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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 9:57:45 AM   
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So you call or report to the police that "this woman has a business and wants pay for the time she works" ?




So like is Blackmail ... Conning and a whole host of other offenses. legal?

Has nothing to do with Business ... a LOT to Do with CON.

And BTW, I am not referring to Pro Dommes here, if that is why You are trying to defend a defenseless position.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:03:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Black mail only works if you are guilty and fear being caught doing some thing wrong. If you are an innocent person, people can't black mail you.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:09:28 AM   
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So you call or report to the police that "this woman has a business and wants pay for the time she works" ?




So like is Blackmail ... Conning and a whole host of other offenses. legal?

Has nothing to do with Business ... a LOT to Do with CON.

And BTW, I am not referring to Pro Dommes here, if that is why You are trying to defend a defenseless position.



SOT- do you think we blackmail men who don't want it? as in flat out ask, and in some cases, beg for it?
Seriously? one, the subs who go to a Findomme are grown men, capable of making their own decisions. Blackmail in the sense of Domination doesn't just spontaneously happen, for the most part.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:10:09 AM   
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Report them to the police on what grounds? Saying "send me money or you don't get my attention!"? Last I knew that wasn't illegal. Questionable to many people's morality perhaps, illegal no.



Blackmail ... which she threatened ... as she had my phone number ...

False pretenses ...

And a number of other misdemeanor charges.

Turns out TWO were previously convicted Felons ... playing Con games.

They went back to the pen.

Had nothing to do with .. pay me or I don't pay attention.




I am not denying that the actions you describe were illegal. However, who was the dumbass that gave them the information they used to accomplish their deeds?

ANYONE in a relationship of length can use personal information against someone when the relationship goes south. IF the persons involved are doing something they don't want others to know about. Hell, I could use conversations I had with my previous boss to get him in hot water. He was the dumbass that told me the shit, I didn't torture it out of him. Fortunate for him I am an ethical person.

My exboss chose his confidante well. The person you describe in your story did not. Shame on him as well as the person that committed the illegal acts against him.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:10:56 AM   
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Black mail only works if you are guilty and fear being caught doing some thing wrong. If you are an innocent person, people can't black mail you.



Oh .. really ????


So like, you work for a VERY CONSERVATIVE Company ... and she says .. I am calling the HR Department and report you as sexually deviant, if you don't western union me $2000 dollars in the next hour.

And she lived ... 10 miles away.

It got the attention of the police, very quickly.

Turns out .. she went to jail for three years.

And just now, is trying her hand on CM, again.



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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:12:43 AM   
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Shame on him as well as the person that committed the illegal acts against him.


Shame on HER .. it was a Female ...

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:13:55 AM   
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Shame on him as well as the person that committed the illegal acts against him.


Shame on HER .. it was a Female ...



Unless both parties were female, your reading comprehension SUCKS.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:21:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I commonly use financial slavery in one of 2 situations. 1. To help my sub/slave balance their money better or 2. To prove commitment. Money is the biggest comfort zone for most people, therefore if they are asking to be collared, become a fulltime pet or live-in Sissy maid I will usually ask for money upfront and that they give me control of their finances for the duration of time they are in my care. However, being a financial dom is a HUGE responsibility to take on. It is not simply a cash cow...

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:46:55 AM   
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Wait, I'm a dancer and do not have sex with clients. It's my job to make then want to...but as I said, the object is to NOT give it up.

LOLOL... ok, a few points on this thread.

A) RS's viewpoints are his own but shouldn't be construed as mine. I have never engaged an escort in a platonic way but I absolutely have done the same thing with strippers. I had zero interest in having sex with them. I was MARRIED and intended to stay monogamous. The one time one actually propositioned me i declined the offer and never returned to that particular establishment again. I can EASILY see a situation where I'd pay for companionship on a dinner date if I had more money than women in my life.

B) Anyone arguing with TAFKA (previously known as awareness) is wasting their time. He is aware of nothing and has no particular interest in becoming aware of anything. He has constructed a mental model that makes him happy for whatever reasons and now wants the rest of reality to submit to it.

C) DominaKittyK said: "Money is the biggest comfort zone for most people" Oh my dear lord. This shows how little you know about people. You SERIOUSLY think money is anywhere near the top of the comfort zone list. You should consider what a TPE slave deals with.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 10:57:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		JeffBC It has been the case with over 85% of my clients, I was simply stating my reasons and experience... You say I know nothing and yet you knew nothing about my basis for that statement nor did you ask... You seem to be an elitist.... In the way that you believe you know better than everyone else.... In Australia, where I live, money is statistically a concern and source of power for more than 80% of our total population. Most people here equate money to power and control, especially my clients as most of them are high profile business men... Just to show you how little YOU know....

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 11:33:29 AM   
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Not only that, but prodoms actually run a large number of dungeons, play spaces, conventions and bdsm organisations. Most of the bdsm community has been created, developed and maintained by pro-doms. If we judge people who make money from bdsm, we also have to judge the people who run our dungeons, make our porn, sell our toys and our fetish clothes. Frequently, they are one and the same. Do they stop being lifestyle, because also make money from our lifestyle?
I wouldn't have said most. Granted, some of the prominent clubs are owned/operated by professional Dominants. (Which, sorry, isn't the same thing as a findom.) Also, your analogy doesn't work because if I buy a flogger, I receive a material possession.

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I wasn't speaking of history or leather. I was speaking more of bringing bdsm to the general public.
Well, exactly who do you think that was? The clubs that are here today most likely wouldn't have existed if leather hadn't paved the way. The leather clubs of the 70's and 80's were there before term BDSM even was coined.


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Most leather groups are small and run by individuals. But the major dungeons that have play parties up to 50-200 people? Yes, most play spaces are run by prodoms. Many prodoms were the ones who brought bdsm and leather to the hetero community.

But my point was also that there is more to professional bdsm than pro-domination. If we are going to judge some one because they make money off the lifestyle, we also have to judge the people who sell our toys, our fetish clothes, charge us to use their dungeons, etc. There are lot's of ways that money exchanges hands in our lifestyle. Floggers are not free. Restraints and rope are not free. Dungeon space on a saturday night is not free.

Floggers aren't free because the craftsman has to buy the material to make the product. Leather and suede doesn't grow on trees. The same goes for when I make paraffin candles. Even selling them at cost, I've purchased paraffin, wick, dye, molds, sealer, and all of the incidentals that go into creating that candle.

Please don't confuse vendors with pro-domination. If I purchase an item, I walk up and make a business transaction. I'm not in any type of power exchange because I receive a product. If I pay an admission to a club, I agree to abide by the rules of that club, but My payment allows Me to 'rent' the equipment, the space, and any amenities that the club provides. I'm being no more Dominated than if I rent a hotel room for the night.




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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 11:35:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yup... got it. I may be an elitist but then again, I might just be looking at things like "social image", "children", "religion" or a wide variety of other things which would strike people as much more invasive and personal than money.

Look, I'm fine with findommes and the whole money kink. But if you believe money is the most central thing to most humans then I think you need to meet a better class of humans.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 11:35:29 AM   
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Man, I never thought I'd live to see the day that Jeff got called an elitist.



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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 11:40:09 AM   
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DominaKittyK said: "Money is the biggest comfort zone for most people"


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JeffBC It has been the case with over 85% of my clients

I can understand that you were answering based on your personal experience,
however, there is a huge difference between most people and 85% of your clients.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 2:04:41 PM   
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So you call or report to the police that "this woman has a business and wants pay for the time she works" ?




So like is Blackmail ... Conning and a whole host of other offenses. legal?

Has nothing to do with Business ... a LOT to Do with CON.

And BTW, I am not referring to Pro Dommes here, if that is why You are trying to defend a defenseless position.




Oh I see. You were talking of someone in particular not all pro/fin dommes. My apologies.

Jeff- ok, I didn't want you to think " all dancers were whores". That's sooo dark ages. But I wouldn't be surprised if the majority were. :(



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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 4:57:30 PM   
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So you call or report to the police that "this woman has a business and wants pay for the time she works" ?




So like is Blackmail ... Conning and a whole host of other offenses. legal?

Has nothing to do with Business ... a LOT to Do with CON.

And BTW, I am not referring to Pro Dommes here, if that is why You are trying to defend a defenseless position.




Blackmail is not legal and any person, Domme or otherwise, participating in it can be in serious trouble. I personally wouldn't go anywhere near it, I wouldn't do well in prison.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 5:03:24 PM   
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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 5:03:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Correct, it is not the same as findom. It is a distant cousing. If you buy a flogger, you get a material possession. If you purchase a session, you receive an physical and emotional experience. Either way, the person on the other side is making money off your kink. As for professional dominants, they also have expenses that the session pays for.

But no, none of this is directly related to findom.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 6:31:59 PM   
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Correct, it is not the same as findom. It is a distant cousing. If you buy a flogger, you get a material possession. If you purchase a session, you receive an physical and emotional experience. Either way, the person on the other side is making money off your kink. As for professional dominants, they also have expenses that the session pays for.

But no, none of this is directly related to findom.
Oh, you'll get no argument from Me on the bold above. I'm a lifestyle Domme and I'm perfectly aware of the cost of equipment and toys. The stuff ain't cheap in a lot of cases. Sure, you can always do the pervertable route (BDSM on a budget kind of thing) but I've got a sneaking suspicion that most clients expect to see more than some wooden spoons and cheap items being used as impact toys.



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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 3/3/2013 6:39:18 PM   
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