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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 12:26:00 PM   
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I think I'd go for the cargo pants. Or, get a pair of those ultra-thin cotton trousers that they wear in various countries in the middle east and elsewhere. (I picked up a number of pairs in Greece - nothing like them for very hot weather.) And he could also take a spray bottle of water so that he could spray himself whenever/wherever he needs to do so. Doing that, ostentatiously, at the physio sessions might also convey the required message about his overheating problem to the cretins there.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 12:31:14 PM   
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Ziploc bags filled with ice are very useful, you can tote a cooler full and shove them in your shirt.

(Cackling at the thought of Chatte's mister facing down some redneck moron!)

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 12:32:44 PM   
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Theres a lot of things that are less than ideal
but whatever the case may be I wish you the
best with the legal stuff and his condition.

But also, buy the man a cheap pair of "Mens"
shorts... Going around in girls shorts would be
embarrassing.
Around here, it's the style to wear board shorts
all the time... Even for old people.
Why don't you get him some Bordies and a
Hawaiian shirt?
Then he will be cool and look cool

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 12:37:10 PM   
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Theres a lot of things that are less than ideal
but whatever the case may be I wish you the
best with the legal stuff and his condition.

But also, buy the man a cheap pair of "Mens"
shorts... Going around in girls shorts would be
embarrassing.
Around here, it's the style to wear board shorts
all the time... Even for old people.
Why don't you get him some Bordies and a
Hawaiian shirt?
Then he will be cool and look cool

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Oh honey. You're confusing West Virginia with the civilised world. It's a easy mistake to make.


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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 12:41:06 PM   
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Or, get a pair of those ultra-thin cotton trousers that they wear in various countries in the middle east and elsewhere.


I don't think that would go over in West Virginia.

Cynthia - what about military cammies, summer weight?

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 12:45:20 PM   
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Ziploc bags filled with ice are very useful, you can tote a cooler full and shove them in your shirt.

(Cackling at the thought of Chatte's mister facing down some redneck moron!)


I'll stand next to my very smart, supremely analytic man *any* day. Most especially as, HE's the nice one, I'M the sadist.


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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 12:47:03 PM   
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Ziploc bags filled with ice are very useful, you can tote a cooler full and shove them in your shirt.

(Cackling at the thought of Chatte's mister facing down some redneck moron!)


I'll stand next to my very smart, supremely analytic man *any* day. Most especially as, HE's the nice one, I'M the sadist.




I can just see him giving that little smile, "oh, were you talking to me?" Heh.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 1:02:15 PM   
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The body cooling stuff only really works in arid climates. If you have humidity, you just carry extra weight.

Loose fitting cargo pants would be cooler than shorts if one is out in the sun.


Thank you, MercTech. I will check with him about cargo pants. He detests loose pants of any kind though, and has gone his entire life in tight jeans and in tight shorts. I will go look up cargo pants later tonight.


bo might not like them but they are much, much cooler.

Do you have any thrift stores?



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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 1:27:27 PM   
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Cargo pants, I know realize he hates loose pants, but they would keep him cooler.
As for the "faggot" remarks, time to go "Good Ol' Boy"...

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 1:27:29 PM   
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Cynthia, I'm going to urge education. Anytime Bo is in a situation where people are giving him a hard time, he might consider pre-emptively meeting it head on by going up to the person/people in question and simply saying something that he knows it looks a little odd to be dressed as he is, but he has to or risk death from his old injuries- I mean that's the risk, why sugar coat it?

A comment could also be made that sometimes people with disabilities don't have wheelchairs so that they are immediately identifiable, but the disability he has is no less debilitating, and it's pretty freaking hard to live with. People make fun of things that appear abnormal, but I've seen that once they get the scoop, most will feel pretty ashamed of themselves for being twits. It might make his life a bit easier if people were told what the situation was, so that he could stop getting the constant barrage of pointed fingers. It takes some guts to put your business out there, I think it would pay off if some people, some of the time, were aware and therefore left him alone and told others to leave him alone as well.

I would refuse to keep the peace. I'm sorry, but for Bo to put himself at risk for the backwards ideas of some brainless fools actually deprives them of becoming better people and showing them that they can stand to learn something. Not that I want Bo to be a project or a sacrifice, he's just a man with a disability, but that disability entitles him to make allowances for it much like someone using a cane. Why put himself in physical jeopardy for the opinions of strangers? If the strangers had the information then there shouldn't be any lynching parties either.

My plan for the group would be to present the therapist with the full explanation, in writing, of Bo's injury and subsequent accommodations that he makes to live with the injury safely and comfortably. Use medical terms and make it something that his primary care doctor could approve and maybe has his signature on it if you have time and/or the inclination to do that. Ask the therapist after reading if he understands everything or needs more explanation. Tell him to put that copy in Bo's chart, I'm a bitch, I'd tell him to sign it as well to the effect that he understood the material. I might even persist and let the guy know that if he insists on long pants, to put it in writing and make a show of putting it in my pocket. Obviously with the unspoken factor that then Bo would have prosecutable material.

Inform him that at that point Bo will never put himself at bodily risk again for the opinions of others in the group. Have him tell the therapist to schedule a 15 min section in the next session where Bo will inform the others of his condition. Have him go to that session with copies of the paper for all the patients, have him ask them if they have any questions about his attire and that they can ask now. Addressing things in a controlled manner of your choosing and meeting it head on tends to deflect the snickers while giving others a platform to get their questions answered. The mystery, which gives rise to the gossip, is gone. No one in their right mind would ask a person who needs a wheelchair, to leave it outside the meeting room so others would be happy. Bo is NOT asking for the world, just for what is his right.

The ideas of the others as far as cooling are all great ones, and perhaps they can be used as part of Bo's daily routine if they bring him any comfort. I completely disagree though that he has to put himself at the risk of bodily injury so that others won't be in any mental distress. Fuck that. Just for the record I am aware of what he's up against in that part of the country.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 1:55:27 PM   
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Make a cooling bandana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=293I-bux53s&feature=related

Do not use more crystals than they tell you to. They really do expand like crazy.

He can keep several in a small ice chest, soaking in ice water.



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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 1:59:43 PM   
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Education *might* work for the therapist, but I seriously doubt the majority of peeps in WV have a high school education. It's not the strong suit.

And yeah, I get what you are saying, try to match the ugly offense with a nice defense, easy to do when you are happy and healthy, hard to do when you have serious health issues and that is your main struggle.

It would be nice if Bo can get the therapist on his side, I'm not sure if that can happen at this point.

You make some good points. . . .but you know, when you are in the situation of having to continually educate people about your health, it gets old FAST. Sometimes, you just want to be like everyone else and just be.

If Cyn can't go with him, perhaps a friend can go? A big part of all this is carrying the whole weight of the illness on your back alone, and it gets to you. It's doesn't make for winning friends and influencing enemies in a backwoods places like WV.


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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:15:43 PM   
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Ziploc bags filled with ice are very useful, you can tote a cooler full and shove them in your shirt.

(Cackling at the thought of Chatte's mister facing down some redneck moron!)


Water is *heavy*, Lady Hib!

Hippos and elephants have the right policy. They just spray themselves to cool themselves off. Easy-peasy.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:17:50 PM   
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Since I'm going through perimenopause, I sweat to the point that I look like I've just stepped out of a shower. The only time I don't sweat like that is when I'm in my own place and I have the AC set at 65 degrees.

Lately I wear the lightest clothes that I can find and I also use those ice packs where you just twist them and they get cold for about 2 hours. I will usually place them in my clothing if I can without it being noticed. It still doesn't cool off my head though. For that I just keep my hair up as much as possible and carry a little rag around with me so I can wipe away the sweat when it starts dripping into my eyes. So I can sympathize with him.

I like the idea though of the cargo pants and ice packs. Also go to a sports store. They usually have all kinds of light clothing and items to cool down for people like runners.



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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:20:02 PM   
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The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requires employers to make reasonable accommodations for employees with disabilities. Allowing the guy to wear shorts is a pretty reasonable accommodation. Although this would be a slam dunk in the workplace, I'm not sure about a doctor's practice. Note that the doctor is also allowing homophobia.

I'd ask him if he's going to just shut up and treat bo or if a lawyer needs to get involved. Do some Googling and produce a letter accusing the doctor of violating the ADA and of permitting slander. Ask to have the homophobe patient kicked to the curb, and let bo wear what he wants.




Thank you, DarkSteven. Later tonight when it is not hotter than blazes in my house, I will go to Google and look into the ADA and whatever else I can dig up. We don't have money for a lawyer but maybe we can think of something. I do know a nice, reasonable lawyer in my town who helped me out when I was dealing with Carin's shiite while she was dying.

bo will phone me around seven p.m. tonight and we will talk it over at that time. Hot weather makes him very ill, even when he has to leave his air conditioned truck to walk across a hot parking lot to get to a store. He might not feel up to all this fighting until the weather gets cooler again.

What the doctor is not HEARING him say...is that his heating system goes haywire...he isn't just "feeling hot", his body's thermostat gets messed up and his temperature goes UP.


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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:25:11 PM   
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I would also get in tough with both the nearest chapters to you and to bo.
Since one of their objectives is education... .

And https://www.ncsfreedom.org/ as well since he is being discriminated against based on their perceptions.

But I think the first may be more useful.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:25:38 PM   
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Cargo pants, I know realize he hates loose pants, but they would keep him cooler.
As for the "faggot" remarks, time to go "Good Ol' Boy"...



Yep, well, guns do seem to be the alternative of choice in certain parts of the US of Sunny A if there's only the two options of those and education on offer. Shoot the cretins. 'Yep, if it was good enough for my grandpappy and my uncle [who are the same person] it's good enough for me. Yessirree!'

What, I wonder, happens to men who really are gay and who happen to need the same therapy classes? Do the rednecks get the same right of veto?

Pfft. Cynthia, if these people can't be educated, I should just get your and Bo's passports in order and move to a first world country somewhere.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:35:02 PM   
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How much can he carry, when his temperature is normal?

Anyway... as regards cooling gel, how about this?

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/outdoor-first-aid-fever-disposable-cooling-gel-sheets-3-piece-100587

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Thank you, Aswad. I saw something that looked like these at the Dollar Tree about an hour ago, as well as something a lot larger and thicker that needed some capsule broken inside to activate the coldness. These might be okay in the way that wearing a wet shirt might help, but we would have to try it out to see if it helps him.

Somewhere upstairs I have a few packages of what I was hoping to find. They are a good inch thick and can be refrigerated or frozen. At a Dollar Tree in Cross Lanes (we go there for MAsT meetings once per month), I saw some gel packs in hard plastic rectangular containers. Unfortunately we were both broke at the time or I would have snagged them.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:36:07 PM   
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Ziploc bags filled with ice are very useful, you can tote a cooler full and shove them in your shirt.

(Cackling at the thought of Chatte's mister facing down some redneck moron!)


Water is *heavy*, Lady Hib!

Hippos and elephants have the right policy. They just spray themselves to cool themselves off. Easy-peasy.


I have a spray bottle with a fan attachment, yes I do... but how man ice cubes do you think I can fit into my cleavage anyway? Sheesh!

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:46:03 PM   
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But yeah, we were stared at. In the 21st century for LONG HAIR on a male.


Reminds me of visiting Ars' home town, though mine was only about a foot and a half long.

In fact, her home town sounds a lot like our equivalent of WV, so much so that I will go out on a limb to say that if these places are as similar as they seem, then anyone visiting there with a modern mindset will have a hard time grasping just how different it actually is. I do know I found it completely inconceivable that anywhere in Norway could resemble the place Ars was from. At first, I half suspected she was joking, exaggerating or pulling my leg. Then I visited the place and realized that my experience of this country was woefully incomplete.

Your description, and the tone of it, gives me the strong impression that WV is the same sort of place.

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