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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/11/2012 2:31:27 PM

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Anyway, we need air, water, food (in that order) to survive, the rest is fur lined sinks, and we could live without it.
Just sayin.

Wait. Where's Health Care in that?!? Are you saying that health care isn't needed to survive?!?!?!? You had better retract that before someone with fangs and claws comes a-scratchin'!

Are you saying that everybody who is from the right is a drooling imbecile?

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/11/2012 5:32:38 PM

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Anyway, we need air, water, food (in that order) to survive, the rest is fur lined sinks, and we could live without it.
Just sayin.

Wait. Where's Health Care in that?!? Are you saying that health care isn't needed to survive?!?!?!? You had better retract that before someone with fangs and claws comes a-scratchin'!

Are you saying that everybody who is from the right is a drooling imbecile?

I'm not, but, apparently, you are. But, do tell, where is health care in all that? You stated that we need air, water and food to survive. Now, are you going to state that everybody has a right to adequately clean air, adequately clean water and adequately nourishing food before we even think about providing adequate health care? I mean, what the fuck good is health care going to be if you can't breath? Or have adequately clean water? Or have nourishing food?

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/11/2012 5:58:07 PM

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When there is no clean water, or air or food, there will be no civilisation.

You need healthcare to thrive in advanced civilizations. Don't think that you can make some smirking comment about something that was not intended and invest your buncombe in my positions by inventing it. Context. Look the fucker up. But I have little hope of it sinking into a brain steeped rabid ideology absent fact or environs.

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/12/2012 4:28:25 AM

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When there is no clean water, or air or food, there will be no civilisation.
You need healthcare to thrive in advanced civilizations. Don't think that you can make some smirking comment about something that was not intended and invest your buncombe in my positions by inventing it. Context. Look the fucker up. But I have little hope of it sinking into a brain steeped rabid ideology absent fact or environs.

But, health care, then, isn't needed to survive, that is, to live. It's only needed to thrive? And, if a civilization isn't advanced, health care isn't needed to thrive?

You can go on and on about what I'm inventing or not, but I'm simply using your explicit statements. I did not twist anything. Your comment was given freely, without any coercion by me. And, the point of context is very important, IMO. You said those 3 things were needed to survive. By that statement, it means that everything else may be nice and all, but not absolutely necessary for survival.

And, I'm steeped in rabid ideology absent fact or environs?!? Well, hello, Mr. Pot.

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/12/2012 6:55:44 AM

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Yes, Ogg, there is a cave warming idea been bandied about, we are as a working title calling it central heating. Your last post is bringing it more into context. I will add one more to that list of things needed to live (assuming there is more than one human), socialism. I gotta know that you drive on the same side of the road as me, or I will have to kill you, unless I am convinced we all want the same end goals. Just a matter now of how much socialism do we need, do we need communism, or do we need democracy?

Where on that line?

You know, we dont need police, fire, hospitals, roads, buildings, republicans, toilets or paper, media, a bed, a light, oranges, angus beef, corn on the cob, a barbeque, a computer, a woman, or many other things to live.

But if I can't get sucked off when I want, that's hardly livin is it? Maybe I should have been more punctilious and said air, water, food to EXIST, and some form of socialism to live, and some of those other things to thrive and survive.

So, our health is a big part of our living and survival and caring for it is inherent in that quest for waking up tomorrow, upright and taking nourishment.

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/12/2012 5:53:50 PM

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Yes, Ogg, there is a cave warming idea been bandied about, we are as a working title calling it central heating.

That is something you need more than I, and I need more than others. But, you could always move to a more temperate climate to get away from that need (it's actually fun to watch Texans step out on a crisp MN morning in late April/May where the temp's are in the upper 30's).

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unless I am convinced we all want the same end goals.

Actually, you won't accept that we want the same end goals, but have a different take on the vehicle to get us there.

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Just a matter now of how much socialism do we need, do we need communism, or do we need democracy?

I'll take Representative Republic for $1000, Alex.

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You know, we dont need police, fire, hospitals, roads, buildings, republicans, toilets or paper, media, a bed, a light, oranges, angus beef, corn on the cob, a barbeque,

Hold on there, now, partner. No BBQ? Don'tcha know them's fighting words?!?!?

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a computer, a woman, or many other things to live.
But if I can't get sucked off when I want, that's hardly livin is it? Maybe I should have been more punctilious and said air, water, food to EXIST, and some form of socialism to live, and some of those other things to thrive and survive.
So, our health is a big part of our living and survival and caring for it is inherent in that quest for waking up tomorrow, upright and taking nourishment.

So, now you have to go back and alter what you stated. Interesting. Nah, it isn't really. You're not one of those guys that would jump on a Presidential Candidate for altering statements.

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/13/2012 1:27:12 AM

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well, more exploration, more recycling some alternatives, some form of cloning?

Some of them can be recycled, certainly. Some, like gallium, cannot be effectively recycled.

Either way, you're looking at a massive price jump if you want to start recycling gallium, for instance.

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/13/2012 1:34:08 AM

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I see that rare earth mineral costs have come down dramatically since last December. How to explain that?

A year is a fairly short period of time.

That said, lest I give the impression that I'm claiming the sky is falling, I should emphasize that my comments are based on increased consumption, which is something economic growth is currently predicated on, and that the core of the issue primarily revolves around a question of the financial leverage involved.

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So, does China wish to provoke war and bring down the world's economy? To what benefit for them? Did you not say earlier they did not seem to have such interests? You did.

I did indeed. And you raised the subject of the USA going to war. I merely meant that such is rattling the sabers in a manner that isn't going to be productive, because China knows you have at minimum as much to lose as they do. Attacking means a war that has no positive outcome for the attacker. I would like to think the USA has learned a lesson about those.

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/13/2012 1:37:02 AM

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China will need fresh water more than anything else in the coming years. If they don't solve this problem everything else wont matter. National geographic had a write up several years ago about how most of their water is now polluted amd unfit for drinking. Here is another more recent article

Actually, this is great news. Finally, someone will make a large scale solution to the problem of potable water. An inventor in the USA has one on hand, for instance, but nobody has cared to try rolling it out. If China needs water, they will solve that problem, whatever the cost (a benefit of not having a democracy, in effect), once it gets pressing enough. That solution can then be pushed elsewhere, like Africa.

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/13/2012 1:42:42 AM

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Anyway, we need air, water, food (in that order) to survive, the rest is fur lined sinks, and we could live without it.

Yeah, I usually bring up the issue of phosphorous. We'll end up having to recycle our own dead soon if we don't solve that problem. And such recycling isn't going to sit well with a lot of people, harvesting dead bodies for raw materials. Nor will it be cheap or easy to do. Mining sea water for it will have problems of its own, such as unpredictable effects on the global ecosystem, so that should in general be considered a measure of last resort.

Worst case figures indicate we might not have enough phosphorous for more than two decades, at current rates of consumption. At that point, the planet goes from being able to sustain double digit billions to being able to sustain single digit billions at best. Of course, nature rebalances itself, but I've a feeling we might not like nature's solution if we don't implement a better one ourselves, and as soon as possible at that.

Nature generally doesn't negotiate or worry about polls.

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RE: The end of 'Pax Americana' ....? - 9/13/2012 5:54:14 AM

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Yeah, I usually bring up the issue of phosphorous. We'll end up having to recycle our own dead soon if we don't solve that problem. And such recycling isn't going to sit well with a lot of people, harvesting dead bodies for raw materials. Nor will it be cheap or easy to do. Mining sea water for it will have problems of its own, such as unpredictable effects on the global ecosystem, so that should in general be considered a measure of last resort.

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Worst case figures indicate we might not have enough phosphorous for more than two decades, at current rates of consumption. At that point, the planet goes from being able to sustain double digit billions to being able to sustain single digit billions at best. Of course, nature rebalances itself, but I've a feeling we might not like nature's solution if we don't implement a better one ourselves, and as soon as possible at that.
Nature generally doesn't negotiate or worry about polls.
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Mother Nature can be one bad ass Domme.

There are lots of things going on out there to remedy the potable water issue.

http://www.idadesal.org/

Watched a show on the Science Channel ("How It's Done" or "How Do They Do It" type show) that was all about a massive desalination plant in the US. I believe it was in Florida (been over a year). It was amazing, to say the least. This is the sort of thing I believe would make for a great Foreign Aid package (obviously to those countries where potable water isn't easy to get).

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