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vincentML -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 8:05:30 AM)

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No, I never said that, i just think Obama operates smart in relation to conflicts, not with brawn, when he can, that is.. and imo the exception would be if US ships, etc were attacked.. My take on his war/conflict tactics is he tries to go about it with the least loss of life (for Americans).. how many dead Americans from Bush's wars? Obama seems to want to avoid that if he can.. but I have no doubt he would send in the great US war machine if he needed to tho.. Moving in a few carriers at this point is (imo) to show he wouldnt hesitate to do what he felt he needed to do.. its basically just a warning right now.. jmo, of course..


okay, good point.




vincentML -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 8:07:04 AM)

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If strikes and counterstrikes happen
Obama would probably win by default
because no one will be able to find
Mitt. He and Ryan will be racing across
the Plains in the weinermobile with
the family dogs strapped on top trying
to get to the Romney family bunker
so they can sit out the Rapture in
relative comfort.


[:D][:D][:D]




vincentML -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 8:09:33 AM)

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If Netanyahu strikes Iran he has played his ace and his ability to influence either the election or Obama is reduced considerably. Far better for him to extract a series of concessions from Obama that will tie Obama’s hands for the duration of his second term and (from Netanyahu’s POV) ensure Israel/AIPAC's ongoing stranglehold over US policy in the ME. Another four years and the colonisation of the West Bank will be irreversible, the already-comatose Two State solution dead and buried - two of Netanyahu's primary goals will be "facts on the ground".


Excellent post. What sort of concessions do you suppose Netanyahu wants or needs?




tj444 -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 8:57:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its his ad campaign... approved by him.

If he didnt mean it, why did he say it?

ummm.. cuz he's a politician and they all tend to exagerate just a tad? [8|]

and again, my posts are just about the pipeline, not all the rest of the "promises"..




tazzygirl -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 9:02:15 AM)

He wont get the pipeline done on day one.

Here is the funny part. So many here have castigated Obama for promises not upheld.... myself including. Yet so many are willing to jump onto the bandwagon of a man who is making even more insane promises because it sounds good.




tj444 -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 9:14:07 AM)

What politician has never made insane promises? its the nature of the beast..

..and yet voters are so easily bribed with their own (taxpayer) money..

.. what is that quotation about people getting the govt they deserve??? [:D]





vincentML -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 10:46:36 AM)

Isn't the problem with the pipeline that its path is across the High Plains Aquafer, which is critical to farming? As it now stands the aquafer has been overused. Oil pollution would hasten its demise.




Musicmystery -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 11:10:45 AM)

NO THINKING!!!!

Frickin' anti-American.




vincentML -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/26/2012 12:27:46 PM)

Drat! is that in the TOS?




tweakabelle -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 2:16:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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If Netanyahu strikes Iran he has played his ace and his ability to influence either the election or Obama is reduced considerably. Far better for him to extract a series of concessions from Obama that will tie Obama’s hands for the duration of his second term and (from Netanyahu’s POV) ensure Israel/AIPAC's ongoing stranglehold over US policy in the ME. Another four years and the colonisation of the West Bank will be irreversible, the already-comatose Two State solution dead and buried - two of Netanyahu's primary goals will be "facts on the ground".


Excellent post. What sort of concessions do you suppose Netanyahu wants or needs?

There will be the usual proclamations of eternal solidarity. Expect further expansion of economic and military co-operation. Access to the specialised technology and hardware needed for operations such as those Netanyahu envisages for Iran will be high on the list, along with any other advanced military technology that tickles Netanyahu's (or the IDF's) fancy.

Politically, Israel will be looking for the US to take the diplomatic flak if it does go alone on Iran next year and agreement that Iran is the major threat to ME stability (which keeps Occupied Palestine off the international agenda for the time being). Netanyahu will want increased US diplomatic pressure on Egypt to shore up its southern flank and freedom to intervene in Syria (ostensibly to recover Syria's WMDs) if the situation demands it.

If I was Netanyahu (perish the thought!) top of the list would be a series of measures to ensure that the colonisation of the West Bank can continue unimpeded. Ongoing US silence on Israel's ethnic cleansing, torture and other illegalities in Occupied Palestine would be welcome, on top of the usual diplomatic protection the US has been giving Israel for decades, much to the US's own detriment. I wouldn't be surprised to see the "facts on the ground" formula fleshed out to ensure permanent Israeli sovereignty over the major settlements/colonies. I'd also be pressing the US to move its embassy to Jerusalem, which would be de facto recognition of Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem. US agreement on a further escalation of Israeli demands to be met in any final status agreement would be handy for Netanyahu too.




tazzygirl -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 2:37:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Drat! is that in the TOS?


LOL.. sadly, around these parts.. money talks... common sense walks.. for some.




vincentML -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 7:10:14 AM)

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There will be the usual proclamations of eternal solidarity. Expect further expansion of economic and military co-operation. Access to the specialised technology and hardware needed for operations such as those Netanyahu envisages for Iran will be high on the list, along with any other advanced military technology that tickles Netanyahu's (or the IDF's) fancy.

Politically, Israel will be looking for the US to take the diplomatic flak if it does go alone on Iran next year and agreement that Iran is the major threat to ME stability (which keeps Occupied Palestine off the international agenda for the time being). Netanyahu will want increased US diplomatic pressure on Egypt to shore up its southern flank and freedom to intervene in Syria (ostensibly to recover Syria's WMDs) if the situation demands it.


It seems pretty clear [as possible from this vantage point and filtered through Media] that Netanyahu's primary goal is to complete the colonization of the West Bank. I doubt that injecting the IDF between Assad and Hezbollah would be very successful given the last failed incursion of the IDF into Lebenon. On the south, Morsi seems bent on asserting his independence from his own Military so not sure he would agree to keep the border tight, or want to appear in league with Amisrael.

The United States sold 85 new F-15 Fighter Planes to the Saudi last year and upgraded 70 already in their fleet, ostensibly due to fears of Iran. If the fears are legit in S.A. they might well be for Netanyahu even though the Israeli people are divided. Those in my circle have accepted Bibi's premise.
US arms sales

If your insightful position bears up we can assume Bibi already has extracted those conditions from Romney, don't you think? It will be interesting to see if Romney goes beyond platitudes on the subject in his acceptance speech this week.

Thanks for the comments [:)]




tweakabelle -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 7:40:07 AM)

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The United States sold 85 new F-15 Fighter Planes to the Saudi last year and upgraded 70 already in their fleet, ostensibly due to fears of Iran. If the fears are legit in S.A. they might well be for Netanyahu even though the Israeli people are divided. Those in my circle have accepted Bibi's premise.
US arms sales


The Saudis have a rebellion by the Shia majority in Bahrain on their doorsteps. They've already committed troops to Bahrain and blamed Iranian meddling for the situation. Furthermore, they have a restive Shia minority in the eastern provinces to worry about. So they have their own reasons for playing up the Iranian 'threat'.

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If your insightful position bears up we can assume Bibi already has extracted those conditions from Romney, don't you think? It will be interesting to see if Romney goes beyond platitudes on the subject in his acceptance speech this week.


Romney called for the US embassy to be moved to Jerusalem during his ill-fated foreign tour recently. His public pronouncements on Iran have been far more hawkish than Obama's. So it seems he has signed up for the Zionist agenda already. No cause for optimism here, more wars seem far more likely with Mittens than Obama.




RacerJim -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 8:06:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Romneys remarks about birth certificatse show he doesnt have many real talking points to address the electorate with.


Actually, it shows he's an idiot. It's been said for months that Obama wins if the focus is not on the economy. Romney's not a strong enough man to keep his own party in check and he keeps devolving back to the birther thing and social issues, which will let him hold his base but nothing else.

Actually, it shows the left can't take a joke.

Obama and his supporters can't address, much less win, the electorate based upon Obama's record therefore the only thing they can do is attack, Attack, ATTACK Romney. "If you don't have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from." -- Barack HUSSEIN Obama, 2008




RacerJim -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 8:33:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

As for Iran - a series of surgical air strikes by carriers and stealth bombers can effectively neutralize the threat without the folly of a ramps-down invasion and ten years of counter insurgency warfare. Unlike the Radicals, who don't care for the human or financial cost, Obama learned from Douche's mistakes.

As for Israel - if they unilaterally start something, and Iran retaliates by closing the oil routes, that will go a long way to destroying any support the Israeli's have in the USA. If we suffer major military losses on top of an oil crisis - say a carrier gets sunk - Tel Aviv can probably kiss American support good-bye.

As for the election - when push comes to shove, the voters will take a hard look, and vote Obama simply because there is no real alternative. True, he is a weakling, but at least he is legally sane.

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As for Iran - a couple of properly geographically placed nukes will reduce Iran to glass.

As for Israel - if they start something they will finish it. Iran won't be able to retaliate and Israel will gain even more support in the USA. We won't suffer any military losses or an oil crisis - no U.S. carrier will even get hit much less sink - Tel Aviv can count on complete American support.

As for the election - if the media actually acts like the professional journalist they're supposed to be, the voters will become aware of Obama's true Communist/Marxist/Socialist colors and vote for Romney simply because the alternative is tyranny. Obama is indeed legally sane, but anyone who votes for him is not.




Musicmystery -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 8:51:37 AM)

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As for Iran - a couple of properly geographically placed nukes will reduce Iran to glass.


And fortunately, there would be no repercussions whatsoever. Kill 'em all. And today's nukes don't have radiation!




OttersSwim -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 8:58:06 AM)

And you know, the rest of the world's population and countries would really have no issue with the United States murdering 75 million people.




vincentML -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 9:48:25 AM)

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Romney called for the US embassy to be moved to Jerusalem during his ill-fated foreign tour recently. His public pronouncements on Iran have been far more hawkish than Obama's. So it seems he has signed up for the Zionist agenda already. No cause for optimism here, more wars seem far more likely with Mittens than Obama.


It has been reported that many of Romney's foreign policy advisors are Bush/Cheney neo-cons.




vincentML -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 9:52:14 AM)

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As for the election - if the media actually acts like the professional journalist they're supposed to be, the voters will become aware of Obama's true Communist/Marxist/Socialist colors and vote for Romney simply because the alternative is tyranny. Obama is indeed legally sane, but anyone who votes for him is not.


R.J. You have this on good authority or are you receiving it through your tin antennae?




Politesub53 -> RE: What will be the outcome of the November election IF . . . (8/27/2012 10:28:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Actually, it shows the left can't take a joke.



Of course the left can take a joke, they just wont vote for one.




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