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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/4/2004 11:26:27 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I find the slashed W/we convention annoying because it's hard to read, but I understand why people do it.

The convention of using capitalized words for doms and lower-case words for subs doesn't annoy me because it's not hard to read; I don't do it--and find those doms who capitalize themselves ("My," "Me," etc.) kinda pretentious--but live and let live.

And I don't find anything wrong with having a sub use the third person. Isn't that a personal choice--or at least a decision that's between a sub and his or her dom? Other people's opinions about it shouldn't matter.

Lam

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 6:35:14 AM   
MaitresseEden


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Don't ya'll just find it interesting that NO ONE LIKES IT... Let's start a new trend. Boycotting and casitigating the "/" . All in favor say aye/I/i/eye/OY!

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 7:19:00 AM   
liljoy


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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 8:22:09 AM   
smile2cu


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Don't ya'll just find it interesting that NO ONE LIKES IT...
I personally dislike it. Incidentally that's I, not i. Even though I'm a sub, I didn't stop being a human being.
On the other hand, in a chat room, for instance, a lowercase username is useful in identifying oneself as a sub.

The I/i W/we business is just plain A/annoying!

So another vote for aye/I/i/eye/OY!

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 11:57:59 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		long ago, before internet role-playing games, this slave remembers back to a time when D&D practitioner's were misunderstood and even persecuted by zealots who proclaimed it silly, annoying, even dangerous to young minds, akin to the ouija board or tarot cards. better not bring any dice with more than six sides out or even reference the game's vernacular.."hey, joe are we slinging tonight? are you going to DM this time?" overhearing that, someone could have thought we were holding a play party for BDSM enthusiasts, or selling drugs, but what most seemed to find particularly annoying to the point of damning it were those folks who did not "get it". they did not understand how anyone could play or find fun a game in which your imagination, inventiveness and vocabulary were the "board and pieces". thankfully, commonly accepted usage, grammar, punctuation and spelling of the english language were not a prerequisite for participation and were saved for some sort of class one might be taking, or a requisite duty of employment, outside of D&D. this slave has always had a hard time explaining how a game could have such a variety of characters and interactive scenarios that were individually created, or be put "on pause", or the validity of words and abbreviations that mean one thing in the world we live in, but another in the world we play in before the advent of internet role-playing games. it seems a bit easier for people to understand the concepts now.....or is it?
this slave has found it more difficult to read a post due to judgemental attitudes, spelling errors or bad sentence mechanics more often than she has difficulty weeding through the /'s or third person speech.
it has already been mentioned that some type this way to be respectful of their Master's wishes. how sad that so many of us jump to flaming dismissal of them and their Masters simply because we think we have superior language skills in an environment where "proper" english is neither required nor expected in order to participate.

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 3:34:45 PM   
Suleiman


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
this slave has found it more difficult to read a post due to judgemental attitudes, spelling errors or bad sentence mechanics more often than she has difficulty weeding through the /'s or third person speech.
it has already been mentioned that some type this way to be respectful of their Master's wishes. how sad that so many of us jump to flaming dismissal of them and their Masters simply because we think we have superior language skills in an environment where "proper" english is neither required nor expected in order to participate.


That is, of course, an excellent point, and I do apologize if my fable was deemed inflammatory. I had merely intended to give some background for where it came from and why I did not hold to the convention myself, but I occasionally enjoy playing with words a bit too much, and may have used more than were needed.


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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 7:44:26 PM   
afmvdp


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Status: offline 		I don't really think the general mood was a flame towards people who do it, more of a personal preference against such from their own mindset. If it is something that for some reason a dom/me may expect or something that a submissive feels most comfortable with then so be it. I don't think anyone here believes that it should be overruled and ridden out of town to those who prefer it, just a bit of insight to be shared as to why it exists in the first place which considering the question asked that started this post, was in good reason.

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 7:57:48 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		I will say that I have the very, very long term habit of using upper and lower case. It is how I was taught. In fact, I have joked about it Myself, in that I have a difficult time when writing a vanilla letter. It is a mental dynamic, and if a slave is owned by Me, the journal writing is to be in that format. And that is handwritten. How do I hear the caps in daily speech? Hopefully, the respect in their voice. It reinforces the submission.
On the other hand, I have a difficult time with those who use the third person and/or are bowing and scraping and groveling and kneeling at My "holy feet". This is not a catch all for everyone who uses the third person, so please don't come after Me for that statement. But I do receive a lot of email where slaves refer to themselves as "it" etc. Puleez! You are human, and I am human too. But this is something I read everyday, and it doesn't bother Me either way. Everybody has their own comfort level.
In chat, on these message boards, I do not give a hoot. Some people prefer it as they feel it helps to define who they are in a faceless world with only a keyboard for communication. I have been insulted by other Dommes as I have not acknowledged their Superiority online and immediately recognized their station. Again, Puleez!
I am Goddess DustyGold. It tells My name and My style of D/s. I am plain old Dusty to y'all...if you like.
Sorry for the caps. Old habits, as they say.

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 11/5/2004 7:58:11 PM >

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 9:23:16 PM   
rubytuesday


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Status: offline 		Its been really interesting reading the posts about this and it has enlightened me considerably - everyone has different ways of expressing themselves and this is just one. I know if I read anything that involves the use of W/we etc it I understand more about those that choose to use it. Very similar to when I correspond with friends and family who are computer illiterate and I have to stop myself before using abbreviations like lol or lmao for example becuase they will think Im just plain weird (and they could be right) - thank you for the input and the answer to my question.....................................you are all a veritable mine of information one way or another and I say that sincerely *smile*

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/5/2004 10:46:17 PM   
afmvdp


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Status: offline 		See now in juxtaposition to your view, I have absolutely nothing wrong with the seperation of self that is familar to some very devout submissives. It is done normally as an act of absolute submission they submit even their idenity, thus they become whatever it is that would best please their counterpart. Again, not something that I normally try to instill into someone but I very much respect those who do it for the intended reason behind it. This also is something I've found more common among the remnants of old bbs chat that still exist these days.

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/6/2004 10:16:22 AM   
Mercnbeth


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I do apologize if my fable was deemed inflammatory


no apology necessary, suleiman, this slave feels that it is she that owes the apology to u as she did not intend to reply to your post in particular and a misunderstanding occurred. this slave was just adding her comments to the thread about the original post and some of the replies and in haste neglected to go to the end of the thread to do it. this slave finds your talent as a wordsmith enjoyable and appreciates your insights and background information on this topic as well as other topics for discussion here at CM.

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/6/2004 1:11:54 PM   
Nvernilla


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Status: offline 		Isn't there a dictionary of bdsm terms? when I first got on line I had questions too. Ive also found that on different isp's terminology is different

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/6/2004 2:58:51 PM   
proudsub


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quote:

Isn't there a dictionary of bdsm terms? when I first got on line I had questions too. Ive also found that on different isp's terminology is different


This might help:

Lifestyle definitions

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/6/2004 6:06:30 PM   
Suleiman


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
no apology necessary, suleiman, this slave feels that it is she that owes the apology to u as she did not intend to reply to your post in particular and a misunderstanding occurred.



Apology may not be nessesary, but is often appreciated, and does well to avoid misunderstanding. While I frequently disregard my upbringing, I was raised to be a gentleman, and a gentleman, upon finding that he may have offered slight without intending to, will most assuredly offer apologies without further hesitation. As I am fond of these boards and the people who frequent them, I am perfectly willing to offer an apology even if unneeded, and consider it a point of honor and etiquette to do so.

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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/7/2004 5:43:35 AM   
Laura


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ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

Personally speaking, the only function it serves is to degenerate the english language and annoy the crap out of me!.

Ms. Eden


Exactly! Especially when they don't use capitals (or punctuation) anywhere else in their text. Bad grammar, punctuation and spelling are just bad grammar, punctuation and spelling. Yes, it's a personal choice. But to me it just looks ignorant. I'd rather have real submission, not illiterate typing.


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RE: Just a quick question about W/we etc :-) - 11/7/2004 5:58:05 AM   
Laura


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Status: offline 		Beth, I found your comments hard to read due to the lack of capital letters at the start of each sentence. I stopped reading before the halfway point.

You may have good points, ideas, etc but you need to communicate them in a way people can read them. That's what all the English rules are about - communication. You can choose to communicate or not. Communication is not just about sending a message, it's about having it received and understood too.

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