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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 11:54:47 AM   
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No white water. NO!

I am not physically up to it.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jensenl/visuals/album/2009/portaustin/ is a link to a blog that a local dude did, you can see the kinds of kayaks and the area that I will NOT be doing!

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 11:55:07 AM   
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The only kayak I've seen are the ones like they use in the river my sister lives near. They do not look at all like that one!

Ive used both types. I hooked and lost a tarpon once while in an ocean Kayak. What a blast getting towed by the fish while it was jumping.

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 11:56:08 AM   
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The only kayak I've seen are the ones like they use in the river my sister lives near. They do not look at all like that one!

Ive used both types. I hooked and lost a tarpon once while in an ocean Kayak. What a blast getting towed by the fish while it was jumping.



Oh, Hilly. A TARPON??? You just make me swoony, you do!

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 11:57:05 AM   
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Thanks, Hil. In skimming this thread, I was kind of wondering about that. I seem to recall a certain person in My past life who mentioned various levels of the white water kind. One being the calmest and five being the stuff that would scare the shit out of those of us who don't participate.


5 would actually kill most people.






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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 11:59:07 AM   
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No white water. NO!

I am not physically up to it.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jensenl/visuals/album/2009/portaustin/ is a link to a blog that a local dude did, you can see the kinds of kayaks and the area that I will NOT be doing!

Those are sea kayaks Hibbie. No skirt and uber stable. They're much more stable than a canoe because your center of gravity is so low.

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 11:59:55 AM   
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My center of gravity is very low. I recline a lot.

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:01:42 PM   
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5 would actually kill most people.

What can I say, Hill? I wasn't the only adrenaline rush in his life.






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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:03:13 PM   
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Hib, the kayaks in the link I could do because the body isn't squished into it. It's more like a custom little personal canoe than my head's idea of a kayak.

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:06:50 PM   
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5 would actually kill most people.

What can I say, Hill? I wasn't the only adrenaline rush in his life.






There's also a level VI

Class VI (extreme and exploratory): These rapids have rarely been attempted and exemplify the extremes of difficulty, unpredictability, and danger. The consequences of errors are very severe and rescue may be impossible. These rapids are for teams of experts at favorable water levels. After a Class VI rapid has been run successfully several times, its rating may be changed to Class V.







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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:08:48 PM   
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Kayaking! 50 years of of it! Now you're speaking my language!

As previously mentioned, inquire if the kayak is a sit-on-top which is what I use, even in the open ocean. They are generally very stable IF: you keep your body very still from the waist down, and step in and out IN THE MIDDLE of the boat. When in doubt, KEEP TO THE MIDDLE OF THE BOAT!! I know the uh-oh point on my kayak and can get away with a lot of sloppy kayak hygiene, like hanging my legs over the side in calm conditions.

It looks nice and quiet in your beautiful destination there. With a few minutes of in-the-water practice before you set out to acclimate to balance and turning you'll be just fine. Methinks you'll become addicted! Bon voyage!

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:12:58 PM   
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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:14:27 PM   
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I like rowing. Will I like MILES of rowing? It remains to be seen! But new skills are good, right?

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:16:36 PM   
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Well, the upside is that if you get tired you can just stop, sit, and enjoy the view.

(I would take along a rope so that if others get whiny at your pace you can always offer them the option of towing you!)

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:17:30 PM   
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Hib, paddling (the kayak kind) is easier than rowing, especially in calm conditions. Imo.

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:20:23 PM   
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5 would actually kill most people.




I like thrills. I did a 5 in a river raft. I'm still here to tell about it.

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:22:10 PM   
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The river rafting... LOOKS like a potential fun time. Maybe. Not fun like base jumping looks like fun, but fun-ish. Fun-manque.

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 12:35:18 PM   
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5 would actually kill most people.




I like thrills. I did a 5 in a river raft. I'm still here to tell about it.


A 4 in a kayak was more fun than skydiving.
A 5 in a raft, hell yeah, a 5 in a kayak, hell no.

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 1:11:27 PM   
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There are ocean kayaks that you sit on top of and they're VERY stable. You folks are thinking of a traditional white water kayak that has the spray skirt. I have a feeling that this is what you will be using Hibbie..

Actually, both sea and river kayaks use skirts. We have two 18' sea kayaks. The skirt is intended to stop rough seas from washing over the deck and filling the interior. As I noted, it's pointless to use the skirt on smooth water unless you know how to roll.

To the stability thing, that's a tricky question. We have round hulled sea kayaks. They are long, skinny, and round on the bottom. Just as you'd expect, they FEEL really tippy. But that's not anywhere near the whole story. The resistance to rolling ramps up heavily as the boat rolls. In addition, when you're properly braced in a kayak it is a part of your body. You're not just sitting in it. Your feet are pressing on the rudder pedals and your thighs are pressing against the thigh braces. You and the kayak are one. That means tipping over is about as likely as tipping over when you're standing up on dry land.

Flat bottomed sit on tops like the one pictured FEEL very stable because their initial resistance is very high. However that resistance drops abruptly at a certain point. In addition, in waves, flat bottomed kayaks don't just bob up and down along the waves like a round hull does. They stay flat to the water surface meaning they are actually rotating back and forth over almost 90 degrees of motion. Finally, you're not braced in a sit on top... not very well anyway and in some cases not at all. That means your body and the boat are two pieces not one and that changes everything.

I'm only pointing all this out because it's really not correct that kayaks are "tippy" -- not if they are fitted correctly. We have the worst of the worst... round hulled long & slim sea kayaks and yet rolling one over once braced in it just isn't something to worry about. The real truth is that these things were designed to hunt in some really rough and unforgiving water. Honestly I'd rather be in a sea kayak in a really big storm than in... say... a 40' yacht thingie. The sea kayak would just bob up and down on the waves mostly unconcerned by it all.

All that [useless] trivia being said, it does remind me that you should probably pack a few towels or somesuch. Our kayaks are ours and so we added foam to the thigh braces so that they fit our legs properly. These probably won't fit you properly but it's nothing that wadding up some old sweat shirts or towels wouldn't handle. The boats feel and are MUCH, MUCH more stable when you can brace your feet and thighs properly.

edited to add:
THIS is a proper "sea kayak" (and in fact, the one I use). The sit on tops are recreational boats intended for casual fooling around.


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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 1:16:17 PM   
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YES SCARY TUBES OF DOOM THOSE ARE THEM!!!

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RE: Kayaking - 8/29/2012 1:21:32 PM   
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YES SCARY TUBES OF DOOM THOSE ARE THEM!!!

*laughs* Until you actually sit in one, yeah. It's not that I don't get what you're saying. It just doesn't hold up under actual experience. On the bright side, the difference in efficiency is dramatic between a sit on top and a real sea kayak. We had paddled a few sit on tops as we were exploring all this and the first time I get in a proper kayak it felt like one tiny dig with the blade and it was gliding across the water. They actually are a joy to paddle for that reason. You probably don't want me to go into the vagaries of hull design to explain why that all is :)

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