a way of telling people why you are so much better than everyone else. Personally I would rather be what I am than someone who goes around attacking people on points of grammar rather than trying to help them and then going on to insult and belittle someone when they correct me on it, what do you think that makes you?

I would have expected such a self crowned well versed fabulous uber Domme such as yourself to have apologised to him when you are clearly in the wrong rather than just using the excuse that I stood up for him as an excuse to attack me also. I would have also expected such a super fabulous perfect super domme such as yourself to have actually tried to offer some helpful advice to him rather than just belittling him in the rather pathetic vain hope that you might gain some sort of self gratifying kick out of just randomly insulting him which is what you clearly were doing.

On a personal note I would advise you not to make any assumptions about my level of experience since you are more likely to embarrass yourself even more than you already just have. With regards to you telling me to continue to play with my online girls I think I should point out that you are making a totally baseless assumption, though that appears to be something you excel at, I am gay and I tend to play with real-time boys I might be quite young though to be fair so are you, I have a significant amount of experience in what I do and I try to use it to help other people.

I do hope the grammar and spelling in this post meet you exacting standards though I am sure you will be petty enough to point out any mistakes if it does not.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 9:26:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: theRose4U

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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And btw, I only play real time hunny.. why the attack on me? If you don't like my opinion you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


and btw honey, I have played both ...  so why the attack on  me? If you don't like my opinions you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


I never attacked you


and I dont believe I attacked you...  so we can leave it at that or go back and find instances... pretty silly really.. its just a forum with personal opinions.


Thus again making my point that online loses something in translation without voice inflection, facial movements and tone to convey meaning. I may be a bitch at times but when you can't hear the sincerity and concern in my voice it's too easy for some to make incorrect assumptions based on personal experience. Rather unfortunate detail of the online world...and thus my point all along.


Rose, I fail to see your point here.  julia and I have never communicated before, we have no idea of each others fun/sarcasm/viciousness in the words spoken so far.  I can make an assessment, and that is julia making her point about her impression of online, and I am making mine.  Its no biggie.  If we continued exchanges we would probably be able to assess each other far better ...  strangely ya know.. just like reallife.  In r/l people say things in a tone we can't read, some do it intentionally, some don't, but the truth is, it takes time to know another in r/l as well or you can make some vary bad readings!

I guess that at this stage julia thinks I'm a bit of a pigheaded git...  no worries, I am at times.  But having detected that in me, she has failed to see she has done the same.  In reality, we sorta came out equal...  and guess what...  same result in r/l!

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 12:28:47 PM   
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It cracks me up that the people standing up for this guy are saying:
"All you did was insult him and not answer his questions."

When all they did was stand up for him, and not answer his question.

Pot, meet kettle.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 1:13:49 PM   
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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 1:17:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

BDSM 101,... subs require aftercare... can't give it if you aren't there...no matter what you say about RACK... Im more of a SSC sort of gal. If you are the type of dom that goes around not caring about what happens to a sub you launched into subspace I suppose nothing I could say to you would change your mind. So there you are.

And btw, I only play real time hunny.. why the attack on me? If you don't like my opinion you could still be respectful of the experience behind it...


You can give aftercare via the telephone, a sweet note, the right tone and the right words.  Not all submissives are so needy that they will drop into a black hole if they don't get the right cuddle time.  More importantly, those subs that seek online/long distance play should KNOW this before getting involved in it.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 1:26:18 PM   
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It is interesting to watch these online/webcam/phone threads explode into the same drama again and again -- mostly, those who love the opportunity to look down on those that do online play or proudly boast, "WHY would you go from real life to online play?" -- as if real life play is the end all, be all of dominance and submission, and anyone who chooses to explore this new medium and maximize its use to the full extenst for sexual pleasure must be invalids.

What this tells me is that there are some people, who may or may not even play in real life, who have such a lack of innovation, creativity and drive that they cannot find any use for this medium.  What limited imagimation!  What limited sexual creativity!!  What does this say about your ability to think outside the box? 

God forbid, what if you were forced to explore power exchange for a week without the use of toys or props, or code words or outfits?  Would you be stifled then, unable to get your partner wet, get yourself off or find anything exciting to do?

I've explore bondage, humiliation and pain in real life, real time since I was old enough to be sensually/sexually aware. I've also explored online, web cam, digital camera, telephone domination at the same time -- with and without partners I've been coupled with in the flesh.  Ever heard of business trips?  Being apart for a couple of weeks?  What if your partner was horny and she was in another country for 10 days, are you too limited in brainpower to figure out how the use of the telephone and a live video feed can be exciting and orgasmic to fill the void until she returns?

The online vs. real life debate just gives "real lifers" the opportunity to feel superior for a little bit.  Meanwhile, it shows just how little they can provide in the way of sexual passion and creativity when they are given a few challenges to work around.  I've had some online/web cam/phone male subs that were *mindblowing* because they *were* able to make me orgasm from that limited scope. 

Would I replace real life with online/phone?  Hell no.  But I certainly don't ignore this medium as a way to really get my rocks off. 

Pssst...guess what? I live with my partner 24/7 and I *still* from time to time have phone sex with him, make him create exceptionally nasty and humiliating videos for me and use the web cam if I am out of town on business. It doesn't make my panties any less wet when he's pushing my buttons, and it makes it all the more hot when I return to "catch up" in the flesh.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 2:54:28 PM   
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If you look carefully you will see that no body actually raised any valid points they all just bitched at him, asked him personal questions and tried to explain why what they do is so much better than what he does. All he wanted was some basic advice and guidance and all he got was random abuse criticism and personal attacks.



If you go back over the quote I included you will see that he did indeed say that everybody on more than online forum brought up points about legality, safety, etc, and were negative.

He said:
quote:

I don't want to sound rude here, because I am a newcomer to this forum, but the responses I have recieved so far are the exact reason I left the last online forum I belonged to.  Every response I get has been negative, in some regard, either the person not getting the training techniques I use, saying how they don't like online play, or questioning the legality of it. 


I simply asked if he'd actually taken the fact that so many people responded this way into consideration. Usually, if many people tell me the same thing I begin to think it may have some validity to it.

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