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tazzygirl -> Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:01:18 PM)

For those of you who enjoyed West Wing, Newsroom is shaping up to be quite as moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH1gJESvfbc

The American Taliban.

Since I am not conservative... even though I do have many conservative leanings... how many agree with the sentiments from last nights episode? And why or why not?




servantforuse -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:14:03 PM)

The west wing was nothing more than liberal pap/




tazzygirl -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:21:02 PM)

Do try and stay on topic.. which is the video.




dcnovice -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:23:17 PM)

quote:

The west wing was nothing more than liberal pap/

Oh my. We can't even get two messages into a thread about a frickin' TV show without squawks from the "partisan parrots," as someone (I forget who, alas) once cleverly dubbed them.




TheHeretic -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:24:40 PM)

But it was well written liberal pap, with intelligent, witty characters.

This one is on HBO, so I won't be catching it.






DaddySatyr -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:28:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The west wing was nothing more than liberal pap/


The West Wing was one of my favorite shows (I own the collectors' Series disc set) for a couple of reasons:

I'm a Martin Sheen fan

It was entertainment

It actually told the truth about a few specific things (Global free trade, Mandatory Minimums handcuffing the legal system, etc.)

Tsun Tzu warned us: "Know your enemy and know yourself and in 100 battles, you will never be in peril" Sorkin was an absolute, dyed-in-the-wool, pablum-puking, bleeding heart liberal (who had a tendency to co-opt certain conservative points of view, when it suited him). He is a "Hollywood darling" and the show gives a great insight into the thought process of the lefties.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




tazzygirl -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:32:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

The west wing was nothing more than liberal pap/

Oh my. We can't even get two messages into a thread about a frickin' TV show without squawks from the "partisan parrots," as someone (I forget who, alas) once cleverly dubbed them.


lol... think any of them watched the video?




TheHeretic -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:36:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

We can't even get two messages into a thread about a frickin' TV show without squawks from the "partisan parrots," as someone (I forget who, alas) once cleverly dubbed them.


We didn't even get through the OP without a deeply offensive partisan attack, in the link Tazzy provided, DC.

Frankly, I'm sufficiently pissed off at what the American left finds acceptable discourse right now (as demonstrated in Tazzy's link) that I just might laugh like hell, if the voters decide the election is about a crap economy, and the desperate efforts of the Obamabots to misdirect from that serve no other purpose than to allow the fundy right to claim a mandate for their social agenda, off a Romney victory.

Especially with the executive actions they have been perfectly happy to let President Obama set as the template for a Republican to play with...




tazzygirl -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:41:51 PM)

What partisan attack?




TheHeretic -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:48:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

What partisan attack?


Tazzy, if you posted that video, I presumed you watched it.  Forgive me, if I'm wrong.





tazzygirl -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:50:05 PM)

Oh yes, I did watch it. Did you?




tazzygirl -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 6:52:45 PM)

A transcript of the episode...

August 24, 2012: "The Newsroom" -- The Greater Fool -- the news transcript as broadcast by Will McAvoy.

Good Evening, I’m Will McAvoy. Today is Monday, August 8 [2011].
And this past Friday, for the first time ever, Standard and Poor’s downgraded the credit rating of the US Treasury. You would think that would be tonight’s top story. Or you might think it would be the Dow closing down 634 points on its worst day of trading in 3 years. Or the austerity riots in Europe. Or any statements of the Republican candidates running for president. Or the President himself. But it’s not.

Tonight’s top story is a woman named Dorothy Cooper.

Dorothy Cooper is a 96 year old resident of Chattanooga Tennessee and has been voting for the last 75 years. This year, she has been told she can’t. A new law in Tennessee requires residents to show a government issued photo ID in order to vote. Dorothy Cooper doesn’t have a driver’s license, because Dorothy Cooper doesn’t have a car. Dorothy Cooper doesn’t have a passport; a vacation abroad was never in her future.

Tennessee isn’t alone. At this moment, 33 states have proposed or already adopted the same voter id laws that have disqualified Dorothy Cooper from the one fundamental thing that we all do as Americans. It’s estimated that 11% or roughly 20 million people don’t have government issued voter ids and will be disenfranchised this November. Why? To crack down on the terrible problem of voter fraud. Governor Rick Perry of Texas, who is about to enter the presidential primary race, is serious about cracking down on the problem:

>Video of Perry: “Making sure that there is not fraud, making sure that someone is not manipulating that process makes all the sense in the world to me.”<

Me too. Because voter fraud is such a huge problem that during a five year period in the Bush Administration, when 196 million votes were cast, the number of cases of voter fraud reached…86. Not 86,000. 86. Here’s what that number looks like as a percentage of votes cast. .00004%. Four one hundred thousandths of a percent. This would be called a solution without a problem, but it’s not. It’s just a solution to a different problem.

Republican’s have a hard time getting certain people to vote for them. So life would be a lot easier if certain people just weren’t allowed to vote at all. I’m ashamed to say that 32 out of the 33 voter id laws were proposed by Republican legislators, and passed by Republican controlled statehouses. And signed into law by Republican governors. I am not ashamed to say that I, however, am a Republican. And that brings us to tonight’s second story.

I’m what the leaders of the Tea Party would call a RINO: Republican in Name Only. And that’s ironic because that’s exactly what I think about the leaders of the Tea Party. Because the most conservative Republicans today…aren’t Republicans.

Republicans believe in a prohibitive military. We believe in a common sense government. And that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work but that there are way too many costing way too much, that don’t. We believe in the rule of law and order and free market capitalism. The Tea Party believes in loving America but hating Americans. Tea Party Congressman Allen West of Florida.

>Video of West: I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama bumper sticker, I recogonize them as a threat to the gene pool. <

They believe in loving America, but hating its government. Conservative activist, Grover Norquist.

>Video of Norquist: I don’t want to abolish government, I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. <

And they believe that anybody who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-American motives.

>Video of Herman Cain: The objective of the liberals is to destroy this country. The objective of the liberals is to make America mediocre. <

Most of all, you must never, under any circumstance, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent. Or do any of what Democrats and genuine Republicans both call ‘governing.’ Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell:

>Vidieo of McConnell: Our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term.<

And one other plank in the Tea Party platform. If you are poor, it means that you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich. Here’s Andre Bauer, Tea Party Leader and the Lt. Governor of South Carolina [McAvoy read’s Bauer’s words] : My grandmother was not a highly educated woman but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed.”

It’s almost hard to believe that Republicans can’t get Dorothy Cooper to vote for them.

During Tea Party rallys and in campaign speeches, we’ve been told that America has been founded as a Christian nation and if the founding fathers were here today, they’d tell us so. Here’s John Adams in the treaty of Tripoli: “As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” And here’s Thomas Jefferson: “…that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions.” And here’s the first amendment to the US Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

What’s more frightening than the perversion of our great history is that sensible strong smart Republicans, the very men and women who should be standing up to radical fundamentalism, are so frightened in losing primary battles to religious zealots that they’ve thrown in the towel on sanity. So we get this:

>Video of John McCain: Yes, that the constitution established the United States as a Christian nation.<

It’s ironic because the biggest enemy of the phony Republican isn’t Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. It’s this man. [image of Jesus Christ]. He said ‘Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Care for the weakest among us. And always pray in private. ‘

On screen behind McAvoy while he reads:
- Ideological purity
- Compromise as weakness
- A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
- Denying science
- Unmoved by facts
- Undeterred by new information
- A hostile fear of progress
- A demonization of education
- A need to control women’s bodies
- Severe xenophobia
- Tribal mentality
- Intolerance of dissent
- A pathological hatred of the US government

They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves Conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans. Though Republican’s certainly shouldn’t. But we should call them what they are: The American Taliban. And the American Taliban cannot survive if Dorothy Cooper is allowed to vote.




slvemike4u -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 7:08:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

For those of you who enjoyed West Wing, Newsroom is shaping up to be quite as moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH1gJESvfbc

The American Taliban.

Since I am not conservative... even though I do have many conservative leanings... how many agree with the sentiments from last nights episode? And why or why not?

Highly agree
Do I really need to elaborate ? Doubt that I can,in any way shape or form,craft as well articulated argument for why as those writers did.
Fantastic TV,powerfully written,powerfully performed.Jeff Daniels is a fine actor with a fine role and a quality supporting cast.




Musicmystery -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 7:09:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

But it was well written liberal pap, with intelligent, witty characters.


I never watched it, but Aaron Sorkin was the writer--excellent excellent excellent. His "Sports Night" should have run forever, had ABC not botched it up.




tazzygirl -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 7:12:53 PM)

I find it odd that its considered partisan when the subject is the Tea Party.




TheHeretic -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 7:45:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Oh yes, I did watch it. Did you?


Yes, Tazzy, I watched what you posted.  As I said to begin with - no HBO.

Now it's very kind of you to provide a transcript that gave some context to what you provided to begin with, but all the video you offered was this bit

On screen behind McAvoy while he reads:
- Ideological purity
- Compromise as weakness
- A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
- Denying science
- Unmoved by facts
- Undeterred by new information
- A hostile fear of progress
- A demonization of education
- A need to control women’s bodies
- Severe xenophobia
- Tribal mentality
- Intolerance of dissent
- A pathological hatred of the US government

They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves Conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans. Though Republican’s certainly shouldn’t. But we should call them what they are: The American Taliban. And the American Taliban cannot survive if Dorothy Cooper is allowed to vote.

 
Now, having no clue who Dorothy Parker is, I just hear rampant demonization being flung at Republicans.  The people guilty of these sins call themselves the Tea Party?  They call themselves Conservatives (hmm... now what's that word I swapped a damn good sig-line for...?)  And if we're not, well, let's just fling the taint anyway.  Fuck that.  Fuck Sorkin.

Yeah, Tazzy.  Partisan attack.  It isn't yours, but you posted it.

You asked how many agree.  Sorry, but I don't see it in your frame of reference.






tazzygirl -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 8:07:00 PM)

You should read the text without blinders. Dorothy Parker is a character.. the mother of the nurse who takes care of the broadcaster when he was in the hospital.

The attack, as I see it, isnt against All Republicans, or even all conservatives, but that segment called the Tea Party.

Beneath the list in the video is the words... Republican in name only... RINO.. which is what he calls himself. Which is within the context of the transcript I provided.

So, allow me to narrow this a bit for you.

I’m what the leaders of the Tea Party would call a RINO: Republican in Name Only. And that’s ironic because that’s exactly what I think about the leaders of the Tea Party. Because the most conservative Republicans today…aren’t Republicans.

Do you agree or not?

Republicans believe in a prohibitive military. We believe in a common sense government. And that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work but that there are way too many costing way too much, that don’t. We believe in the rule of law and order and free market capitalism.

Do you agree or not?

The Tea Party believes in loving America but hating Americans. Tea Party Congressman Allen West of Florida.

>Video of West: I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama bumper sticker, I recogonize them as a threat to the gene pool. <


Do you agree or not?

They believe in loving America, but hating its government. Conservative activist, Grover Norquist.

>Video of Norquist: I don’t want to abolish government, I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. <


Do you agree or not?

And they believe that anybody who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-American motives.

>Video of Herman Cain: The objective of the liberals is to destroy this country. The objective of the liberals is to make America mediocre. <


Do you agree or not?

Most of all, you must never, under any circumstance, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent. Or do any of what Democrats and genuine Republicans both call ‘governing.’ Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell:

>Vidieo of McConnell: Our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term.<


Do you agree or not?

And one other plank in the Tea Party platform. If you are poor, it means that you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich. Here’s Andre Bauer, Tea Party Leader and the Lt. Governor of South Carolina [McAvoy read’s Bauer’s words] : My grandmother was not a highly educated woman but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed.”

Do you agree or not?

During Tea Party rallys and in campaign speeches, we’ve been told that America has been founded as a Christian nation and if the founding fathers were here today, they’d tell us so. Here’s John Adams in the treaty of Tripoli: “As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” And here’s Thomas Jefferson: “…that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions.” And here’s the first amendment to the US Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

What’s more frightening than the perversion of our great history is that sensible strong smart Republicans, the very men and women who should be standing up to radical fundamentalism, are so frightened in losing primary battles to religious zealots that they’ve thrown in the towel on sanity. So we get this:

>Video of John McCain: Yes, that the constitution established the United States as a Christian nation.<


Do you agree or not?

It’s ironic because the biggest enemy of the phony Republican isn’t Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. It’s this man. [image of Jesus Christ]. He said ‘Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Care for the weakest among us. And always pray in private. ‘

Do you agree or not?




TheHeretic -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 8:15:20 PM)

The text you want to get into isn't what's in the link you posted, Tazzy.  I watched your link, as you speculated I and others wouldn't, and I replied to it.  Maybe if the economy gets moving, we'll get the HBO back.





tazzygirl -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 8:28:45 PM)

Maybe not.

No skin off my nose either way.

Interesting you wont comment on the rest though.

I sorta had that feeling.




SternSkipper -> RE: Newsroom (8/27/2012 8:32:20 PM)

quote:

Oh my. We can't even get two messages into a thread about a frickin' TV show without squawks from the "partisan parrots," as someone (I forget who, alas) once cleverly dubbed them.


Here... they like these
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