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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:46:40 PM   
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Cargo pants, I know realize he hates loose pants, but they would keep him cooler.
As for the "faggot" remarks, time to go "Good Ol' Boy"...



Yep, well, guns do seem to be the alternative of choice in certain parts of the US of Sunny A if there's only the two options of those and education on offer. Shoot the cretins. 'Yep, if it was good enough for my grandpappy and my uncle [who are the same person] it's good enough for me. Yessirree!'

What, I wonder, happens to men who really are gay and who happen to need the same therapy classes? Do the rednecks get the same right of veto?

Pfft. Cynthia, if these people can't be educated, I should just get your and Bo's passports in order and move to a first world country somewhere.


Actually I agree, personally, I have never owned a firearm, though I am not opposed to them... I have lived in a couple of areas that were a little more "conservative" than my own perspectives. Perhaps the posting of the sawed off was a lame attempt at humor, I tend to become irreverent when dealing with frustrating situations... and I find this intolerable and unthinkable; that someone with a medical condition is being met with such a short sighted and homophobic reaction and that a "professional" is not willing to deal with it.

Another reason I prefer my little corner of the Pacific Northwest over other areas of this country.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:58:00 PM   
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And cooler, icepacks....am I being ignorant in why this won't work?





That was my first thought as well.


Um, I am trying to find reusable cheap cooler type ice packs. They used to be everywhere when I didn't need them.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 3:58:00 PM   
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How about ice packs for your significant other? A cooling box in the car could hold them. He could put his feet on them during the session, or drape them over his tighs. He could also wear them on his head, like or in a hat.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:01:55 PM   
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I tend to become irreverent when dealing with frustrating situations... and I find this intolerable and unthinkable; that someone with a medical condition is being met with such a short sighted and homophobic reaction and that a "professional" is not willing to deal with it.

Another reason I prefer my little corner of the Pacific Northwest over other areas of this country.



For me, it boils down to this: that a bunch of thick savages get to decide in important ways how I live. (Or even *if* I live if, presumably, the health treatment required is that important and if I'm gay and can't hide it.) Nup. Fuck that for a lark. I used to put up with some of that crap when I lived in the east end of London. No more.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:03:47 PM   
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I am plotting about what to do about this, and even tiny hidden tape recordings are dancing in my brain...and so...some input from y'all might be helpful.

My slave has brain injury from a slate fall (he's a retired coal miner), and one of the ways this affects him is with his body temperature. He cannot take heat. His house must stay at no warmer than 75 degrees (he does better at 65) or his mind goes haywire. And then there's all the vomiting added in as a side benefit. This part of his disability has been a fact of his life and he/we deal with it as best as we can.

Summers are murder to get through. Mowing his grass right before sunset to avoid the worst of the heat has him sick for a day or two afterward. I could fry eggs on his back, chest, or top of his head after something like this, until he's feeling better. When the AC acted up in my minivan, a simple trip to Walmart had him down for the count for about 24 hours.

The problem that has me plotting and growling and fuming and wanting someones balls skewered and roasting over a low flame... His once every two weeks therapy sessions. He has to go, there's nobody else in his one horse town and the cost of gas (and his difficulty driving long distances) make it impractical to find some place an hour away in Charleston. For him not to be ill, we went shopping this year and bought him jeans shorts. Cut high like men wore in the 1970s. In back, where butt meets thigh, his shorts go 2 1/2 inches below that spot. In our neck of the woods, if your shorts aren't down to your knees, these redneck men call you a "faggot". The group therapy (redneck) patients went to the doctor and said they don't want a "faggot" in their group. The doctor TOLD bo to wear long pants during these sessions. bo explained about his brain injury and how it affects his body temperature and the doctor still demanded that to keep the peace, bo needs to wear long pants. (In other words, he may step outside when he feels the need to vomit.)

I'm PISSED.

These are plain jeans shorts. Hemmed, not cut offs. No chance of dangly bits slipping out and falling through. No bling, just plain ole jeans shorts. (So okay, bo is a size 5-7, depending on the maker, and it was cheaper to get them in the girls' area of Walmart than to buy long jeans in the men's area and then cut the legs off.) He is not dressing kinky, not "dressing like a girl", merely wearing jeans shorts. (If they are INDECENT, why are these redneck men buying these same short shorts for their tween and teenaged daughters?)

IMHO, he is not dressed indecently and I simply cannot believe they have the right to order him to do something that will make him physically ill. He has a bone spur from the accident, in his neck where the vertebrate goes up into his brain, that puts pressure on his spinal cord. On bad days, this can make him disconnect, kind of like being in a dissociative state. One punch to the head could kill him or turn him into a parapalegic. I do not drive him to his therapy appointments, he has to drive himself. There is no public transportation where he lives. If he is feeling okay, then he drives fine. In the daytime, for short distances. They are ordering him to make himself so sick that he cannot drive himself home safely.

It's not practical to take him to another doctor. If it were a viable option, I would. Is there any way we can fight this? Can a doctor force a patient into wearing long shorts just to shut up others in a group that are screaming "faggot!!!"?

I told bo to have that talk with his counselor, and I will probably have him tape record it. In WV it is legal to tape without their knowledge or consent. If he has to wear longer shorts down to his knees to shut up the other guys or else lose his doctor and counseling sessions, I am bitchy enough to tell him NOT to leave the room if/when he gets sick. To sit in their little circle holding a trash can and let them enjoy the sounds, smells, and visual. This is if we lose on all fronts and cannot even get the counselor doesn't crank up the AC in the room so that bo can handle the extra heat.

If it were me, I would eat hearty and swallow some ipecac to make my point. For every session.

I am protective over bo and I am pissed off. If I could get them into trouble legally, damn straight I would.

Btw, if he wore pants made to show off 3/4 of his naked butt crack, nobody would say a blessed thing.

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Edited to correct a typo, to turn 3/5 into what I had originally intended...3/4.




" The group therapy (redneck) patients went to the doctor and said they don't want a "faggot" in their group."

What the FUCK??????

I'm hot ALL the time!

I just moved into one of my rental houses that's buried by concrete and dirt because it's cool....always.

I was hot all the time when I was 5/10 and 125 lbs at 23, and I'm hot all the time now at (slightly less than 5/10 :) ) 220 and 54. My ex used to put her (freezing fucking cold) feet on my back at night....both to warm her up and to suck the heat off of me so I could sleep.

Your slave has a unique condition so I can't comment on that but...mine can be solved just by a simple relocation....but fuck me upside down and 3 ways from last Tuesday...this is an issue that can be resolved, and having a medical practitioner make that kind of comment....someone should butt fuck that guy....hard!

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:08:34 PM   
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Around here, it's the style to wear board shorts
all the time... Even for old people.
Why don't you get him some Bordies and a
Hawaiian shirt?
Then he will be cool and look cool

-ARIES


I don't know what board shorts are. Can I Google and see examples, or should I type in "Bordies"?

Btw, in WV, Hawaiian shirts are gay. So is longer hair. So is NOT playing football, baseball, and basketball. All "real men" can hold their liquor (till they fall down on the floor, passed out in their own vomit and bowel movement or piss), will always cheat on their wife, oh, and use some kind of tobacco product.

You would be amazed over the times in grocery store parking lots, at night, when I thought I had stepped in dog poo and it ended up being someone's big glump of used chewing tobacco.

Anyone around here know if "board shorts" are redneck enough?


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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:12:08 PM   
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Oh hells no, Cynthia. Just NO. In civilisation, sure, but not where you are.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:12:56 PM   
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Possibly a miss-spelling of "broad shorts"?

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:13:45 PM   
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No, Rule. Board is short for 'surfboard'.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:15:58 PM   
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How about inviting someone like Bruce Willis (who may be gay for all I know), or Arnold Schwarzenegger to show up in such shorts at that session? Let them tell those actors to their face that they are gay.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:19:47 PM   
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Oh honey. You're confusing West Virginia with the civilised world. It's a easy mistake to make.



Yeah, in California and other states, I never had to worry about teeing off some asshat. Here in WV, their sister's father's girlfriend's cousin's wife will burn your food at a restaurant, and her brother will be your auto mechanic (lots of things will go wrong with your car when you bring it in to get those slashed tires fixed...). I won't even get into what her brother's neighbor's cousin's kids will do to your house, garden, pets, or or what their mother-in-law's other daughter will do to your hairdo at the beauty parlour.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:25:10 PM   
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I saw something that looked like these at the Dollar Tree about an hour ago, as well as something a lot larger and thicker that needed some capsule broken inside to activate the coldness. These might be okay in the way that wearing a wet shirt might help, but we would have to try it out to see if it helps him.


Farm country, right?

Ammonium nitrate cools when you put it into water.

The farmers usually have several 500kg bags of this on hand, as they use it to fertilize their fields. Ask if you can have a couple of pounds or so. Prolly won't even charge you for it. If you're getting more than maybe five pounds or so, you should let your local police know what it's for to avoid getting them worried. One or two cups is equivalent to one cold pack. Evaporation will permit recycling it. Try not to get too much on your skin, as it can give you a nitro headache. Pretty easy to work with.

If you need it even colder, add a little bit of alcohol to the water.

Be happy to answer questions if you have any.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:30:12 PM   
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Or, get a pair of those ultra-thin cotton trousers that they wear in various countries in the middle east and elsewhere.


I don't think that would go over in West Virginia.

Cynthia - what about military cammies, summer weight?


OoO!!! My boy looks good in cammo. I'm talking with him over the phone right now and he is also saying OoO. We will definitely look into this, though I don't know where to get them. In California we had military surplus stores everywhere but I haven't seen one in the past twentysomething years.

I will try not to think about the woman I saw wearing short shorts...in cammo, lol. It is the brevity of the shorts that are the problem. Real men wear shorts down to their knees, lol.

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To others...
I just looked up board shorts and they are the kind bo wore that made him very ill. I confirmed this with bo over the phone.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:35:12 PM   
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My plan for the group would be to present the therapist with the full explanation, in writing, of Bo's injury and subsequent accommodations that he makes to live with the injury safely and comfortably. Use medical terms and make it something that his primary care doctor could approve and maybe has his signature on it if you have time and/or the inclination to do that. Ask the therapist after reading if he understands everything or needs more explanation. Tell him to put that copy in Bo's chart, I'm a bitch, I'd tell him to sign it as well to the effect that he understood the material. I might even persist and let the guy know that if he insists on long pants, to put it in writing and make a show of putting it in my pocket. Obviously with the unspoken factor that then Bo would have prosecutable material.

Inform him that at that point Bo will never put himself at bodily risk again for the opinions of others in the group. Have him tell the therapist to schedule a 15 min section in the next session where Bo will inform the others of his condition. Have him go to that session with copies of the paper for all the patients, have him ask them if they have any questions about his attire and that they can ask now. Addressing things in a controlled manner of your choosing and meeting it head on tends to deflect the snickers while giving others a platform to get their questions answered. The mystery, which gives rise to the gossip, is gone. No one in their right mind would ask a person who needs a wheelchair, to leave it outside the meeting room so others would be happy. Bo is NOT asking for the world, just for what is his right.


I like this plan!

I have chemical sensitivities and my primary doctors have always been good about writing letters for me for employers and such.

I'm sorry the therapy doctor is being such an ass >_<

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:40:08 PM   
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Happy shopping!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=camouflage+pants&_sacat=57989&_odkw=camouflage+summer&_osacat=57989
http://www.armynavysales.com/military-clothing-pants.aspx

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 4:58:38 PM   
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I feel for you, as I have personal experience (35 years worth) of hyperthermia related to brain injury (brain stem & hypothalamus; both regulate body temp. I know how debilitating it can be. Good luck with it.

I poked around on the web and found these. One suggests having certain hormone levels checked, and getting HRT to balance out insufficient ones. One suggested a beta blocker. Two referred to clinical trials on mice with body temp regulation problems, that found serotonin & dopamine helpful. There are drugs and foods that increase these levels.

Use of a beta blocker: http://jeejeebhoy.ca/2010/10/04/the-hidden-secret-of-brain-injury-hypothalamus-dysfunction/

Having hormone levels checked and supplemented to help regulate the hypothalamus: http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/hypothalamic-dysfunction/overview.html

Serotonin & dopamine decreasing body temp in mice: http://ebm.rsmjournals.com/content/227/6/382.full

Serotinin in mice body temp: http://www.nih.gov/researchmatters/august2011/08082011serotonin.htm


And if I remember correctly, TBI treats people w/brain injuries who cannot afford to pay, tho' I understand there may be a long waiting list. Here's the link for WVA. http://tbi.cedwvu.org/news.php

Here's the url for their phone number in WVA: http://clinics.cedwvu.org/tbi/

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 5:00:36 PM   
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I've read all of these now that I'm back home, and I WANT to leave more comments but it will have to wait until later.

Past lymphoma removal surgeries left my right leg without any lymph nodes and it swells up like crazy if I don't spend most of my day with it raised. Sitting in chairs or walking around in stores...eep. Especially in summertime.

In the words of Arnold S., "I'll be back."

(Psst...if he showed up here in WV wearing that pink shirt he wore in one of his movies, yep, he would be called "faggot" and treated accordingly.)

When bo gets home he will be reading this thread. Thanks everyone. I will be back in a few hours when my foot isn't numb, lol.


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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 5:07:04 PM   
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Ammonium nitrate cools when you put it into water.




Doesn't ammonium nitrate smell strongly of old piss, Aswad? I wouldn't want Cynthia's lad to swap one social faux pas for another. On the other hand, since we're talking of WV, the men there may well use matured horsepiss as grade A aftershave, for all we know.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 5:20:41 PM   
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Education *might* work for the therapist, but I seriously doubt the majority of peeps in WV have a high school education. It's not the strong suit.

And yeah, I get what you are saying, try to match the ugly offense with a nice defense, easy to do when you are happy and healthy, hard to do when you have serious health issues and that is your main struggle.

It would be nice if Bo can get the therapist on his side, I'm not sure if that can happen at this point.

You make some good points. . . .but you know, when you are in the situation of having to continually educate people about your health, it gets old FAST. Sometimes, you just want to be like everyone else and just be.

If Cyn can't go with him, perhaps a friend can go? A big part of all this is carrying the whole weight of the illness on your back alone, and it gets to you. It's doesn't make for winning friends and influencing enemies in a backwoods places like WV.



You're right, it is a hard thing to have a continual upward battle with educating people. It certainly might not be something he feels he can do, and I can understand that. Cynthia mentions the brother's sister's niece's aunt syndrome- education is one thing that can have inroads for that and break the chain once in a while. Perhaps the man could find peace once in a while if the word is spread about him being disabled as opposed to gay.

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RE: I. Cannot. BELIEVE. This. (Aargh!) - 8/31/2012 5:53:43 PM   
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Perhaps carrying a foldable hand fan, and/or a small electric fan (stand-up or clip on), as both travel easily. I've used both of these for years and years. I've found that wetting my skin and then having the fan on me can be absolutely chilling, and works wonders for a while, even in 102 degree temps.

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