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paavo -> Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 7:47:59 AM)

Hello All ,

i have a question , is this posibile to turn back to ancent slavery period which was exiist during 1600 to 1800 AC specially in USA where black african were traded for slavery and / or in ancient China or Roman Empire , through BDSM ?




Killerangel -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 8:11:09 AM)

I guess it would be if you had someone that wanted to role play that with you. I've seen people write about it in the past, and express interest in it.




DarkSteven -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 8:19:31 AM)

There are some clubs (at least there are in the US. I'm not sure about India) where slaves are occasionally auctioned off for a day or weekend to perform tasks, with restrictions as to the nature. For example, sexual use is out completely.




paavo -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 8:38:06 AM)

i think so , but i mean , can Women use free of paid slaves in industry or farm work , land , or as any labour etc etc through BDSM ? and if it is possible why till now land Owner Ladies didn't started up free using of slaves in thier garden , land , farm , factory etc ?




poise -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 8:47:53 AM)

It sounds to me like you are asking if a woman can use a man for his labor in exchange for BDSM activities.
The answer is yes. Any gender can barter with another person for chores around the house/farm etc.
More specifically, you and your mistress can agree to anything you want to agree to within your relationship.
As for the legalities of such an arrangement, that may be a whole other ball game.




lizi -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 8:54:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: paavo

i think so , but i mean , can Women use free of paid slaves in industry or farm work , land , or as any labour etc etc through BDSM ? and if it is possible why till now land Owner Ladies didn't started up free using of slaves in thier garden , land , farm , factory etc ?


People can use labor of this type as long as the laborer wants to provide it and agrees to do that. Since there is no legal slavery any more, it has to be a consensual agreement from the start. After two people consent to it, then the Dominant should be able to do as they like with the slave. Of course the slave has to keep agreeing to it, or he/she can leave. It's never going to be slavery like it was in older times, people being the slaves now have the choice to agree or walk away.




paavo -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 10:29:26 AM)

i also think the same as You think Mistress Lizi , but i think still wide use of slaves through BDSM as labour in farms , industry , factory etc, is not very popular and usual in the world , don't know what others think ?




LadyPact -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 10:38:22 AM)

It's really hard to understand what you are asking here. I know it's a language barrier thing, but it's difficult to know what you are driving at.

Are you asking that those who own someone in a M/s dynamic could put their slave to work on a farm or such? Are you asking if those who want to be slaves could find a situation where they would be put to work by others?

Legally, at least here, I only own clip due to his consent. Sure, I can have him do the tasks that I want him to do. Even send him to another location to do something if I tell him to, but there's no organized set of owners who get together and send their slaves out to the fields.




paavo -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 10:51:20 AM)

Mistress Pact ,

i am asking the both points as You mentioned , and specially the first pony ( those who are in M/s relationships ) can They use their slaves as labour of the ancient type slavery , as the slaves are devoted and obedient and ready to be exploited and to be used as labour becouse of thier emotional struture of the body as they born submissive , so Dominant can use them as labour slaves ?




LadyPact -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 10:57:14 AM)

We have an obedience based dynamic. That means if I tell him to do something, that's what he does. It's not limited to indoors or outdoors. No different than if I sent him out to cut the grass or something.




SaharahEve -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 10:58:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: paavo
But i think still wide use of slaves through BDSM [for] labor in farms, industry, factory etc, is not very popular and usual in the world. [What do] others think?


I use my slaves for a variety of laborious tasks, though to simply call this "BDSM" isn't necessarily correct. Pleasing me is the primary motivator, regardless of how often the whip falls (or if it even does at all). I don't get caught up in transactional "acts" that are exchanged. A symbiosis in filling our respective places is what keeps it together—the acts reify and affirm that relationship in the world of flesh.




paavo -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 11:19:15 AM)

Lady Pact,

It shows then slaves could be used as labour for different tasks , either as field workers on land or any as You pointed , and becouse of that obedience dynamic in slave's body , he could be used as labour by Mistresses ...




ResidentSadist -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 11:21:20 AM)

I am reconstructing your posts so they fall into more cohesive questions. I hope I got your intent correctly. [ ] mark my changes.


Is this possible to turn back to ancient slavery period which was exist during 1600 to 1800 AC specially in USA where black [Africans] were traded for slavery and/or in ancient China or Roman Empire , through BDSM ?

--- Are you asking if consensual slaves in BDSM can be used like the nonconsensual slaves when slavery was legal? Yes, if they consent to being used that way. Some will revel in living like a beast of burden, others will not.

Can Women [be used] free of [pay as] slaves in industry or farm work , land , or as any labour etc etc through BDSM ?
--- Seems like the same question again so the answer is the same, yes, if they consent to being used that way.

And if it is possible why [up until] now [why haven’t] land Owner Ladies [freely used] slaves in thier garden , land , farm , factory etc?
--- They have. There are many “land Owner Ladies”/Dommes that have voluntary domestic servants/slaves tending their house and garden.

I think [current] wide use of slaves through BDSM as labor in farms , industry , factory etc, is not very popular.
--- Seems like the same question again. Are you asking about slave labor in industry or domestic slaves tending a ladies garden? There is a BIG difference. BDSM is a mix of leather, bondage and discipline. It is not a tyrant using only discipline to beat free labor out of dozens of volunteers with a leather whip and making them pick cotton or build a pyramid. So to answer your question, I don’t think we can have slavery like it was during 1600 to 1800s in the way you imagined it. . . . not really.

But hold you horses because I can have some of the aspects of the 1600 to 1800s slavery in the way I imagine it.

I have had the pleasure of corporate slaves. My slaves, whom were also my lovers, worked for free in my corporation doing office work. They weren’t exactly picking cotton in the fields but they worked and labored for free at my company which was a very posh office environment with lots of perks.

I have had the pleasure of domestic slaves. My slaves, whom were also my lovers, worked for free in my home doing domestic chores, cleaning, washing and tending my yard (garden).

I have had the pleasure of poly slaves. My slaves collectively, whom were also my lovers, tended to me, my home and office (business). So like the plantation owner who's business was cotton or sugar, my slaves labored at my business but were free of the beast of burden aspects toiling in the fields. Besides, if my business was to tend the land, we have invented machines to do the hard labor nowadays and the slaves would have to drive a piece of agricultural machinery instead of office machinery.

I hope I understood you questions and answered you with some clarity. I don't know if it is a language barrier that makes you appear to focus on the beast of burden image tending land, farms and industry or if that is truly your image of a slave . . . a sweaty beast tending the fields and working in industry. I know the Indian culture is one that still adopts social classes and perhaps that is where the imagery gets lost between us.




paavo -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 11:29:24 AM)

Mistress Saharah ,

Then it looks like it can work out , but what is obvious and i see in fetish world , rarely i find anything as worker slaves , except recently i saw some contents and topic about this , but not anything like a wide range of usage of slave labour




paavo -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 11:55:31 AM)

Resident Sadist ,

Good explanation , but i didn't ask that Women could be used as You corrected it:
( Can Women [be used] free of [pay as] slaves in industry or farm work , land , or as any labour etc etc through BDSM ?
--- Seems like the same question again so the answer is the same, yes, if they consent to being used that way. )
i mean by that sentence , that Mistresses ( Ladies either Dom or Switch Ladies ) use their slaves the same way as slaved were used for works . not as Themselves (Mistress Ladies ) .




LadyPact -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 12:07:36 PM)

Just a thought, but it is My suspicion that this is what you need to do, OP.

Find a woman who is willing to Dominate you that shares your interest in being used for outdoor physical labor. It is obvious that it is a strong fantasy for you. When you find that woman, perhaps you will be fortunate enough that the idea turns her on as well and she uses you in that capacity. You can have your dream fulfilled by her instructing you to go out and work in the field. With exceptional luck, she may know other Dominant women who also have male slaves who will be forced to work with you. Perhaps you can start a co-op.

Until then, please take My word for it. Many of us have real life dynamics. I don't send My boy to a farm every day because that is not the best use for him. It's just his job in this dynamic to do what I want, when I want. That's what he signed up for. Not his own ideas about what being a slave is supposed to be so he can tell Me how to Dominate him.

Please enjoy your day.




nephandi -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 12:16:34 PM)

Greetings

quote:

i have a question , is this posibile to turn back to ancent slavery period which was exiist during 1600 to 1800 AC specially in USA where black african were traded for slavery and / or in ancient China or Roman Empire , through BDSM ?


Yes BDSM is a known and true way to time travel, who need a DeLorean when you have whips and buttplugs. :P

Sorry I could not resist. Basically BDSM is about consensual relationships so sure if someone want to live a lifestyle imitating an ancient culture and the slavery present in such a culture you could do that, to the extent that everyone involved where willing participants.

quote:

i think so , but i mean , can Women use free of paid slaves in industry or farm work , land , or as any labour etc etc through BDSM ? and if it is possible why till now land Owner Ladies didn't started up free using of slaves in thier garden , land , farm , factory etc ?


If all involved are willing then sure you could have a BDSM dynamic of slave owner and worker slave that takes care of a farm or other such property, all you need are two more more people into that kind of lifestyle and you can set it up. You can do anything with a BDSM relationship as long as you do not break local laws and everyone involved are willing participants.

Be Well





ResidentSadist -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 12:25:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: paavo

Resident Sadist ,

Good explanation , but i didn't ask that Women could be used as You corrected it:
( Can Women [be used] free of [pay as] slaves in industry or farm work , land , or as any labour etc etc through BDSM ?
--- Seems like the same question again so the answer is the same, yes, if they consent to being used that way. )
i mean by that sentence , that Mistresses ( Ladies either Dom or Switch Ladies ) use their slaves the same way as slaved were used for works . not as Themselves (Mistress Ladies ) .


Thanks for clearing that up.




paavo -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 12:39:39 PM)

Lady Pact ,

wanted to know the idea , and how it can work out , and to know what could be submitting to a Lady as labour slave , may be for me as a non-experienced sub male for Ladies , it could be some normal sort of BDSM or real life dynamic , but in real life i wanted to know how it could be just wanted to have the ideas




paavo -> RE: Curious about BDSM and ancient type slavery y ... (8/26/2012 12:42:21 PM)

Nephandi,

i think so , it is more consensual relationship than , the ancient type ....




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