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RE: Just When You Think You've Seen The Worst Position ... - 8/26/2012 5:03:06 AM   
GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
He sorta undermines he religious position by saying he would use deadly force... Thou shalt not kill n all that.


Not at all, don't act like the religious right and pro death penalty groups aren't the same people. The standard interpretation by such people is that "Thou shalt not kill" is a typo and the passage actually reads:

New International Version (©1984)
"You shall not murder.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"You must not murder.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“You shall not murder.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"You shall not murder.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Never murder.

English Revised Version
Thou shalt do no murder.

World English Bible
"You shall not murder.

Young's Literal Translation
'Thou dost not murder.

In other words god's not pro life, you just need a reason to kill your fellow human beings.

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ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_murder#Justified_killing:_due_consequence_for_crime
Justified killing: due consequence for crime

The Torah and Hebrew Bible made clear distinctions between the shedding of innocent blood and killing as the due consequence of a crime. A number of sins were considered to be worthy of the death penalty including murder,[28] incest,[29] bearing false witness on a capital charge,[30] adultery,[31] idolatry,[32] etc.[18]

For example, the Exodus narrative describes the people as having turned to idolatry with the golden calf while Moses was on the mountain receiving the law from God. When Moses came down, he commanded the Levites to take up the sword against their brothers and companions and neighbors. The Levites obeyed and killed about three thousand men who had sinned in worship of the golden calf. As a result, Moses said that the Levites had received a blessing that day at the cost of son and brother.[33] On a separate occasion, a blasphemer was stoned to death because he blasphemed the name of the LORD with a curse.[34]

The Hebrew Bible has many other examples of sinners being put to death as due consequence for crimes. Achan is put to death by Joshua because he caused defeat of Israel’s army by taking some of the plunder and hiding it in his tent.[35][36] David ordered that an Amalekite be put to death because he claimed to have killed King Saul.[37] In his charge to his son Solomon, King David ordered him to deal with the bloodguilt of Joab, who had murdered Abner and Amasa.[38] Solomon ordered that Joab be killed...


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RE: Just When You Think You've Seen The Worst Position ... - 8/26/2012 5:51:56 AM   
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Has he actually dropped out? It ain't over til it's over...


I can't find anything that says he's dropped out.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/23/733481/szabo-abortion/?mobile=nc

Among those calling on Szabo to step down is New Hampshire’s Republican House Speaker Bill O’Brien. In a release, O’Brien wrote, “It is our hope that Mr. Szabo will withdraw from this race and think long and hard about grounding himself in constitutional law and principles before considering political office in the future.”

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RE: Just When You Think You've Seen The Worst Position ... - 8/26/2012 8:37:15 AM   
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He HASN'T. I hope I didn't create confusion by wishing for that out loud.

He's actually (like most errant of the Tea Party Putrid candidates, dead set on cheapening the political process in his county by hanging on through a HUMILIATING AND VERY PUBLIC DEFEAT. It's what they do.


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RE: Just When You Think You've Seen The Worst Position ... - 8/26/2012 10:18:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
He sorta undermines he religious position by saying he would use deadly force... Thou shalt not kill n all that.


Not at all, don't act like the religious right and pro death penalty groups aren't the same people. The standard interpretation by such people is that "Thou shalt not kill" is a typo and the passage actually reads:

New International Version (©1984)
"You shall not murder.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"You must not murder.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“You shall not murder.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"You shall not murder.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Never murder.

English Revised Version
Thou shalt do no murder.

World English Bible
"You shall not murder.

Young's Literal Translation
'Thou dost not murder.

In other words god's not pro life, you just need a reason to kill your fellow human beings.

quote:

ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_murder#Justified_killing:_due_consequence_for_crime
Justified killing: due consequence for crime

The Torah and Hebrew Bible made clear distinctions between the shedding of innocent blood and killing as the due consequence of a crime. A number of sins were considered to be worthy of the death penalty including murder,[28] incest,[29] bearing false witness on a capital charge,[30] adultery,[31] idolatry,[32] etc.[18]

For example, the Exodus narrative describes the people as having turned to idolatry with the golden calf while Moses was on the mountain receiving the law from God. When Moses came down, he commanded the Levites to take up the sword against their brothers and companions and neighbors. The Levites obeyed and killed about three thousand men who had sinned in worship of the golden calf. As a result, Moses said that the Levites had received a blessing that day at the cost of son and brother.[33] On a separate occasion, a blasphemer was stoned to death because he blasphemed the name of the LORD with a curse.[34]

The Hebrew Bible has many other examples of sinners being put to death as due consequence for crimes. Achan is put to death by Joshua because he caused defeat of Israel’s army by taking some of the plunder and hiding it in his tent.[35][36] David ordered that an Amalekite be put to death because he claimed to have killed King Saul.[37] In his charge to his son Solomon, King David ordered him to deal with the bloodguilt of Joab, who had murdered Abner and Amasa.[38] Solomon ordered that Joab be killed...



And, despite all that you posted, the most common one is the KJV.. its the one most grew up with....

Exodus 20:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Thou shalt not kill.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20%3A13&version=KJV

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RE: Just When You Think You've Seen The Worst Position ... - 8/26/2012 12:11:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

The standard interpretation by such people is that "Thou shalt not kill" is a typo and the passage actually reads: [...] "You shall not murder.


Murder is unlawful killing. As far as I can tell, this man has said he will illegaly use lethal violence to prevent legal activities.

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RE: Just When You Think You've Seen The Worst Position ... - 8/26/2012 12:39:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Murder is unlawful killing. As far as I can tell, this man has said he will illegaly use lethal violence to prevent legal activities.


I expect that the rationalization has something to do with him following God's law, how can reality compete with that?

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