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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
With that being the case, I have a difficult time understanding how someone can call that prostitution.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
With that being the case, I have a difficult time understanding how someone can call that prostitution.

disingenuous at best and well below your actual level of understanding and empathy. You could've just said, "you're stupid, nyah nyah" and been done with it.

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ORIGINAL: seekingreality

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK





ETA: again, just bc someone might pay me for a session, do NOT mean they are in control. I have no issues turning money down. Things in sessions are My way, period. That is also explained up front.

To me, this is evading the key point.

If the purpose of the encounter, ultimately, is to genetate money, then the real decision maker is the person with the money. You can turn the money down -- but only after it's offered. You can't, however, force the person to make the offer.

I've never given a domme money, and I never would. If I was willing to do that, though, you can bet I'd understand it changes from a seller's market to a buyer's market. It can be difficult to find a domme for a lifestyle relationship; if I were willing to pay, I could find a domme in two seconds. And I would order up exactly what I wanted in terms of looks and services,

You say you might turn the money down? Who gives a shit -- there are dozens of women right behind you eager for the money, And that's the harsh fact. Once a domme demands money, she becomes a dime a dozen in my book.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

If you deny the very viewpoint of the "other side" then they will certainly retaliate by denying yours. And that, pretty much, is the end of anything I'd call a serious thread.

So rightly or wrongly it was intended to be a kick in the pants to you for damaging your own (very useful IMO) thread. I'd prefer to see this thead stay at a more civil and reasonable level.

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
But I strongly disagree with the counter arguments that I've read. IMO, it doesn't constitute "prostitution" in any sense of the word.

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I apologize for that error. You were right for calling me on it.

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No one is REALLY being a victim here.

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

If the case were to go to court, this is what it would probably sound like:

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Judge: That's neither prostitution nor robbery. In reality, you gave her a gift. There is no law against giving or receiving gifts. Case dismissed.

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ORIGINAL: Teroh

I can see how selling sex appeal does on surface appear to be prostitution. In the reallity we live in though, a more appropriate term would simply be business. As I've stated before my chief issue with financial domination is the message it sends to new comers. Just like you wouldn't want a strip club next to an elementary school. Lets say for a moment that absolutely every finDomme and finsub are completely knowing and appreciative of service rendered past present and future. Lets go as far to say in some mechanism that has yet to occur or be explained to me it is even a legitimate aspect of BDSM. We all still see it enough for threads like this to be prevalent and lengthy, so it is reasonable to expect that new comers also see it. I think in all likelihood it does a great deal therefore to damage the impression an even moderately objective individual has of the site. Certainly a profitable business model for the FinDommes, although partially deteriorative for everyone else. Now I'm sure the argument will be brought up that any kink can have this potential affect. Although technically true, the fact that money changes hands as the explicit purpose of the interaction makes it business. Quite literally mixing business with pleasure is different conceptually than preferring certain pleasures and being revolted by others.

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ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder

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ORIGINAL: Teroh

I can see how selling sex appeal does on surface appear to be prostitution. In the reallity we live in though, a more appropriate term would simply be business. As I've stated before my chief issue with financial domination is the message it sends to new comers. Just like you wouldn't want a strip club next to an elementary school. Lets say for a moment that absolutely every finDomme and finsub are completely knowing and appreciative of service rendered past present and future. Lets go as far to say in some mechanism that has yet to occur or be explained to me it is even a legitimate aspect of BDSM. We all still see it enough for threads like this to be prevalent and lengthy, so it is reasonable to expect that new comers also see it. I think in all likelihood it does a great deal therefore to damage the impression an even moderately objective individual has of the site. Certainly a profitable business model for the FinDommes, although partially deteriorative for everyone else. Now I'm sure the argument will be brought up that any kink can have this potential affect. Although technically true, the fact that money changes hands as the explicit purpose of the interaction makes it business. Quite literally mixing business with pleasure is different conceptually than preferring certain pleasures and being revolted by others.

I'm not sure why you would think that it would be a profitable business model for finDommes to have profile after profile of other finDommes popping up. I find it decidedly inconvenient as all the scammers seem to be the most prevalent profiles thus creating some false expectations when a sub ultimately finds a finDomme who isn't out to scam them.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

The differnce is children are well..children and not mature and developed yet to know better.

Newbies are well....adults and one would assume they are mature enough to know better and if they are NOT mature enough to know better than I would suggest that the courts appoint that person a guardian to make decisions for them.

You act as if newbies are children instead of adults.

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ORIGINAL: Teroh

I can see how selling sex appeal does on surface appear to be prostitution. In the reallity we live in though, a more appropriate term would simply be business. As I've stated before my chief issue with financial domination is the message it sends to new comers. Just like you wouldn't want a strip club next to an elementary school. Lets say for a moment that absolutely every finDomme and finsub are completely knowing and appreciative of service rendered past present and future. Lets go as far to say in some mechanism that has yet to occur or be explained to me it is even a legitimate aspect of BDSM. We all still see it enough for threads like this to be prevalent and lengthy, so it is reasonable to expect that new comers also see it. I think in all likelihood it does a great deal therefore to damage the impression an even moderately objective individual has of the site. Certainly a profitable business model for the FinDommes, although partially deteriorative for everyone else. Now I'm sure the argument will be brought up that any kink can have this potential affect. Although technically true, the fact that money changes hands as the explicit purpose of the interaction makes it business. Quite literally mixing business with pleasure is different conceptually than preferring certain pleasures and being revolted by others.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Not semantics at all. You seem to think that adults need to be protected against their own stupidity.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Teroh

I can see how selling sex appeal does on surface appear to be prostitution. In the reallity we live in though, a more appropriate term would simply be business. As I've stated before my chief issue with financial domination is the message it sends to new comers. Just like you wouldn't want a strip club next to an elementary school. Lets say for a moment that absolutely every finDomme and finsub are completely knowing and appreciative of service rendered past present and future. Lets go as far to say in some mechanism that has yet to occur or be explained to me it is even a legitimate aspect of BDSM. We all still see it enough for threads like this to be prevalent and lengthy, so it is reasonable to expect that new comers also see it. I think in all likelihood it does a great deal therefore to damage the impression an even moderately objective individual has of the site. Certainly a profitable business model for the FinDommes, although partially deteriorative for everyone else. Now I'm sure the argument will be brought up that any kink can have this potential affect. Although technically true, the fact that money changes hands as the explicit purpose of the interaction makes it business. Quite literally mixing business with pleasure is different conceptually than preferring certain pleasures and being revolted by others.

Wait. We have to 'save the newbies' because money is changing hands? Are you also of the mind that people new to the lifestyle don't understand pros booking sessions?

This position of how people new to BDSM have to be protected from kinks or practices that *some* people don't like is rather self-righteous.

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ORIGINAL: Teroh

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Teroh

I can see how selling sex appeal does on surface appear to be prostitution. In the reallity we live in though, a more appropriate term would simply be business. As I've stated before my chief issue with financial domination is the message it sends to new comers. Just like you wouldn't want a strip club next to an elementary school. Lets say for a moment that absolutely every finDomme and finsub are completely knowing and appreciative of service rendered past present and future. Lets go as far to say in some mechanism that has yet to occur or be explained to me it is even a legitimate aspect of BDSM. We all still see it enough for threads like this to be prevalent and lengthy, so it is reasonable to expect that new comers also see it. I think in all likelihood it does a great deal therefore to damage the impression an even moderately objective individual has of the site. Certainly a profitable business model for the FinDommes, although partially deteriorative for everyone else. Now I'm sure the argument will be brought up that any kink can have this potential affect. Although technically true, the fact that money changes hands as the explicit purpose of the interaction makes it business. Quite literally mixing business with pleasure is different conceptually than preferring certain pleasures and being revolted by others.

Wait. We have to 'save the newbies' because money is changing hands? Are you also of the mind that people new to the lifestyle don't understand pros booking sessions?

This position of how people new to BDSM have to be protected from kinks or practices that *some* people don't like is rather self-righteous.

Everyone has a vested interest one way or another in a growing community. As far as pro Doms go, I'm not nearly as opposed to them as I am financial ones for these reasons:

1) I perceive on a percentage basis they have a greater legitimate interest in BDSM.
2) the subs theoretically have a better idea of what they're paying for
3) services rendered are more tangibly evident