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VaguelyCurious -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 3:44:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I love corrupting the vanilla, or introducing kinky women to things they've never done before.


You've never struck me as somebody threatened by a partner with experience, though.

My hunch is that you'd see any experience as an invitation to one-up it. :p




Winterapple -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 3:46:02 PM)

FR
In vanilla and kink you see relationships
that are kindergarten level. But only a
limited person is content to stay in
kindergarten forever. If as was said
the teacher is only qualified on the
kindergarten level the student will
outgrow the teacher and leave to
seek a partner who challenges them
and a relationship that allows them
to grow not be stunted. This leaves
some sulky teachers behind.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 3:49:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
My hunch is that you'd see any experience as an invitation to one-up it. :p

You know how, in the best magic shows, you can feel like a child again for a moment, because something happens that is totally amazing? Giving that to a woman who has "been around" is such a rush. The last woman I had a relationship with, I asked her about fantasies she had that she never expected to come true. She told me, and I made some of them happen. She had been doing BDSM since she was *ahem*-many years old. Her experience made the new territory sweeter for both of us.





OsideGirl -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 3:50:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
My hunch is that you'd see any experience as an invitation to one-up it. :p

You know how, in the best magic shows, you can feel like a child again for a moment, because something happens that is totally amazing? Giving that to a woman who has "been around" is such a rush. The last woman I had a relationship with, I asked her about fantasies she had that she never expected to come true. She told me, and I made some of them happen. She had been doing BDSM since she was *ahem*-many years old. Her experience made the new territory sweeter for both of us.


That's hot!




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 3:51:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
My hunch is that you'd see any experience as an invitation to one-up it. :p

You know how, in the best magic shows, you can feel like a child again for a moment, because something happens that is totally amazing? Giving that to a woman who has "been around" is such a rush. The last woman I had a relationship with, I asked her about fantasies she had that she never expected to come true. She told me, and I made some of them happen. She had been doing BDSM since she was *ahem*-many years old. Her experience made the new territory sweeter for both of us.

In other words: yes, VC, your hunch was totally accurate. Well done for having me pegged like the pegged thing that I am. (No pun intended.)

:p ( :-) )




sexyred1 -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 3:53:21 PM)

You know, sometimes getting something you wished for backfires.

As in being with an inexperienced person. To turn the tables around, I was way more experienced than my ex, in fact, I was his first sub.

I corrupted him and it was all good until his inner sadist arrived.

So my swan turned into a evil dragon and his needs became too crazy for me.

Now, of course I was not seeking out an inexperienced guy, it just happened that way.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 3:55:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
Well done for having me pegged like the pegged thing that I am. (No pun intended.)


Someday I'll be in London, and I'll remind you of this sentence with a devilish grin. And my eyes will be brimming with possibilities.

And if OsideGirl is there too, now *that* would be hot.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 3:59:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

And if OsideGirl is there too, now *that* would be hot.

I'm with you on that one [:D][:D][:D]




OsideGirl -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 4:07:50 PM)

Oh, hey, I'm blushing now....




Winterapple -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 4:10:41 PM)

And to keep on with this teaching thing.
The goals of good teaching are to produce
someone who can think for themselves.
A good student will challenge the teacher.
I'm not sure this what a lot of teaching
Doms want. They want a absorbent little
sponge who nods and nods and never
questions anything which is fine but
they should just cop to that. Don't
try and wrap it up in all this To Sir
with Love bullshit.

It can be like the ones who go for
the troubled and the cracked exclusively.
They don't see themselves as being
dependent on the dependent.
Nah, they're gardener doms who
like to help delicate flowers to
blooom.

But as with the students who leave
kindergarten many flowers find they
bloom better elsewhere.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 4:16:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

What do you think when you see a male Dominant that deliberately seeks out the inexperienced female submissives?

I have my view based on what I've seen in the LA community, but I'm curious what all of you think.




I prefer to pick women up that are holding cardboard signs on the freeway (but only those with newer Nikes).




GreedyTop -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 4:18:47 PM)

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It can be like the ones who go for
the troubled and the cracked exclusively.
They don't see themselves as being
dependent on the dependent.
Nah, they're gardener doms who
like to help delicate flowers to
blooom.

But as with the students who leave
kindergarten many flowers find they
bloom better elsewhere.


I love this.




Buzzzz -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 4:28:45 PM)

I know one of those on Fet. Goes to our local dungeon and always hangs around the noobies because all the experienced subs make fun of him he drives from NJ all the way to Greensboro to play.
quote:

If you go to your first munch and someone comes over and immediately starts acting in a posessive manner, RUN. It's a Noobhunter.
Note, this is different behavior from the guy (or gal) who leads you around and introduces you to everyone if he senses a 'wallflower'.
The former person will try to isolate you from others to make him the best possibility you've met (because you havent met anyone else).
Early overt posessiveness is your key.
Beware the guy who talks to you for 5 minutes and then acts jealous if you talk to someone else.

BDSM relationships are like nilla relationships. The best ones begin as a friendship and gradually grow to something more intimate.
If someone contacts you and in their first email, they assume some kind of ownership of you, laugh your ass off and then ignore them.


This is just one type of newbie predator. We have a man in our community who uses the non-threatening, non-possessive friend approach instead. His MO is to send out literally dozens of messages per day. One of his former "subs" (read: fuck buddy he occasionally spanked) let him use her laptop to logon to his account on another website. He forgot to log off. She found pages and pages of messages he initiated to every new profile with an "F" and numbers lower than 46. By his own admission, he spends almost all his time either combing through profiles to find new female profiles on that other fetish website or chatting with women on yahoo and other messengers. He tells these women that he just wants to be friends with them, that he just wants to answer their questions and help introduce them to the lifestyle safely (funny that he only wants to help women, eh?). He even does this with new young women who list themselves as dominants, hoping that they might be new and unsure enough to do something with him. After chatting with women for a while in a seemingly friendly way, he starts turning it more and more towards play. He tells them he just wants to teach them. He claims to be mentoring or teaching every woman he fucks, though he honestly doesn't even know how to use a flogger or what the word protocol means and when, at a play party, somebody mentioned service submission, he had no idea what that was. He also trash talks other men in the community if any of these young women ask him about them after they've been chatting, telling them that other doms are unsafe, or inept, or whatever insult he chooses that day to try to convince newbies that he is the only good dominant in our area. If he convinces a woman to play with him after days, weeks, or months of chatting her up in a non-threatening manner, he makes it all about sex. If the woman asks him to try other things, he hedges or ignores her outright. If she wants to play with other people to experience new things, he tells her how horrible and unsafe that man is and how he just wants to make sure she'll be safe. Women are toys to him, and he knows anybody with *any* experience will see straight through his bullshit and ineptitude in almost all realms of BDSM. That's why he goes for newbies, and lots of them. His conquests tend to be short lived, as he never stops chatting up the newbies and the ones who have been with him for a while eventually start feeling used, jealous of the constant stream of new starry-eyed women, and frustrated at the lack of variety in play. This is the report from more than half a dozen women in the last year alone.

There are many patterns that predators may use. Some of the things you'll see in most types, but keep in mind each one may be different:
*Sticks to newbies exclusively
*Has many, many partners and little or no time in between new partners
*May try to keep many of his partners quiet, telling them not to announce that they're together or not wanting to interact at BDSM events
*Usually tells lots of little white lies or dodges questions
*Claims to be teaching or mentoring every woman he fucks, despite a lack of knowledge in many areas of BDSM or any specialized skills
*Has been doing this for a long while
*Bases his ideas about BDSM heavily or exclusively around sex
*Many of his partners wind up abruptly leaving the scene for good or taking a long break when the relationship with him ends, because they feel used, victimized, etc. (Yes, I know relationships can end badly when they're legitimate--but if it's something that happens every three months with the same person involved over and over, it should raise a red flag.)
*Very welcoming and friendly to female newbies, but mostly ignores male newbies
*Very persistent in pursuing many women all the time, even if it isn't done in a threatening way
*Usually presents himself as a nice, helpful guy, especially to women and newbies (this one is nothing to be concerned about by itself, but along with several of the other warning signs should be viewed suspiciously)




DaddySatyr -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 4:29:54 PM)

I just scanned through the responses. In no way did I read every post so here are some smie-~FR~ thoughts:

I saw a couple of people, touching on the "molding" or "blank canvas" aspect. I am reminded of the story (I wasn't there so I can't attest to its truthfulness) of someone asking Michaelangelo how he created such fine sculptures. His response was: "I didn't create the sculpture. I just freed it from the rock."

If I were ever to espouse some amount of like for "training" or "molding" or "newbies", that would be it.

I see too many coming into the lifestyle, wanting someone to "train me to be submissive". I'n my mind, I'm thinking: "Okay, as long as you train me to be an aardvark".

Of course, we can teach protocols or certain behaviors but to me, what a submissive brings to the table is that inner drive that compels them to devote themselves to the right person. It's a force of nature.

Now, obviously, this doesn't exclude some people that are just beginning to discover or identify this nature of theirs but, I guess, that isn't really the topic (sort of).

FOR THE MOST PART; the dominants that I have seen that specifically look for "newbs" are predators; just the way they talk about the new-comers and the way their voices change and ... I can sense the hunt, starting to form.

Now, this doesn't mean that when they "get" a newbie they're going to do something nefarious to them but the way in which they go about it makes my skin crawl (and yes, it does speak to the "protector" in me. What can I say? Guys that are raped go one of two ways. I'll take "protector" over the alternative). I bolded and capitalized the first four words of the preceding paragraph for a reason.

I'm sure that youth plays some part in this because it seems that by-and-large, we need a bit of life experience before we come to recognize/identify/to grips with who we are but, I can tell you that I have introduced a couple of ladies that are my senior by a few years to this lifestyle. So, it isn't strictly about age.

For the most part, I actually prefer for the lady (submissive) to have a bit more experience (that's practical; not just chronological) than I.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




OsideGirl -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 5:18:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I'm sure that youth plays some part in this because it seems that by-and-large, we need a bit of life experience before we come to recognize/identify/to grips with who we are but, I can tell you that I have introduced a couple of ladies that are my senior by a few years to this lifestyle. So, it isn't strictly about age.


Oddly enough, it's been my observation that the older novices seem to fall for the predator easier than someone young. Maybe it's because the younger novices receive much more attention and have a larger playing field.




Aswad -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 5:20:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

What do you think when you see a male Dominant that deliberately seeks out the inexperienced female submissives?


I dunno. With the impression I have of the scene around these parts, that's the only thing I would go there for, myself.

And, yes, they would see me the same as the majority of the posters on the first page: as a problem, at best.

Course, I wouldn't turn down the experienced ones, so you could try to refine the question a bit:
  • Is this person looking for actual inexperience, youth or someone new to the local scene?
  • Is this person selecting exclusively for that, or preferentially?
  • Is this person new to the local scene?
  • What are other doms there like?
  • etc.
I'm not surprised at how it's seen, or unaware of it. People are quick to judge, and I'm used to being judged negatively by those that don't take the time to get to know me, or those I find uninteresting myself, while being judged more positively by those I do connect with, of course. That most of the people here I have a positive relationship would have had a number of thoughts about me, none of them happy, should probably give some of them reason to reconsider one of those two positions.

Or maybe I just haven't spent enough time in the local scene to recognize a particular stereotype to which you're referring.

In fact, I avoid the local scene entirely.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





OsideGirl -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 5:28:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Is this person looking for actual inexperience, youth or someone new to the local scene?
Actual inexperience, regardless of age.

quote:

Is this person selecting exclusively for that, or preferentially?
It's their primary concern behind sex and being submissive.

I've seen it both online and in the community.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 5:42:41 PM)

Oside, I would like to make one other observation:

I don't think gender should enter into it. I have seen dominas do the same thing. When I ask their reasoning, I get an answer akin to: "I don't want to correct someone else's mistakes".

Now, in my scan of this thread, I did see someone (forgive me for not remembering who it was) who said something about it being easier to teach acceptable behavior than to un-teach un-acceptable behavior. I agree with that but I think, as I said before; that behaviors and protocols are not all that difficult to teach a submissive if that submissive has decided that they wish to submit.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




OsideGirl -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 5:47:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Oside, I would like to make one other observation:

I don't think gender should enter into it. I have seen dominas do the same thing. When I ask their reasoning, I get an answer akin to: "I don't want to correct someone else's mistakes"l



I've seen women do it as well and some with far less altruistic intentions than undoing someone else's mistakes.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced (8/29/2012 6:07:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
I strongly disagree, Jeff. Why? B/c this is exactly how that dom predator would do it. The predators like to rush things. Although I personally know of one who has the patience of a snake.

I'd be the second sort of predator. I keep telling Carol that we're still in the "lulling her into a false sense of security" phase. In another 50 years or so when she is fully lulled then I will spring the jaws of my vicious trap Bwwahahahahahaha.

I'll bail on the rest of the thread though. I know how I do things but I'm pretty sure it's not BDSM-norm and may not work out well for other people.


If it works for You and Carol, why should anyone else care?




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