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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 9:50:02 AM   
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Actually, I was thinking yesterday about how this shows just how good Bob Newhart really was on those one-sided telephone conversations.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 9:59:49 AM   
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in other words


This is the problem with you. And it's the reason why I won't discuss the topic with you. You change words. Important words. In your world "Implication" becomes "Claim", "Clarification" become "Rebuttal", "Explaining" becomes "backing off".

I haven't "run from the hills" either. I'm right here. And I'm more than capable of blowing holes in your intellectually dishonest replies, I'm simply not inclined to waste my time doing something I'm already well-practiced at.

I find your entire approach to be accusatory, deliberately antagonistic, and fundamentally lacking in honor; another reason why you're not going to engage me in your agenda to fight. Feel free to put that into whatever "words" work for you in your own head.



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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 10:37:14 AM   
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So do you, sweetie. You waded in with guns blazing with a mischaracterization of the entire thread, and when called on it, have been back-peddling ever since, and now have to resort to personal attacks. You're swinging away and frustrated you're not hitting anything...because you're fighting with yourself.


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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 11:00:46 AM   
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............................. and I'm hoping that Americans have the good sense not to elect what appears to be an accident waiting to happen.


I felt the same way about Bush II. I was wrong. I think it will be a verycloseelection.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 11:03:40 AM   
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Exactly. The Faithful will vote for anything with an R, and they don't give a damn about facts.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 11:13:23 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht0zsE9GPrs

You ever read about a mormon prophet who dreamed of becoming a king;
and didn't become one?
Well except for the name and a few other changes, Willard's storys the same one....


Clever, clever!!


ETA
: ....and no one heard at all, not even....

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 11:31:52 AM   
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My concern is that he looked disjointed and at times confused. They might have wanted to go over his bullet points ahead of time but I have a feeling he was ad libbing which makes this impossible.


According to what I have seen reported, they did go over those points a few hours before. But they had no idea how he was going to deliver them. The chair was a last minute idea of Clint's.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 11:37:12 AM   
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Finally. Someone comes along who understands that the word "general" means general, as opposed to specific.


Well, hell, honey, the "general implication" of anyone coming across an old man speaking to a chair would be that he is senile.

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I hadn't even seen the specific statement that Thishereboi pointed out, but I'd say that fits into the implication catagory as well, especially when you couple it with words like "senile" and mocking puns like "Any which way but lucid".


Gotta tell ya.. if he had been a patient of mine doing that, I would start thinking psych consult.

The fact that he was giving a speech, he is a known actor, and an entertainer allows him a bit more leeway than the man living down the street.

Based upon the speech, and the way it was delivered, the question could be raised.

But its fargle.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 1:00:31 PM   
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This thread finally spurred me to do what i hadn't planned to, namely, watch the speech.

Y'all know I'm a diehard Democrat, but I have to agree with Bill Maher that Eastwood killed. He was clearly in command of himself and the audience and (despite a little human faltering) the material. He used the chair effectively, offering delegates a bit of wish fulfillment (telling off the POTUS), and the guise of "humor" enabled him to land blows without the fact-checking scrutiny that would have greeted a straight speech. (Attorneys don't make good Presidents? What about the most invoked and revered Republican President of all time, a railroad lawyer from Springfield?) His deadpan delivery was smart and funny, and his timing was spot on.

Like it or not from a partisan perspective, I gotta give props to a skilled actor for an adept performance.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 1:07:16 PM   
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Oh I definitely enjoyed the routine.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 1:17:25 PM   
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Oh I definitely enjoyed the routine.

Me too. Talk about a guilty pleasure!

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 3:41:30 PM   
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FR

This thread finally spurred me to do what i hadn't planned to, namely, watch the speech.

Y'all know I'm a diehard Democrat, but I have to agree with Bill Maher that Eastwood killed. He was clearly in command of himself and the audience and (despite a little human faltering) the material. He used the chair effectively, offering delegates a bit of wish fulfillment (telling off the POTUS), and the guise of "humor" enabled him to land blows without the fact-checking scrutiny that would have greeted a straight speech. (Attorneys don't make good Presidents? What about the most invoked and revered Republican President of all time, a railroad lawyer from Springfield?) His deadpan delivery was smart and funny, and his timing was spot on.

Like it or not from a partisan perspective, I gotta give props to a skilled actor for an adept performance.

Of course, Mitt Romney holds a law degree from Harvard . . .

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 4:28:25 PM   
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What I find comical is that senile republicans young and old alike seem to have forgotten who started the folly that were both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. President Obama is/was simply cleaning up the mess he was given. Just as he is doing with the economy. I know republicans would rather forget 2000-2008 didn't happen but it did.


Its interesting to wonder, how would the Republicans run their campaign with an honest view of the past and their failed foreign and economic policies.

I'll give it a go:

(1) I'd shift the party's foreign policy toward Ron Paul's isolationism. Problem with that? Well, there's no demon to galvanize my electorate -- no communist threat and no Islamic menace. Without external threats there might be more scrutiny of my domestic policies. I also lose points with some of my biggest campaign donors. I can't tag Democrats as being soft in foreign policy either.

(2) I break with orthodoxy and pledge to raise taxes to help reduce the budge deficit. I concede that in a global economy, corporate investment often flows overseas to the detriment of US workers. So, I steal a position from the Democrats, but I keep the tax rate lower than where they would place it. By not linking my tax increase to bigger government, I keep fiscal conservatives on board. Problem with this? The Grover Norquist gang might sink my ship before it gets out of the harbor. The Koch Brothers might not give me any money.

(3) I propose amending the Constitution to allow for the line-item veto, the best way a US President can check irresponsible earmarks passed by Congress. Problem: This is a technocratic solution and my base won't get excited by it.

(4) I pledge to strengthen our military by upping the ranks of our special forces and cutting the ranks of the general forces. I also propose to expand the US National Guard to tap into soldiers that we might need in a time of war. I then propose a 40% cut in all cold-war era spending for items necessary for a conventional war. Problem: Conservative think tanks will see me as Benedict Arnold.

(5) Money saved on national defense -- some of it would then be diverted to key industries in the US such as Steel making, power production, automobile production, to help keep the US somewhat self sufficient in economic areas vital to our national security. Investment here would have a higher residual impact on the civilian economy than straight defense spending -- because the production base would aid in job creation and more civilian goods and services. Problem: If I want to aid the civilian economy in this manner, I might get tagged as a socialist, whereas if I engage in straight defense spending I avoid this label entirely.

(6) I would pledge to nominate a conservative Supreme Court Justice, but would not make the abortion issue a screening tool for my selection. Problem: I am gambling that evangelicals will vote for me anyway b/c I'm better than a godless, feministic Democrat.

(7) Regarding Immigration, I state that after consulting with Fortune 500 CEOs on the matter, we need to increase visas for skilled workers and exceptionally gifted contributors to our economy, health care, and national defense sectors. Adding more talent to our workforce will create more jobs and economic growth for the country. Undocumented workers with 10 years continuous residence in the US who can demonstrate strong ties to the community and exceptional character would be eligible for a "yellow card," legal residence in the US, work authorization, and eligibility for a green card after 5 years. Undocumented workers with less than ten years residence in the USA would be eligible to enter a "yellow card" lottery if they return to the home countries and apply for the visa. Those who failed to apply for the "Yellow Card" within two years would lose their right to apply for one. Problem: My constituents think that unemployment is tied to illegal immigration. They also think that I will be rewarding illegal behavior with perks.

In items 1-7 I have made changes to my platform that reflect past failures of my party, but I still hold onto the core values of a strong national defense and economy, less deficit spending, and a status-quo on entitlements.



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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 6:28:47 PM   
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Gotta love Stewarts take on it..
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/fri-august-31-2012-

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 6:57:59 PM   
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I don't think that anyone took advantage of Clint Eastwood. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and I think  that it was a very effective speech.

Can you give us an example of the effectiveness of his speech ? I thought it was rambling bullshit...as usual.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 7:18:46 PM   
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OP.

Sure they did, but Reagan wasn't that bright even before he was senile, and then became president.



But wasn't he Bedtime for Bonzo, the 20 mule team Borax ? Then after being a democrat, a union leader, voting for FDR 4 times...switched to the repubs and became gov. of Cal.

Got money from and yet didn't play ball with the bankers and wall street...getting his as shot in all of 69 days after taking office. Gave cover for all self-described small govt. 'fiscal conservatives' to forever be big govt. deficit spenders.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 7:34:25 PM   
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I looked at it on youtube yesterday. You might be one of the lucky ones. The republicans there responded differently:

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alwaysopen (5 hours ago)
Maher and this panel are ass sucking douche bags. If you side with them you are a brain dead dick licker.


SteelCity1981 (6 hours ago)
as a republican i was like wth. i mean seriously i was lost half the time in what he was trying to say. it was like watching a 80 year old grandpa that hadn't taken his meds rambling on."


It's good it gave you a warm fuzzy. When I watched it live I was on the phone with my mom. Her remark was the she was surprised that in a year that the Republican party seems to be kicking women in the uterus, they would front Romney with a man who's been sued for pressuring live in girlfriend into an abortion and tubal ligation and was famous for having done so. I had to explain to her that the party doesn't actually have the memory of an elephant. Then we were able to laugh.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 7:34:54 PM   
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Yep, those mean old republicans are out there, taking advantage of senior citizens again ... or is it the lefties' need to make people into victims so the nanny state/Big Brother can come and rescue them?

It's been about 30 years since Clint has had to kiss anyone's ass and last night proved it, again. The RNC allowing someone to get up on that platform without prepared text? The man is the definition of "bad ass" in a few arenas.



Peace and comfort,



Michael


No, we all are to just rescue the bankers and wall street...our reason for being, seeing as how in America at least, society is here to serve (investors) economy...not the other way around like the rest of the west.

I still want to know why we didn't let all of those banks fail and go out of business. You think maybe because we don't have anything like a free market and for over 90 years instead...socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor ? I do.

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 10:03:56 PM   
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..............they would front Romney with a man who's been sued for pressuring live in girlfriend into an abortion and tubal ligation and was famous for having done so...


Was this proven?

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RE: Did the RNC take advantage of a senile old man? - 9/2/2012 10:42:03 PM   
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Of course, Mitt Romney holds a law degree from Harvard . . .

True. Lincoln seemed a more striking example, given both his iconic stature and principal career as a practicing attorney.

Of course, invoking Honest Abe does raise the fascinating question of which party he'd join today.

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