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Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates pub... - 8/29/2012 3:35:30 AM   
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Neil Boortz: "And, ladies and gentlemen, it is 100 years of government education that led us to the point that a man like Barack Obama could be sworn in as president of the United States."

Right there. Public Education allows black people to advance socially and economically.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 5:12:37 AM   
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Neil Boortz: "And, ladies and gentlemen, it is 100 years of government education that led us to the point that a man like Barack Obama could be sworn in as president of the United States."

Right there. Public Education allows black people to advance socially and economically.



Not at all. Public education provided enough dumbing down that someone like Obama could be elected. Prior to him was Bush. Next up, Mittens.

Why is it all you can see is race?

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 5:18:17 AM   
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Neil Boortz: "And, ladies and gentlemen, it is 100 years of government education that led us to the point that a man like Barack Obama could be sworn in as president of the United States."

Right there. Public Education allows black people to advance socially and economically.

I didn't see it as a racial thing, I saw it as a socioeconomic thing.

A child who grows up poor in a single parent household (for part of the time at least) can grow up to be prez.

Blacks aren't the only ones who grow up in a situation like that yaknow.



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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 7:10:33 AM   
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And what is significant the radical republicans who formed that party by that name legislated land grant colleges and public education. Some might remember Seward, Greeley, Horace Mann, and so on.......

So, looks like they fucked that up as well and were for it before they were against it.



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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 10:13:52 AM   
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The Republicans over a 100 years ago are not the same Republican Party of today.This is certainly no party of Lincoln

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 10:26:57 AM   
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Neil Boortz: "And, ladies and gentlemen, it is 100 years of government education that led us to the point that a man like Barack Obama could be sworn in as president of the United States."

Right there. Public Education allows black people to advance socially and economically.



Not at all. Public education provided enough dumbing down that someone like Obama could be elected. Prior to him was Bush. Next up, Mittens.

Why is it all you can see is race?

Public education is the bedrock of the American middle class. Denying that fact is dumb.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 10:46:25 AM   
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Neal Boortz The failed Jurist turned political propagandist that sounds like a something associated with irritable bowel syndrome.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 11:11:41 AM   
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Neil Boortz: "And, ladies and gentlemen, it is 100 years of government education that led us to the point that a man like Barack Obama could be sworn in as president of the United States."

Right there. Public Education allows black people to advance socially and economically.


Apparently not if they are publicly educated themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama#Education_summary

Hor for their offspring

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/21/AR2008112103248.html

Go figure.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 11:15:22 AM   
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Neil Boortz: "And, ladies and gentlemen, it is 100 years of government education that led us to the point that a man like Barack Obama could be sworn in as president of the United States."

Right there. Public Education allows black people to advance socially and economically.



Not at all. Public education provided enough dumbing down that someone like Obama could be elected. Prior to him was Bush. Next up, Mittens.

Why is it all you can see is race?

Public education is the bedrock of the American middle class. Denying that fact is dumb.



Maybe so, but that says nothing about the quality of what is being produced.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 12:16:12 PM   
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What is the quality?

I guess if you keep lowering teachers salaries, remove their rights to unionize, and cut the shit out of education funding, come up with idiotic shit like no child left behind, like any other product, there is some suffering of quality.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 12:40:14 PM   
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The Right turned against public education and began the home schooling movement when the Supremes banned prayer in the Public schools.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 1:15:12 PM   
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The Right turned against public education and began the home schooling movement when the Supremes banned prayer in the Public schools.



You know, I remember all the threats of pulling kids. I just wonder what the numbers were a year or two later. Or even today.
I have friends who pulled their kids for more issues of convenience (They own a seasonal restaurant and travel the world with their kids in the off season)... And they returned their kids to school "because of the monumental hassles". so I wonder what right Wingers' experience has been.


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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 1:37:25 PM   
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The destruction of the public school
along with the destruction of the social
net seems to be a part of the Republican
agenda. Get rid of the department of
education. Charter schools. What society
doesn't benefit from having a sizeable
percentage of it's members be functioning
illiterates who learn to never question
anything or think for themselves.

Barack Obama grew up at least lower
middle class. His grandmother worked
in a bank and his grandfather sold
insurance. His secondary education was
at an elite private school paid for by
his grandparents. His mother was an
anthropoogist and his stepfather was
also college educated and middle class.

I think this was just another coded message.
The liberals have taken over the public
schools and media. They've brainwashed
and guilt tripped the populace into voting
for this bad man, this unqualified man,
this FFS he isn't even a real American man.





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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 1:59:05 PM   
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Conservatives hate public education for a number of reasons:

A) It costs money

This should be a no-brainer for most non-conservative thinking types. Education costs money. Teachers should be paid more, because in order to be proficient at teaching one must study and take exams for the proper licenses. The buildings that education is usually taught in require updating and/or construction of new facilities. All the materials needed to teach concepts, thoughts and ideas cost money as well. In addition, food and the folks that prepare it require money to operate. My state of Masschusetts has one of the highest rates for acedemic success in the country; where as mid-western states like Kansas rank pretty low for education spending and success. Students graduating from Massachusetts area public schools tend to get into college and higher levels of the military. Mid-western states that preach low goverment spending 'enjoy' watching many of their kids drop out of school before hitting high school and becoming unskilled labor for fiften to twenty years.

To have a good education, requires resources. Individuals (unless they are fifthy rich) can not afford the scale of economies required to fund such an operation (or even get one started). What is 'scale of economies'? That's a concept you should have learned in economics.....

B) Could make them educated enough to see through Republican lies

Educating students in many disciplines at once as been shown by studies to be the best method of learning. Learning mathematics, science, history, civics, art, and even athletics helps develop a well-rounded young mind. As they age up towards college they start to understand inconsistancies exist and how not only to find them but how to correct them. Some in high school and most in college learn a skill called 'critical thinking'. It allows one to examine information given to them and weight the possibility against the source on how trustworthy is the information. Even still, folks that have this skill can and often check and recheck the information for accuracy. Those with this skill have learned to NEVER take much of what FOX News states on its programs as factual or true until its checked once or twice. Republicans hate people that think for themselves; they tend to be the most understanding of one's rights.....but....also the wisdom that the limitations prevent things from getting out of hand.

Right now, at the RNC, there are teams of people that study the information being given from its many public speakers for truthfulness and facts. Those that have gain good educations (whether limited to just a diploma or beyond) will tend to weigh the information before believing it. Republicans hate people that they can not control fully like slaves or peons.

C) They might learn useful skills

As a child learns more about the world, they learn skills that can help them in many aspects of their future lives. Some form the basis for more advanced knowledge to be learned, others, provide the basics should they wish to expand later in life. Becoming adept or well proficient at something could land the young adult a very good job. But not having a public school, in a place where the individual can be tested and try many different things at once.....would they stumble upon this concept. How many home schoolers you know get football scholarships? How many homeschoolers you know can deal well with those that went to a public high school? When I was in a Florida University, I could spot the home schoolers in the dorms....they stuck out....in a crowd. High Schoolers can get along with each other, but my experience is home schoolers had very little to any social skills.

And interacting with people, without skills (or social skills) can get one in trouble. Which might explain why a large number of conservatives can seem to handle dealing with people on a score of topics.....like politics.

D) Kids might study science....and like it!

This has elements of B & C above. When kids are exposed to the wonders and curiousities of science, many of them do take to it. And it ranges from the historical sicences, to hard and onto soft sciences. The students have more information at their finger tips than in any other age of mankind's history! Science and engineering are what turn this country from 'farmlands and the sticks' to the only world super power. The recent passing of Mr. Armstrong did not make world history for being who he was, but what he accomplished (which was a horde of scientists and engineers developing systems to get him off planet Earth). Back in those days, many a child became facinated with science enough to make it their career. Even today, scientists are ecouraging young minds to think for themselves and study hard, so that one day they too might be studying something that was all '....just a pile of guess work' a decade ago.

E) Interaction with their peers

Social skills are not the sort of concept most homeschoolers can ever learn. Learning social skills in a public system really....is.....a pain in the ass! Unlike learning mathematic or civic skills, social skills often dont come from the black board or from a book, but by trial and error. The good news, is that those that go to a public high school can generally get along with anyone else that ALSO went to a public high school. They can share the ups and downs of their school experience. As I said before, homeschoolers in a college setting were pretty good at the acedemics but it comes at the cost of social skills. I dont find many homeschoolers that are police officers, doctors that interact with patients, or business folks. These and other professions require good social skills to handle the toughest situations....diplomatically. Interactions, one with the background as a homeschoolers would find very difficult to accomplish.

Public Education as gotten a bad notion to it over the years by many conservatives. But that education is what one puts effort, time and resources into making. It doesnt work by just throwing tons of money at the problem. It works when people, put the right resources together, at the right time, to handle the abundant number of problems that often develop. My state of Massachusetts does very well with education in the public education front. Are we perfect? Not really. Do we have problems? Oh yes.... But we deal with problems not only like adults, but adults with educations and wisdom to solve as many problems as we can muster. Getting rid of public education is one method to start controlling how the public thinks on things. And as I stated before, Republicans HATE people that can think for themselves!

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 3:03:25 PM   
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Neil Boortz: "And, ladies and gentlemen, it is 100 years of government education that led us to the point that a man like Barack Obama could be sworn in as president of the United States."

Right there. Public Education allows black people to advance socially and economically.



Not at all. Public education provided enough dumbing down that someone like Obama could be elected. Prior to him was Bush. Next up, Mittens.

Why is it all you can see is race?

Public education is the bedrock of the American middle class. Denying that fact is dumb.



Maybe so, but that says nothing about the quality of what is being produced.

Yes it does actually. Public education does a great job of educating all children despite huge obstacles.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 3:05:22 PM   
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The Right turned against public education and began the home schooling movement when the Supremes banned prayer in the Public schools.

Actually it has a lot more to do with Brown v Board. Areas without significant minorit populations do not have cons calling for vouchers and 'school choice.'

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 3:13:17 PM   
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The Republicans over a 100 years ago are not the same Republican Party of today.This is certainly no party of Lincoln


Neither is what those who don't read history, recall of Lincoln.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 4:06:01 PM   
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The Republicans over a 100 years ago are not the same Republican Party of today.This is certainly no party of Lincoln


And the Dems are no party of Kennedy, whats your point?

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 5:14:46 PM   
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The Right turned against public education and began the home schooling movement when the Supremes banned prayer in the Public schools.

Actually it has a lot more to do with Brown v Board. Areas without significant minorit populations do not have cons calling for vouchers and 'school choice.'


Brown v Board was issued in 1954. But I think you are mostly right as I recall it. Busing became a big issue in the 1970s. That was an impetus for the formation of many a fly-by-night private school. A big motivator today for home schooling I suspect is anti-Darwinism.

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RE: Neal Boortz explains why the Republican Party hates... - 8/29/2012 5:53:10 PM   
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The Right turned against public education and began the home schooling movement when the Supremes banned prayer in the Public schools.

Actually it has a lot more to do with Brown v Board. Areas without significant minorit populations do not have cons calling for vouchers and 'school choice.'


Brown v Board was issued in 1954. But I think you are mostly right as I recall it. Busing became a big issue in the 1970s. That was an impetus for the formation of many a fly-by-night private school. A big motivator today for home schooling I suspect is anti-Darwinism.

Home schooling is mostly a conservative christian thing to avoid evolution and sex education. I'm not really sure which would come out as the top reason if you could get honest answers out of those involved.

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