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farglebargle -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 11:49:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Restyles


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ORIGINAL: smartsub10

Romney and Ryan both come from money...lots of it. They have zero concept of not being able to pay for something they need. I believe most of us have been through a period in our lives when we wondered if we pay for the major car repair will we have enough money for rent or food. Mitt and Paul have NEVER experienced that and therefore it never enters their minds that there are people out there who struggle every day just for the basic necessities.


Ryan came from money? I think you need to read a bit more about the death of his father and his job selling hot dogs.


So, what you're saying is that Paul Ryan didn't have a problem accepting and using SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS when it helped him and his family?




farglebargle -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 11:51:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I have to wonder where smartsub might have heard this ? A liberal friend no doubt who has no clue about either Ryan's or Romney's background. 


What else do you need to know about Romney other than his allegience is to his church and not his nation?

If he loved America, he would have volunteered to go to Viet-nam.

That, and he's STUPID ENOUGH to believe the bullshit in the Book of Moron...

Or do YOU believe that ancient jews built boats and sailed from the middle-east to America, or that the Garden of Eden was in Missouri?




SlipSlidingAway -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 11:51:45 AM)

I have to agree with Hillwilliam on this one.  I don't fin Ryan all that unlikable.  He seems affable, intelligent, and like a guy who is very committed to his moral compass.  I certainly can respect that.

However, his moral compass and mine?  Not even on the same continent.  I could likely be friends with the guy.  It's politicizing his beliefs and trying to make them into policy that is the problem.

See, that's my issue with conservatives.  As far as I know liberals are not trying to force people to have abortions.  There is no agenda to make gays get married.  They are not requiring that anyone watch porn.  Is it really that frightening a prospect for such a large portion of the population that people might think, and  act, on their own accord?  Why the push for such a homogeneous populace? 

It's the limiting of freedoms that I have issues with.  I am an adult, I can make my own informed decisions and don't need any government entity trying to do that for me. 




DesideriScuri -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 12:58:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SlipSlidingAway
I have to agree with Hillwilliam on this one.  I don't fin Ryan all that unlikable.  He seems affable, intelligent, and like a guy who is very committed to his moral compass.  I certainly can respect that.
However, his moral compass and mine?  Not even on the same continent.  I could likely be friends with the guy.  It's politicizing his beliefs and trying to make them into policy that is the problem.
See, that's my issue with conservatives.  As far as I know liberals are not trying to force people to have abortions.  There is no agenda to make gays get married.  They are not requiring that anyone watch porn.  Is it really that frightening a prospect for such a large portion of the population that people might think, and  act, on their own accord?  Why the push for such a homogeneous populace? 
It's the limiting of freedoms that I have issues with.  I am an adult, I can make my own informed decisions and don't need any government entity trying to do that for me. 


My problem with the Democrats and some Republicans, is that they are allowing people to make decisions without paying for the decisions made. I have no problem with someone choosing to get an abortion. I just don't want any of my money to go pay for their abortion. I oppose unequal rights. Of all sorts. That includes things like Affirmative Action, Crony Capitalism (which is what we have), and political pork to "buy" re-election (which we have an overabundance of from both Parties).

Liberals want to raise taxes. Great. Why aren't you paying more taxes to the US than you are required to by the IRS? The Liberals will only do things if everyone is made to do them.





DomKen -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 1:52:09 PM)

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Ryan probably isn't an unplesant person. He's simply a product of his very protected rearing.

He does come from money and he never had to worry about anything. The only job he's ever held outside of politics was working for the family construction business as a 'marketing consultant.' When he read Ayn Rand he never had that moment where he realized that by her standards he should be starving in the street. His career outside being an obscure Congressman from rural Wisconsin was as a very minor flack and speechwriter in various right wing think tanks.

That's why he does so poorly in the mainstream media and now mostly avoids it. He simply has no experience with people who disagree with him who have the power to actually say so.




tazzygirl -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 1:54:44 PM)

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Smartsub, Paul Ryan didn't come from a wealthy family. Quite the contrary. He grew up in a very modest home in the small town of Janesville, Wi. His father died while he was a teenager.


Ryan was born and raised in Janesville, Wisconsin, the youngest of the four children of Elizabeth A. "Betty" (née Hutter) and Paul Murray Ryan, a lawyer.[8][9][10] His father was of Irish ancestry and his mother is of German and English ancestry.[11] He is a fifth-generation Wisconsinite. Some antecedents of Ryan's family arrived in Wisconsin prior to the Civil War.[12] Ryan's great-grandfather, Patrick William Ryan (1858–1917), founded an earthmoving company in 1884, which later became P. W. Ryan and Sons and is now known as Ryan Incorporated Central.[13][14][15] However, Paul Ryan's branch of the family has not been involved with the company.[12] Ryan's grandfather was an attorney who was appointed U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Wisconsin by President Calvin Coolidge.[16]

When he was 16, he found his 55-year-old father dead in bed of a heart attack.[6] His grandfather and great-grandfather also died from heart attacks, at ages 57 and 59 respectively, inspiring Ryan's later interest in health and exercise.[16] After his father's death, Ryan's grandmother, who suffered from Alzheimer's disease, moved in with his family and he helped care for her.[6] His father's death provided Ryan with Social Security survivor's benefits until his 18th birthday, which he saved to pay for his college education.[22][23][24]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan

Son of a lawyer... family with a huge company

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Ryan Incorporated Central has been shaping the earth since 1884. The Company started in Janesville, Wisconsin with a team of mules building railroad embankment in Southern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois. As it grew, it added road work and mining in the early 1900's. By the 1940's the Company had become a full-service grading contractor serving both private industrial and public transportation customers, including some of the original work at what would become O'Hare Airport. During the 1970's and 1980's, Ryan expanded its services to include landfill construction and waste remediation, and in the 1990's added golf course construction. Today, Ryan Incorporated Central is one of the nation's premier mass excavation and site-work contractors with expertise in residential, commercial, transportation, entertainment, energy and environmental work. This including extensive experience in power and industrial site-work, state-of-the-art municipal and industrial landfill construction and capping and full service golf course construction. The Company's project size ranges in dollar value from $10,000 to $50,000,000.


http://www.ryancentral.com/history.html

To imply he had a "modest" upbringing is beyond ridiculous.




Hillwilliam -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:06:23 PM)

That Ryan guy, he sure is a go getter. This is from his bio.

During his 13 years in the House, he has sponsored some 71 bills or amendments,[52] of which two were ultimately enacted into law.[53] One, passed in July 2000, renamed a post office in Ryan's district; the other, passed in December 2008, lowered the excise tax on arrow shafts.

Last 12+ years...........NUTHIN.

Renamed his post office and got the excise tax on arrow shafts lowered. That's the guy that some folks claim will help get us out of this mess?

Seeing as how the VP position is 99+% ceremonial, he might be perfect for it.




tazzygirl -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:15:10 PM)

Ryan won his seat in 1998, at the age of twenty-eight. Like many young conservatives, he is embarrassed by the Bush years. At the time, as a junior member with little clout, Ryan was a reliable Republican vote for policies that were key in causing enormous federal budget deficits: sweeping tax cuts, a costly prescription-drug entitlement for Medicare, two wars, the multibillion-dollar bank-bailout legislation known as TARP. In all, five trillion dollars was added to the national debt. In 2006 and 2008, many of Ryan’s older Republican colleagues were thrown out of office as a result of lobbying scandals and overspending. Ryan told me recently that, as a fiscal conservative, he was “miserable during the last majority” and is determined “to do everything I can to make sure I don’t feel that misery again.”

In 2009, Ryan was striving to reintroduce himself as someone true to his ideological roots and capable of reversing his party’s reputation for fiscal profligacy. A generation of Republican leaders was gone. Ryan had already jumped ahead of more senior colleagues to become the top Republican on the House Budget Committee, and it was his job to pick apart Obama’s tax and spending plans. At the table in his office, Ryan pointed out the gimmicks that Presidents use to hide costs and conceal policy details. He deconstructed Obama’s early health-care proposal and attacked his climate-change plan. Obama’s budget “makes our tax code much less competitive,” he said, as if reading from a script. “It makes it harder for businesses to survive in the global economy, for people to save for their own retirement, and it grows our debt tremendously.” He added, “It just takes the poor trajectory our country’s fiscal state is on and exacerbates it.”


Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza#ixzz24V5YOBuR

Interesting, no?




kalikshama -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:23:58 PM)

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I just don't want any of my money to go pay for their abortion.


In 2009, there were 331 abortions paid for by Medicaid under the Hyde Amendment exceptions for rape, incest, and to save the mother's life.

Contrast this to the $155.1 billion Estimated War-Related Costs, Iraq and Afghanistan, FY 2009.

Do you agree with Akin and Ryan that only forcible rapes should be excluded from the Hyde amendment that bars the use of federal funds to pay for abortions or would you completely do away with the rape and incest and saving the mother's life exceptions?

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tazzygirl -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:26:44 PM)

Oh, but its only his money that pays for that. It goes straight from his paycheck into that fund, and he can decide, exclusively, what gets done with it.




SlipSlidingAway -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:39:16 PM)

Americans, in general, bitch and whine about taxes on both sides.   We pay less in taxes than most other affluent nations.  Everybody here has a sense of entitlement, but nobody is willing to pay into the programs they want.  It's the way we have been raised, it's our collective mindset.

Honestly, you are worried about whether or not the average citizen pays their fair share for what the programs they support?  They should pay "more" than required by the IRS?  All the while those who are affluent, know their way around tax laws and such, should be able to squirrel away money in foreign tax exempt accounts while paying far less percentage-wise than they should?   They keep their money OUT of our economy and cut services to the folks who ARE paying their share?  Why do you suppose Mitt is so opposed to releasing those tax returns?  Because, he knows that he paid far less than he should have.  He just does not want the voters to have PROOF of it...

You know, it's easy to be cavalier about cutting services when you have the money to take care of things privately.  If one of the women in Ryan's family gets raped you REALLY think he's going to make her carry that child to term?  Hell no.  Law or no law, people like him don't have to play by the same rules. It will all take place behind closed doors, hush-hushed, paid for privately.  The privileged among us have always operated that way.  They always will. 





SternSkipper -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:44:28 PM)

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Ryan's voucher will allow anyone under 55 to buy the same fucking coverage that federal employees have, and this is a bad thing?


Total BULLSHIT. You have absolutely ZERO proof that vouchers will allow ANY Medicare recipient to afford even sub-standard healthcare.

Awaiting ANY Proof.




SternSkipper -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:47:29 PM)

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If one of the women in Ryan's family gets raped you REALLY think he's going to make her carry that child to term? Hell no. Law or no law, people like him don't have to play by the same rules. It will all take place behind closed doors, hush-hushed, paid for privately. The privileged among us have always operated that way. They always will.


So there's no reason to even re-elect the fucker to Congress, let alone the executive branch.




SternSkipper -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:54:16 PM)

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Make up our fucking minds, either the republicans are cock blocking obstructionists, or they're spending money hand over fist... Which is it?


Ah ... Oh Please... tell us how one precludes the other. They are being pointedly obstructionist. If it benefits or seems to President Obama, They BLOCK. If it's to fund up Halliburton they are all over it. U&unfortunately Rob, the world doesn't run on simplistic "either/or" principles you apparently feel they operate under.




SlipSlidingAway -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 2:58:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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If one of the women in Ryan's family gets raped you REALLY think he's going to make her carry that child to term? Hell no. Law or no law, people like him don't have to play by the same rules. It will all take place behind closed doors, hush-hushed, paid for privately. The privileged among us have always operated that way. They always will.


So there's no reason to even re-elect the fucker to Congress, let alone the executive branch.



It's not just Ryan, though, it's all of the people like him.  They protect their women, just like everyone else wants to.  I really doubt they are going to raise one of those little rape blessing babies they speak so highly of.   Now, there ARE people who would, and if they can do that- more power to 'em!  Nobody is telling THOSE people they ~have~ to abort. 

However, the vast majority of people in that situation are going to end up being hypocrites.   They HAVE to be.  After all, with the belief that good girls who get raped don't really get pregnant, what kind of disgrace would it be for a wife or daughter to end up with a rapist's baby bump?  Much better to make it all go away long before she shows.  That's why all of these politicians are in a daze thinking shit like that doesn't happen.  Because it doesn't happen in THEIR world.  It's swept under a carpet and never spoken of again.   Nobody in that world needs to prove it was a forcible rape, because Daddy's or Hubby's money is going to make it all go away...









Restyles -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 4:58:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: Restyles


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ORIGINAL: smartsub10

Romney and Ryan both come from money...lots of it. They have zero concept of not being able to pay for something they need. I believe most of us have been through a period in our lives when we wondered if we pay for the major car repair will we have enough money for rent or food. Mitt and Paul have NEVER experienced that and therefore it never enters their minds that there are people out there who struggle every day just for the basic necessities.


Ryan came from money? I think you need to read a bit more about the death of his father and his job selling hot dogs.


So, what you're saying is that Paul Ryan didn't have a problem accepting and using SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS when it helped him and his family?


Why should he have a problem with it? Why should you? Thats precisely what the benefit was designed for.




tazzygirl -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 5:00:13 PM)

Because if you decry something as being detrimental to the country, shouldnt you avoid that very thing?




farglebargle -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 11:20:09 PM)

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They protect their women,


"their" women???

First off, it's the 21st Century. Women aren't property anymore.

Secondly, Women don't *need to be* protected anymore. They're not property.




tazzygirl -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 11:24:10 PM)

lol... That wasnt me.




hlen5 -> RE: How can anyone like Paul Ryan? (8/24/2012 11:30:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

........ I can't understand how anyone can vote for Romney when he picked Ryan as his running mate.............




I know, isn't it great!!![:)][:D]




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