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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 7:38:52 PM   
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sorry Cali but that is just wrong on so many levels. it's his given name no matter what else it is. it is personal to him. so it makes no difference what anyone else thinks of it. i would not change my son's name to suit some dosy twat being outraged for everyone else no matter what it meant.

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I don't understand what you mean. His given name is Hunter. The sign he uses does not mean "hunter", it is a made-up sign that is used to refer to him.



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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 7:42:47 PM   
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And yes, actually, if a child's name was pronounced "fuck", I can very well see a meeting with the parents to ask if he can be called something else in school.

Cali



That's ridiculous. Who gets to make those rules on what names get banned then? Schools in the US have students from most races and cultures, I'm sure some English names sound like off putting words in other languages. So does everyone's name get put through a filter to see if it sounds like a bad word in every other possible language in the world? That would be the only fair way to do it, then I'm sure half the children in school would need to be called something else. So if the Korean name of Joo Il resembled the word for shit in Swahili then it would have to be changed? Mary in English resembles fuck in Polish so it also gets changed?


I said nothing about "fair", as that is where you show sheep and cows and pigs.

In an English-speaking school, if a child's name was pronounced "shit", then yes, he should be called something else in school.

If Mary goes to a Polish-speaking school, then yes, I would expect them to find something else to call her other than the Polish word for "fuck".

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 7:50:19 PM   
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One of the people on Stargate- the actor, I mean- was named Rainbow Sun Franks, and Ars' mother used to work with a couple whose names meant "Mr. and Mrs. Cunt" up here. I fail to see a problem with that, although it could certainly be useful to give a kid a nickname to use alongside his/her regular name, if the regular name causes a problem. Banning names seems to be a pretty fucked up thing to do, in my opinion, which is why I've been opposed to that up here (you can't use the traditional name Varg, for instance).

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 7:52:13 PM   
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Sorry, but I think the sign for the boy's name looks just fine.  Anyone who knows the sign alphabet would likely agree that, given the school's stance, they should probably get rid of the letter "h", too, just for good measure.  I mean, it looks a whole lot more like a weapon than little Hunter's personal sign name. 

And then there is "L", which of course, is the same symbol that hearing folks use to imply someone is a loser.  So, just to be sensitive, they should probably get rid of that one, too.  We don't want to offend anyone.

Sheesh!  The kid is deaf.  Cut him some slack.  There is nothing vulgar or threatening in the sign.  There is a point where being politically correct has to take a back seat to common sense.


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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 7:58:56 PM   
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When I first saw the headline on Yahell, I was sure I was going to click on the link and find that the child or his parents were of Norwegian descent and his name was "Gunnar" which is (I believe) an actual Norwegian (or one of the Nordik country) name.


Correct. It's a common name in Scandinavia, though pronounced more like "goon-NAR" in well articulated speech.

In fast speech, I can see it being heard as "gunner" in English.

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 7:59:42 PM   
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I can only imagine what these fuckwit administrators would have done if a student from a school that I taught at back in the 80's enrolled.

She was a straight A student, fine human being and homecoming queen. Her first name was (I shit you not)


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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 8:00:40 PM   
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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 8:10:56 PM   
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You know...I am usually staunchly on the side of school administration, but this is a case of idiocy.

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 8:34:27 PM   
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Zero Tolerance = Zero Brained School Administrators

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/28/2012 9:26:35 PM   
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Seriously????


This just pisses me off...



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/school-asks-deaf-preschooler-change-sign-language-name-191629255.html


It's not their job to think. It's their job to enforce rules. No matter how idiotic. It's what our society requires.

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 4:21:09 AM   
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It's not their job to think. It's their job to enforce rules. No matter how idiotic. It's what our society requires.


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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 6:38:09 AM   
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sorry Cali but that is just wrong on so many levels. it's his given name no matter what else it is. it is personal to him. so it makes no difference what anyone else thinks of it. i would not change my son's name to suit some dosy twat being outraged for everyone else no matter what it meant.

needles


it doesn't just stand for his first name, but his whole name. it's sign language, it's his name, it's stupid to ask the parents to change it just because some dickhead thinks it looks like a gun sign. i think it draws more attention to it, and the fact that it is then considered to be something wrong than if they just shut the fuck up and let him have his own name. if my child chose to change his name, sign, to a nickname then cool, but no twat behind a desk should get to make that choice for him. it's against his rights.

needles

I don't understand what you mean. His given name is Hunter. The sign he uses does not mean "hunter", it is a made-up sign that is used to refer to him.





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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 6:55:43 AM   
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Ya know, the world is becoming an increasingly bizarre and unrecognizable place to me.

Zero tolerance... what a crock of shit. Zero tolerance is moral cowardice. It absolves a person from having to make the tough decisions... and in some cases, as this situation has demonstrated, the blatantly, obviously, easy ones as well.

This kind of shit, this early in the morning, is putting me into my cynical punk mode.

Hey Grand Island, Nebraska School District... this is for you.

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 7:32:17 AM   
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"Zero Tolerance" is a crock, indeed! Being the age I am and raising my UMs when I did puts me into a very weird category because it was a new thing, when I was raising my youngest (he's 24).

If it wouldn't be off-topic, I'd love to post a "zero tolerance" story from when my youngest was 5 or 6? OP?



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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 7:33:27 AM   
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Please do, Michael.

how is zero tolerance off topic???

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 7:52:03 AM   
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I'm pretty sure my youngest (also Michael) was in kindergarten (which in my mind makes it worse than first grade). I went to go pick him up at his school and instead of him, waiting by the curb, I found his principal who was probably about 10-15 years older than I was, at the time.

I said: "Where's Michael?" He told me that we "needed to talk"

Now, any parent knows the flood of emotions, going through my mind, at that point.

I follow the principal into the school and there's Michael, sitting right outside the office door. I'm thinking: "Well, thank God he isn't hurt!"

I say: "What's going on, bud?"

Before my son can answer, the principal says: "Why don't we go in here" and takes me into his office.

He sits me down and gives me two minutes on the schools "Zero Tolerance" policy (1993 or 1994 I forget what year, exactly). I listen and then he says they're going to be giving Michael an "in-school suspension" for having a fight on the playground.

I ask: "What happened?" and the principal starts into the two minute spiel about the "Zero Tolerance" policy. I listen, patiently, again and re-ask: "What happened, though?"

Again, I start getting the canned response so, I say: "Let's ask Michael" and this idiot's response is: I don't think we need to do that. What he has to say isn't important"

"Excuse me, sir. You want to suspend my son and what he has to say isn't important?" Once again, he starts his mantra.

I stand up, open the office door and say: "Michael, come in here, please"

The principal is pissed and hemming and hawing and trying to keep Michael from saying anything. Finally, I say: "Excuse me, sir. I'm trying to talk to my son."

"Michael, what happened?"

"I pushed Patrick and Mr. ________ is going to suspend me and get me in trouble with you ..."

"Why did you push Patrick?"

"He was hitting Christine"

Now, I look at the principal like: "Is this true?"

The principal's response is: 'We have a 'Zero Tolerance' policy ..."

So, I ask, out loud: "Sir, is this true?"

"We have a 'Zero ..."

"Sir, if you say 'Zero Tolerance' one more time, I'm going to laugh or puke"

Finally, I get him to say something like "There seems to have been an altercation between two other students that Michael got involved in ..."

I cut him off, again and looked at Michael and said: "Michael, schools have rules that they have to enforce whether I agree with them or not and the school is going to suspend you for three days. While you're at home ..."

Principal: "It's an in-school suspension"

Me: "No. It isn't. Michael, while you're at home, I am going to show you the consequences of your actions. Now, how about we go and get some ice cream?"

We went to the zoo, a ballgame, and a (I think Star Trek) movie on the three days that Michael wasn't in school.

(Just to be clear: the reason I wouldn't sit for in-school suspension is because the school still gets their federal money. This guy was trying to play both ends of the field and I wasn't having it. Mar my son's record for stupidity but, you're going to pay a price, too)



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Michael


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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 8:09:24 AM   
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NICELY DONE!!

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 8:14:13 AM   
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I should have added that I did keep reminding Michael that the school was going to continue to enforce it's rules and that I preferred he didn't break them but sometimes, a good deed doesn't go un-punished.

I wondered, then (and everyone told me I was stupid and being far too reactionary) if we weren't sending our children a wrong message.

Also, when I found out that the school's "Zero Tolerance" policy apparently didn't extend to little Patrick (whose father was a local cop). I went ballistic until he was also suspended. I hated doing it to the kid, per se but WTF does "Zero Tolerance" mean, anyway?



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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 9:29:15 AM   
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Michael i would have done exactly the same thing. double standards also piss me off.

zero tolerance is a great theory, but in practice it usually installs stupidity into the people who do the enforcing.

in my son's case; it's ok if all the girls dye their hair blonde, have streaks, high lights, low lights, or dye it red, black or brown even though the school dictate that children must not dye their hair under the school uniform blanket.

coming into the summer holidays, 3 days before end of term, the boy wanted his hair dying for going on scout camp, and his ear pierced. i was traveling the week he was going so wouldn't have time to dye it when school finished. so on the sunday night i bleached a stripe from left temple to behind his right ear. i got a call from school to say he'd been put in isolation for breaking school uniform rules. i thought that excessively drastic for a boy who has never been in trouble in the whole of school time (and had also had his hair dyed blonde before with no problems other than one teacher telling him he looked like a badger) i spoke about what the girls do and was told that had he had streaks all over it would have been fine, but because it was a block of colour he'd broken the rules, and they had a zero tolerance for this. i was told though that if he covered it up, eg dyed it all one colour, he could go back to class. 'oh i can assure you the blonde will be covered by tomorrow' says i. 'that's wonderful' says teacher.

boy and i had a chat about where he was willing to spend the next day in school when he got home. so the next day the boy goes back to school, and true to my word the stipe was covered. the boy spent the day in isolation due to the fact that we dyed it purple. the teacher has another bitch fit at me and i tell her that tomorrow his hair will be different. now bare in mind that it's last day of school, and it's a paid non uniform day. so you'd think that a no uniform day also applies to his hair and that if he pays his money all is well. but no, he spent his last day in isolation because he was still breaking their stupid rules. i had left in the purple stripe, but i'd also dyed the rest black. it looked fantastic, and was the envy of his mates, but apparently hair falls under the uniform when it's a uniform day, but it doesn't fall under uniform when it's a none uniform day.

i told the teacher that their rules are stupid, and that she herself was stupid for not being able to tell me why she was enforcing a rule that wasn't covered for the last day. it seriuosly pissed me off that they were dictating to me how i should let my son have his hair anyway, but that they couldn't keep it applicable across all students, or make their minds up whether it was covered under one rule or not just made my blood boil.

the bright colours were wash out ones, so he spent the whole summer with either electric blue, purple or pink in his stripe. i did dye it all black for him going back to school which apparently doesn't fall into the no tolerance rule of 'students must not dye their hair'.

not sure really why i told you that lol

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RE: OMFG!! Deaf child needs to change his name? - 8/29/2012 11:24:12 AM   
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WTF does "Zero Tolerance" mean, anyway?


It's a synonym for fundamentalism.

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