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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/2/2013 10:02:55 AM

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Wait, I'm a dancer and do not have sex with clients. It's my job to make then want to...but as I said, the object is to NOT give it up.

Or did I completely read that wrong?

No, I'm not saying that all dancers give it up. But clearly some (many?) do. I know that I could go to a gentlemens club tonight and find a dancer who will agree to have sex with me. And it wouldn't take much effort. But it would be much more difficult to get one of these pretty princess financial Dommes to have sex with me. Most of them are in other parts of the country/world. I'm sure a large portion of them are not as young, or beautiful as the photos that they use in their profiles. And I'm certain that many of them are actually male. So having sex with a hot young financial Domme would be extremely difficult.

So how can they be labeled "prostitutes" when they'll almost never meet with their customers in real life, and they DEFINITELY won't have sex with them? Is asking for money but giving nothing in return prostitution? I would agree that it may be unethical, or that it may take advantage of people, but it's not prostitution.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/2/2013 10:29:12 AM

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Yes you are right. There are several that will go home with you. More than not, I assume.
But I agree, I do not know how that's prostitution. Those people never meet anyone.

I also agree with RS on the girls scamming money, nothing pro about that.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/2/2013 12:51:22 PM

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By feeling the need to defend her, you've comprehensively demonstrated you failed to read and understand the point I'm making.

What's the bet some sycophant will agree with you purely to perpetuate the constant pointless cheerleading which goes on in this place.

Update: Either I'm psychic or you people are WAY too predictable.

Or you read my post before you typed yours, but go ahead and think you are psychic, I am sure it will make you feel better about yourself. Perhaps then you won't come across as such a bitter little troll.

TAFKA, for what it's worth, that's not cheer-leading. That's people pointing out what you say you didn't observe. I'd venture to say that thishereboi has seen certain threads that you've missed down in P&R where I've specifically commented regarding My concern for clip's health and welfare. In peon's case, he's probably one of the top five of the people that I haven't had the opportunity to meet in person who know more about My dynamic than the average Joe.

While I absolutely do have gratitude for both of them for bringing clarification, I can reasonably say it's not cheer-leading and it's not defense. I would believe these are honest assessments.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/2/2013 8:19:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA

By feeling the need to defend her, you've comprehensively demonstrated you failed to read and understand the point I'm making.

What's the bet some sycophant will agree with you purely to perpetuate the constant pointless cheerleading which goes on in this place.

Update: Either I'm psychic or you people are WAY too predictable.

Or you read my post before you typed yours, but go ahead and think you are psychic, I am sure it will make you feel better about yourself. Perhaps then you won't come across as such a bitter little troll.

*laugh* Who's bitter? You may want to look in the mirror before you run around casting aspersions. I normally ignore your ranting venom, but the irony in this one was too rich to let pass.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/2/2013 8:37:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA

By feeling the need to defend her, you've comprehensively demonstrated you failed to read and understand the point I'm making.

What's the bet some sycophant will agree with you purely to perpetuate the constant pointless cheerleading which goes on in this place.

Update: Either I'm psychic or you people are WAY too predictable.

Or you read my post before you typed yours, but go ahead and think you are psychic, I am sure it will make you feel better about yourself. Perhaps then you won't come across as such a bitter little troll.

*laugh* Who's bitter? You may want to look in the mirror before you run around casting aspersions. I normally ignore your ranting venom, but the irony in this one was too rich to let pass.

You know absolutely nothing about me and this post proves it.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 12:34:09 AM

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You know absolutely nothing about me and this post proves it.

Uh huh. Yup. Your constant sniping doesn't tell me a whole bunch about you at all.

You just keep telling yourself that, Cupcake.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 12:39:40 AM

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TAFKA, for what it's worth, that's not cheer-leading. That's people pointing out what you say you didn't observe. I'd venture to say that thishereboi has seen certain threads that you've missed down in P&R where I've specifically commented regarding My concern for clip's health and welfare. In peon's case, he's probably one of the top five of the people that I haven't had the opportunity to meet in person who know more about My dynamic than the average Joe.

While I absolutely do have gratitude for both of them for bringing clarification, I can reasonably say it's not cheer-leading and it's not defense. I would believe these are honest assessments.

It wasn't the confused one, it was Peon. And Peon missed the point because we were having a discussion about abstract concepts and both he and you made the unfounded assumption I was talking specifically about you.

Nobody who actually paid any attention to what I posted could reasonably draw that conclusion. His interjection didn't add to the topic and was completely unnecessary. The subsequent re-quoting of his entire post followed by "Yeah, what he said" is the kind of valueless cheer-leading bullshit which brings absolutely nothing to the discussion - it's high school level immaturity writ large and it is SO fucking prevalent on these boards I have no trouble understanding why it's almost impossible for me to find people who can debate intelligently. Most of them have never grown up.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 12:44:35 AM

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Not only that, but prodoms actually run a large number of dungeons, play spaces, conventions and bdsm organisations. Most of the bdsm community has been created, developed and maintained by pro-doms. If we judge people who make money from bdsm, we also have to judge the people who run our dungeons, make our porn, sell our toys and our fetish clothes. Frequently, they are one and the same. Do they stop being lifestyle, because also make money from our lifestyle?

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 1:03:24 AM

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Indeed and in the end most people end up paying for sex in one way or other (I paid a large divorce settlement out to my ex husband and plenty of men pay in marriage and keep a non working wife). In feminist terms it is probably better to charge for sex than rely on a husband to keep you to whom you provide sex and cleaning and childcare services until he gets sick of you and moves to a younger model. At least prostitutes (or more normal business owners like I am) can protect themselves financially.

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Not only that, but prodoms actually run a large number of dungeons, play spaces, conventions and bdsm organisations. Most of the bdsm community has been created, developed and maintained by pro-doms. If we judge people who make money from bdsm, we also have to judge the people who run our dungeons, make our porn, sell our toys and our fetish clothes. Frequently, they are one and the same. Do they stop being lifestyle, because also make money from our lifestyle?

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 5:32:32 AM

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Most of the bdsm community has been created, developed and maintained by pro-doms.

Oh come now, this is a wild ass exaggeration.
If you said Leather folks you may be on to something...but pro's? Naaaaaaaaah

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 5:50:51 AM

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^ true that

Long ago in the 60s, pro ad money may have helped bring light to leather by exposing it to hetros (it used to be mostly gay men) with their ads in swinger magazines. However, their money did not fund the a majority of the leather societies and organizations.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 6:55:18 AM

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Agreed.

If anything........the pro dommes influence MIGHT be more prevalent today, in the more commercial aspects of popular BDSM. But as put by Villian4, as some sort of major historical conttribution, I would say no.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 8:32:13 AM

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I wasn't speaking of history or leather. I was speaking more of bringing bdsm to the general public.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 8:37:35 AM

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Most leather groups are small and run by individuals. But the major dungeons that have play parties up to 50-200 people? Yes, most play spaces are run by prodoms. Many prodoms were the ones who brought bdsm and leather to the hetero community.

But my point was also that there is more to professional bdsm than pro-domination. If we are going to judge some one because they make money off the lifestyle, we also have to judge the people who sell our toys, our fetish clothes, charge us to use their dungeons, etc. There are lot's of ways that money exchanges hands in our lifestyle. Floggers are not free. Restraints and rope are not free. Dungeon space on a saturday night is not free.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 8:39:48 AM

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I wouldn't say leather folks have contributed as much either. Most leather folks avoid the general hetero bdsm community.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 9:37:29 AM

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I think that the problems arise because so many scammers have realized that there is an opportunity to take advantage of people, and they've entered the fray.

I think that the problems arise because so many scammers have realized that there is an opportunity to take advantage of people, and they've entered the fray.

And that is exactly .. what tee's me off.

I know I have no problem, taking a Lady to dinner, and other nice places.

I know I have no problem, helping someone whom I have feelings for (If needed).

But I have a HUGE PROBLEM .. with Domme's, who say, I am the Domme, and I told you to send me money! And sometimes, they live CLOSE ENOUGH to drive by and pick it up! (but still want it sent electronically).

Yes, I have seen, and confronted, this from NUMEROUS financial Dommes here on CM.

And to be honest, my opinion is:

NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM is this a legitimate D/s Activity.

My response is: report them to the police!

And that is all I have to say about this BS.

Rochsub2009 .. You are just too kind heart-ed!

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 9:43:55 AM

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Report them to the police on what grounds? Saying "send me money or you don't get my attention!"? Last I knew that wasn't illegal. Questionable to many people's morality perhaps, illegal no.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 9:48:13 AM

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So you call or report to the police that "this woman has a business and wants pay for the time she works" ?

Police: "is she harming you or doing anything illegal?"
You: "no, but it's not legit in my eyes so I'm reporting her!"

It isn't about Roch being too kind hearted. It's about others enjoying their kink and fetish. I may not agree with someone taking a dump on another person, but if they like it..who am I to say that isn't real or legit?

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 9:54:28 AM

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Just say no. It's really that simple. If they are doing this online, visit other sites. Don't look. The same as any other type of play or scene.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 9:54:50 AM

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Report them to the police on what grounds? Saying "send me money or you don't get my attention!"? Last I knew that wasn't illegal. Questionable to many people's morality perhaps, illegal no.

Blackmail ... which she threatened ... as she had my phone number ...

False pretenses ...

And a number of other misdemeanor charges.

Turns out TWO were previously convicted Felons ... playing Con games.

They went back to the pen.

Had nothing to do with .. pay me or I don't pay attention.

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