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What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . - 8/25/2012 11:53:53 AM   
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in October Israel attacks Iran, and Iran retaliates against American troops and ships? You may assume it was a unilateral attack without warning to President Obama, or not. You should assume retaliation against Israel from Iran and Hezbollah. What do you think the political reactions will be from the Left and the Right in the United States?

Suppose Iran does not retaliate against American troops and ships. What then? Will Obama go to the United Nations if Israel is under attack instead of responding directly to help Israel? If so, where goes the election? What is the view from Britain, Canada, Australia, Norway, etc?

What is the strategic national interest of the United States in this event? How goes Russia, China, Jordan, Arabia, Egypt, etc?

Off hand, I think Obama will engage our military in either event. He will win the election. Just my opinion to start.

What do you think Obama's response should be or will be?

Any other thoughts with respect to this topic are welcome.





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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 12:24:20 PM   
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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 12:30:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		David Cameron has said Britian would not support Israel in a first strike. He has also said he wont let Iran build nuclear weapons. If Israel do strike first and American shipping or military are attacked in retaliation I think Cameron would side with Obama.

On the streets, there is no push for a clash with Iran as most here understand Tehran is presently just blowing hot air, although long term the threat may have to be dealt with. The feeling is Israeli may, as has been suggested, strike first to force Americas hand, and in doing so force ours. Would the American public forgive Israel for dragging you into conflict ?


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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 12:33:51 PM   
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Obama He will lose in November


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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 12:34:13 PM   
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Obama will sit on his hands for three months like he did when asked for a troop surge in Afghanistan. He will lose in November, and President Romney will commit American troops on Jan 20 2013



So you say, personally the right seem to comming across more desperate by the day, just as they were before Clintons second term in office.

Romneys remarks about birth certificatse show he doesnt have many real talking points to address the electorate with.

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 12:39:21 PM   
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Obama will sit on his hands for three months like he did when asked for a troop surge in Afghanistan.


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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 12:41:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yachties post is exactly my point.

The world economy hasnt recover from the 2008 crash. So whoever gets in will still have the headache brought on under Bush and co. Paulson and his team made a big error in not ensuring they had the correct conditions on the bail out. The same financial deals are still in place, in one guise or other. The banks even used bailout money to spend vast sums getting the Dodd-Franks bill watered down by lobbyists. You couldnt make this up.

Yet if Romney gets in, there is a slim chance he might, he will meet the same wall Obama has in dealing with Bushes financial mess. The easy way out wil be to blame Obama.

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 12:48:26 PM   
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Romneys remarks about birth certificatse show he doesnt have many real talking points to address the electorate with.


Actually, it shows he's an idiot. It's been said for months that Obama wins if the focus is not on the economy. Romney's not a strong enough man to keep his own party in check and he keeps devolving back to the birther thing and social issues, which will let him hold his base but nothing else.

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 12:49:04 PM   
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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 1:27:40 PM   
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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 1:29:10 PM   
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Yachties post is exactly my point.

The world economy hasnt recover from the 2008 crash. So whoever gets in will still have the headache brought on under Bush and co. Paulson and his team made a big error in not ensuring they had the correct conditions on the bail out. The same financial deals are still in place, in one guise or other. The banks even used bailout money to spend vast sums getting the Dodd-Franks bill watered down by lobbyists. You couldnt make this up.

Yet if Romney gets in, there is a slim chance he might, he will meet the same wall Obama has in dealing with Bushes financial mess. The easy way out wil be to blame Obama.


Yeh, maybe. But the question I posed was not about the financial mess.

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 1:33:07 PM   
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Obama will sit on his hands for three months like he did when asked for a troop surge in Afghanistan. He will lose in November, and President Romney will commit American troops on Jan 20 2013


Do you think anyone will have the luxury to sit and plan for three months? Do you not think contingency plans and decisions have already been drawn? Talking here about before the election. If he sits on his hands for three months that means he was reelected, right?

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 1:39:08 PM   
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David Cameron has said Britian would not support Israel in a first strike. He has also said he wont let Iran build nuclear weapons. If Israel do strike first and American shipping or military are attacked in retaliation I think Cameron would side with Obama.


Do you think Obama will win re-election?

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On the streets, there is no push for a clash with Iran


There wasn't for Iraq at first either.

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Would the American public forgive Israel for dragging you into conflict ?


Good question. But maybe Bibi is more concerned about what he sees as an existential threat, and he believes Iraq is serious. You think?

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 1:39:19 PM   
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Yachties post is exactly my point.

The world economy hasnt recover from the 2008 crash. . The easy way out wil be to blame Obama.



The factual way out will be to blame Obama.

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 1:59:51 PM   
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Obama will sit on his hands for three months like he did when asked for a troop surge in Afghanistan. He will lose in November, and President Romney will commit American troops on Jan 20 2013


Do you think anyone will have the luxury to sit and plan for three months? Do you not think contingency plans and decisions have already been drawn? Talking here about before the election. If he sits on his hands for three months that means he was reelected, right?


October... Romney wins in November but takes over in January... Do the math.

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 2:04:29 PM   
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Good question. But maybe Bibi is more concerned about what he sees as an existential threat, and he believes Iraq is serious. You think?

I think you mean Iran, dont you?

Iraq is the conflict/war the US dragged other countries into, remember?..

Unlike previous Presidents that marches in tens of thousands of troops & tanks with guns and bombs blazing, I think Obama's style is quite different & is to not get into direct multi-decade conflicts, but rather to support rebels and let them fight to overturn those in control and to send small elite strike forces to hit targets (as he did to get OBL).. thats just my take on how Obama's war machine works.. so far at least..



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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 2:42:10 PM   
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Obama will sit on his hands for three months like he did when asked for a troop surge in Afghanistan. He will lose in November, and President Romney will commit American troops on Jan 20 2013


Do you think anyone will have the luxury to sit and plan for three months? Do you not think contingency plans and decisions have already been drawn? Talking here about before the election. If he sits on his hands for three months that means he was reelected, right?


October... Romney wins in November but takes over in January... Do the math.

Great. More war, more military spending, which he's not going to pay for by making the situation still worse with more unfunded tax cuts.

How is it possible for you guys to take that approach seriously?

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 2:46:20 PM   
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Great. More war, more military spending, which he's not going to pay for by making the situation still worse with more unfunded tax cuts.

How is it possible for you guys to take that approach seriously?


What has Obama done to curtail any of the wars? All he did in Iraq was bump Bush's withdraw up a whopping three weeks.

Yeah, you're not happy about Obama's war on terror, but do you honestly believe he'll do anything to change? Do you honestly believe he'll have an epiphany and withdraw all troops?

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 2:55:16 PM   
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As you said, do the math.

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RE: What will be the outcome of the November election I... - 8/25/2012 3:27:55 PM   
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Okay, I don't understand what you mean, Tazzie


lol.. would you want to man this cluster fuck of an economy at this point? I wouldnt

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