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Baroana -> Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 7:23:23 AM)

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kitkat105 -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 7:58:27 AM)

Australia recently added up to 18 weeks based on how much you had worked in the 12 months prior. Women also receive a "baby bonus" which is an additional $5K paid in installments for producing the next generation of Australians.

It's not the best system, but it has certainly helped families. You can have up to 12 months of unpaid maternity leave where your original position must be held for you.




nephandi -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 8:05:06 AM)

Greetings

One question how do it then work in USA if a woman working in some profession or another get a baby, do she have to find another job or yeah how do it work? I am only asking because I do not know and not to offend anyone.

Be Well




DaddySatyr -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 8:10:56 AM)

By law, mothers or fathers are allowed a period of leave. This law went into effect in the 1980s.

The difference is: They don't get paid for it.

So, when a lady makes a choice to have a baby, she can take maternity leave and her job MUST be available, when she returns. She just doesn't get paid for the absence.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




calamitysandra -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:03:54 AM)

In Germany, in addition to the 14 weeks of paid leave after the delivery and 6 weeks of paid leave prior to the calculated birth date , you get up to 3 years of unpaid leave during which your position must be held for you. This time can be divided between the mother and the father. During this unpaid leave, if your household income is under a certain threshold, you get subsidies from the state.
Additionally, we have Kindergeld. A family recives 184 Euro for the first and second child each, 190 Euro for the third, and 215 Euro for each additional child monthly.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:17:14 AM)

Nephandi, most working mothers go right back to work, and pay a fortune in childcare. Some are lucky and have vacation time built up (if that's a benefit of their jobs) or if they have a seaosnal job, have their kid in the off season.






Baroana -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:20:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

By law, mothers or fathers are allowed a period of leave. This law went into effect in the 1980s.

The difference is: They don't get paid for it.

So, when a lady makes a choice to have a baby, she can take maternity leave and her job MUST be available, when she returns. She just doesn't get paid for the absence.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



Yes, IF that particular employer is subject to the FMLA. The job is protected for 12 weeks. Then, find a good nanny or daycare and get back to work.




Baroana -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:21:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

In Germany, in addition to the 14 weeks of paid leave after the delivery and 6 weeks of paid leave prior to the calculated birth date , you get up to 3 years of unpaid leave during which your position must be held for you. This time can be divided between the mother and the father. During this unpaid leave, if your household income is under a certain threshold, you get subsidies from the state.
Additionally, we have Kindergeld. A family recives 184 Euro for the first and second child each, 190 Euro for the third, and 215 Euro for each additional child monthly.


I've been thinking about how to get myself relocated to Europe or Canada for the last ten years or so. It's tougher than you might think.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:22:25 AM)

In the US, parenthood has been a choice since 1973. I fail to understand why an employer (or tax payers) should bear the brunt of an individual's decision.

How much do we want to strain companies? Now, they have to pay for the personal choices of employees that don't benefit the company?

I think a company should pay part of the cost if someone wants to further their education if it will help the company (ie; Why should McDonald's pay for an employee to study pyschology?).

Why is anyone that makes a personal choice that doesn't help their company entitled to hold a gun to their employer's head (the law) to get them to help?

If I go out and get drunk and lose my license, should my employer pay my transportation costs to get to work?

I don't understand the attitude of grantitude but then, I grew up in a different time.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




calamitysandra -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:27:00 AM)

We feel that people being willing to take on parenthood is a boon and a necessity for our society. As such it is only right and fair that we, as a society, try to reduce at least a bit of the fiscal impact raising children has.




Baroana -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:29:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

In the US, parenthood has been a choice since 1973. I fail to understand why an employer (or tax payers) should bear the brunt of an individual's decision.

How much do we want to strain companies? Now, they have to pay for the personal choices of employees that don't benefit the company?

I think a company should pay part of the cost if someone wants to further their education if it will help the company (ie; Why should McDonald's pay for an employee to study pyschology?).

Why is anyone that makes a personal choice that doesn't help their company entitled to hold a gun to their employer's head (the law) to get them to help?

If I go out and get drunk and lose my license, should my employer pay my transportation costs to get to work?

I don't understand the attitude of grantitude but then, I grew up in a different time.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Well...... some ideas just off the top of my head:

Takes a village?

or....

The population benefits in general when people birth and raise the next generation and more so if they contribute to the economy by working while doing it?

or....

GASP!

The dreaded S word? (Socialism)




Aswad -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:30:26 AM)

Actually, in Norway it's 56 weeks if you're willing to step down to 80% pay, and 46 weeks if you want 100% pay. Note that a minimum of 12 weeks are reserved for paternity leave in either case, to encourage fathers to spend more time with their kids. Something that's worth pointing out in this context is that 70% of the wealth in Norway is generated from other sources than the oil, so our wealth compares perfectly well with the US in terms of what you guys could have.

Of course, both parents can also take one year of unpaid parental leave, and most employers provide additional benefits, such as pay during the unpaid leave period after the paid leave. Parents on unpaid leave get a limited amount of welfare, as well. We sort of think that it will tend to benefit everyone to be able to properly raise one's children, with financial and physical security during that period of time, since those will be our fellow citizens when they grow up. I don't want them to grow up to be antisocial, poor and so forth. Just seems like an unneccessary waste to me.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





LadyHibiscus -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:31:51 AM)

The FMLA only covers bigger companies. I got fired for getting sick once, and whoops! So, I picked up the hours at Job #2.

France has a good daycare system going. Taking care of the kids while the parents work is a bigger issue than parental leave, IMO.

We don't have a welfare state. We have a 'do it yourself or you're fucked' state.




DomKen -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:34:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

In the US, parenthood has been a choice since 1973. I fail to understand why an employer (or tax payers) should bear the brunt of an individual's decision.


US companies enjoy unprecedented levels of profit and worker productivity. Returning some of those profits in the form of employee benefits simply makes good sense.




Baroana -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:37:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

The FMLA only covers bigger companies. I got fired for getting sick once, and whoops! So, I picked up the hours at Job #2.

France has a good daycare system going. Taking care of the kids while the parents work is a bigger issue than parental leave, IMO.

We don't have a welfare state. We have a 'do it yourself or you're fucked' state.



And yet, it seems that those who shout "do it yourself" loudest and most often are the same people who benefit the most from the contributions of those perceived parasites in the lower income brackets.




kalikshama -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:38:46 AM)

Benefits for Employees Mandated by the Law

To qualify for the FMLA mandate, a worker must be employed by a business with 50 or more employees within a 75-mile radius of his or her worksite, or a public agency, including schools and state, local, and federal employers (the 50-employee threshold does not apply to public agency employees and local educational agencies). He or she must also have worked for that employer for at least 12 months (not necessarily consecutive) and 1,250 hours within the last 12 months.

The FMLA mandates unpaid, job-protected leave for up to 12 weeks a year:

- to care for a new child, whether for the birth of a son or daughter, or for the adoption or placement of a child in foster care;
- to care for a seriously ill family member (spouse, son, daughter, or parent) (Note: Son/daughter has been clarified by the Department of Labor to mean a child under the age of 18 or a child over the age of 18 with a mental or physical disability as defined by the American Disabilities Act, which excludes among other conditions, pregnancy and post-partum recovery from childbirth)[5];
- to recover from a worker’s own serious illness;
- to care for an injured service member in the family; or
- to address qualifying exigencies arising out of a family member’s deployment.

The FMLA further requires employers to provide for eligible workers:

- The same group health insurance benefits, including employer contributions to premiums, that would exist if the employee were not on leave.
- Restoration to the same position upon return to work. If the same position is unavailable, the employer must provide the worker with a position that is substantially equal in pay, benefits, and responsibility.
- Protection of employee benefits while on leave. An employee is entitled to reinstatement of all benefits to which the employee was entitled before going on leave.
- Protection of the employee to not have their rights under the Act interfered with or denied by an employer.
- Protection of the employee from retaliation by an employer for exercising rights under the Act.

Non-eligible workers and types of leave

The federal FMLA does not apply to:


- workers in businesses with fewer than 50 employees (this threshold does not apply to public agency employers and local educational agencies);
- part-time workers who have worked fewer than 1,250 hours within the 12 months preceding the leave and a paid vacation;
- workers who need time off to care for seriously ill elderly relatives (other than parents) or pets;
- workers who need time off to recover from short-term or common illness like a cold, or to care for a family member with a short-term illness; and
- workers who need time off for routine medical care, such as check-ups.

State-level FMLA benefits

Some states have enacted laws that mandate additional family and medical leave for workers in a variety of ways.




Lucylastic -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:39:13 AM)

If I go out and get drunk and lose my license, should my employer pay my transportation costs to get to work?




When you do something illegal...nope




Aswad -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:39:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana

I've been thinking about how to get myself relocated to Europe or Canada for the last ten years or so. It's tougher than you might think.


Marriage?

Up here, the tax software is the main problem with passing the polyamory bill, so I've been thinking about whether me and Ars should try to "import" people with marketable skills and a compatible culture. I figure others elsewhere have thought about the same thing. And, yes, while you guys debate whether or not to be legalizing gay marriage, we debate how many husbands a guy can have...

IWYW,
— Aswad.





Baroana -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:40:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

In the US, parenthood has been a choice since 1973. I fail to understand why an employer (or tax payers) should bear the brunt of an individual's decision.


US companies enjoy unprecedented levels of profit and worker productivity. Returning some of those profits in the form of employee benefits simply makes good sense.



Yeah, what he said.




Baroana -> RE: Oh yeah....makes my ovaries tingle just thinking about it (8/25/2012 9:42:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

We feel that people being willing to take on parenthood is a boon and a necessity for our society. As such it is only right and fair that we, as a society, try to reduce at least a bit of the fiscal impact raising children has.



Yeah, what she said.




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