RE: Uncle Sam's Traveling Circus on the road again?

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Sanity -> RE: Uncle Sam's Traveling Circus on the road again? (8/22/2012 5:54:13 AM)
Are you really that... uninformed about Russian and Chinese involvement in Vietnam Mark And why arent you over in the Obama Draws A Red Line In The Sand thread screaming "four more wars" with the rest of your crew quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Tom, Hitler declared war on us, perhaps you forgot? So, the division of a country as in Viet Nam in support of Colonialism by the French, that had nothing to do with the war in Viet Nam, it was all Ho Chi Minh's desire to squash capitalism? Why that Godless Communist! Not too big on the history of such things as the French involvement in SE Asia are you? Dien Bin Phu? The Michelin Plantations? Edward Lansdale? The CIA? It could have been avoided, it should have been avoided and it wasn't worth the cost involved! You seem to like those unfunded wars Tom....then bitch about the Government's budget?...Just a tad bit incongruent, isn't it? Viet Nam's cost was directly linked to the recession of the 70's....Hmmmm....makes you wonder a bit about why we would repeat the process in Iraq and Afghanistan....

Musicmystery -> RE: Uncle Sam's Traveling Circus on the road again? (8/22/2012 5:59:37 AM)
Sanity the Peacenik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ Except for the R wars.

tweakabelle -> RE: Uncle Sam's Travelling Circus on the road agaiin? (8/22/2012 8:01:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: The "Cold War" was a serious matter It was, at the time. That time ended about 30 years ago. So it's safe for you to stop fighting it. Why not enjoy the bounty of peace instead of trying to start another one with Muslims? Do you even know what peace is? Sanity A leftists definition of peace - "The absence of war" As in, allowing psychopaths such as Joseph Stalin, Kim Jong Il or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to have literally everything they could possibly want You were asked "Do you even know what peace is?". Your post doesn't begin to answer that question. No one asked you what your fantasy of a leftist's definition of peace might be. You were asked to describe YOUR understanding of peace. So once again, Sanity: Q. DO YOU KNOW WHAT PEACE IS? If so please share your vision of what peace is with us thanks Please, no more evasions, red herrings, dissembling or diversions. Just a straightforward answer to a straightforward question thanks.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Uncle Sam's Travelling Circus on the road agaiin? (8/22/2012 5:22:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad In doing so, the US also managed to commit suicide, although the method was a slow and painful one that takes maybe 20-30 years to kill a nation, and so far it's only been eleven years. Fortunately for the late OBL, his staunch supporters in the USA are fighting hard to prevent BO or anyone else from administering any of the various well tested and widely available antidotes. I'm afraid you're right, Aswad. [sm=sad.gif]

Aswad -> RE: Uncle Sam's Travelling Circus on the road agaiin? (8/22/2012 7:44:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking I'm afraid you're right, Aswad. As am I. When it comes to these things, I love to be wrong. Unfortunately, whether it's about the US or another trend, there's this tendency for people who assume I am wrong to come back some time later to say "you were right." and thus leaving me with the least satisfying and most joyless vindication one can have. Believe it or not, I actually grew up revering the US, even though the rot had set in already. A romanticized image, to be sure, but close enough to still care. It probably hurts me more to see a childhood hero tarnished than it does most of the people living there. I'm not criticizing it to taunt, but because I see a nation that could truly be great, choosing not to be. As it stands, I'm inclined to think even we might get our shit together up here before the US does over there. That's a really sad thought. IWYW, — Aswad.

atursvcMaam -> RE: Uncle Sam's Travelling Circus on the road agaiin? (8/22/2012 9:35:46 PM)
Peace is being Powerful enough that your enemies fear attacking you. Wise enough to discern among enemies, allies, and friends. Magnanamous enough to have your allies and friends respect you and for your enemies to work towards a more allied relationship with you. Openminded enough to develop alliances and friendships but not so openminded that your brains run out. This might not guarantee peace but is more balanced than simple absence of conflict (while everyone reloads), Peace through superior firepower, or the peace of surrender.

SilverMark -> RE: Uncle Sam's Travelling Circus on the road agaiin? (8/23/2012 4:56:40 AM)
Oh please Tom, yes after we traveled a few thousand miles to butt into a country's business our enemies lined up on the "other" side, imagine that? You ignore the history involved and are justifying our wrong actions by another's reaction to what we did! Had to support that colonialism there!...REALLY? The issue goes much deeper than our involvment through the 60's, check into our support of the French in SE Asia....a little Bernard Fall go do you well!

Aswad -> RE: Uncle Sam's Travelling Circus on the road agaiin? (8/23/2012 10:41:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam This might not guarantee peace but is more balanced than simple absence of conflict (while everyone reloads), Peace through superior firepower, or the peace of surrender. I'm not even remotely sure what this had to do with the topic at hand, let alone the post you replied to. My contention is that the US has put itself in a position where the country is going to have no choice but to follow a course of action that leads it to ruin at best, unless there are major changes along the way, most of which would have to come from BO. Note that I'm not disagreeing with the statement itself, except I would note that in today's world, power is more than firepower. For one thing, you need to be able to sustain that firepower without decimating your country. You need economy, logistics, food and water, among other things. At the moment, this is a real problem for you. And a deterrent is about more than power. It has to do with there also being automatic losses to an attacker, not just the whole mutually assured destruction thing, which is only useful in the event of a total loss scenario. IWYW, — Aswad.

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