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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/24/2012 7:00:00 PM

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DS, even granting your explanation of the Judge's motives in full, there remains the fact that his fears are totally delusional, without any possible basis in reality.

I am not arguing against that at all. I agree with you.

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The UN doesn't do invasions, it doesn't possess a standing army nor, AFAIK, is it potentially capable of either. Not only has the UN never controlled the sovereignty of any country, it has never sought to do so. The thought of a UN takeover of American sovereignty is preposterous.

<cough, cough> Libya <cough, cough>

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but the "UN invasion" the Judge was talking about was the UN coming to quell the insurrection against the US government, not as a takeover of the US government. Piddly point, but while we're agreeing the scenario is fantastic fiction fodder, we may as well not mis-state what was said.

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A nation's sovereignty is considered inalienable. Any arrangements freely entered into between Obama and the UN are subject to the US Constitution via the Supreme Court, which will automatically reject any infringement on US sovereignty. US sovereignty is not the President's to give away or otherwise compromise.

Now, here we have a bit of disagreement. Through treaty after treaty we sign with the UN, we give up a bit of our sovereignty. It's like mission creep, but UN creep.

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On any logical reading, there's far more chance of my meeting the Man on the Moon than the Judge's fears materialising. His fears are a Right wing delusion/fantasy and IMHO good grounds for fearing for the Judge's mental competence. On their own, his expressed fears are sufficient grounds for barring him from any public office until his mental issues have been successfully dealt with.
To put that slightly differently, on the available evidence, this person is not capable of making correct considered judgements on political matters at the moment. Allowing him to continue in his current office is insane. It is not in the best interests of either the body politic or the judge.

Allowing him to stay on the bench is not insane. We do have quite an appellate process. Think of how many more jobs this guy could be creating for lawyers!

lmao I disagree that he needs to be taken off the bench. Let the voters do that. If he's off his rocker, he'll be brought down.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/24/2012 8:22:17 PM

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Libya was much like any US intervention, except it had international support and was based on the idea that Qadaffi shouldn't be allowed to massacre his own people. The intervention was carried out by an alliance of nations and not exactly led by the UN, on whose security council the USA has a permanent seat with veto rights. Veto rights is why there is no intervention in Syria, as the resolution was vetoed by Russia and China.

The UN has no standing army, but a lot of NATO countries are willing to supply manpower for a mission, and whether the target is a member state or not is irrelevant. Norway is one of the countries to supply forces to most UN operations, and generally in a peacekeeping, monitoring or humanitarian capacity. We have, however, also participated in combat missions. A prominent example being precisely Libya, were we provided a lot of precision bombing work. For peacekeeping and humanitarian efforts, the most recent example is Afghanistan, where I'm proud to say Rune Solberg (CO of Meymaneh camp in Faryab province) has probably done more for peace in the region than just about any ten politicians there or abroad ever did. As a sidebar, Faryab is where the Taliban is at its strongest, although it's not where they direct most of their attacks.

Anyway, I'm figuring the idea of some vikings at the door isn't seriously scaring anyone in the US.

So, no, the UN isn't a big deal in that regard.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/24/2012 8:31:09 PM

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"He's going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the (United Nations), and what is going to happen when that happens?," Head asked the station during a Monday interview. "I'm thinking the worst. Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war maybe. And we're not just talking a few riots here and demonstrations, we're talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms and get rid of the guy."

Which guy? Romney is hardly ever in Massachusetts. Wait.. You mean Obama? We're a BLUE STATE. Only thing we're gonna do is make sure that satellite feed of his concession speech makes it out of the ballroom of the Ritz Carlton right on time.

Imagine being beaten like a runaway sister-wife in your home state.

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