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RE: It's the victims fault? - 9/5/2012 6:18:43 AM

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True Butch, but large numbers of the rank and file either knew about it

I just don't believe this...but of course I have no more proof to dispel it then you do to claim it. I am just going by peoples thoughts in general on the subject and thinking that Catholics are no different then most other people.

I also think you are wrong in believing that many abused boys have told many others. From the news stories I have heard these children were ashamed of their involvement with pedophile priests and said nothing for years. And only recently when the Church has been in the news have they the courage to come forward. This is common for many sexually abused children outside the church as well.

Please believe me when I say I am not defending the church. I am only defending the so called rank and file. The priesthood is such a closed dictatorial society that they were and are able to hide their involvement from their flocks. God may have mercy on them but I won't.

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Herein lies the problem Butch. Church goers of all faiths always find it difficult to believe the kids. I can only tell you what happend in an area I lived in for 20 years. Catholics inside the church, clergy and otherwise, had suspicions or knew of what was happening but did nothing.

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“They found it difficult to believe he had committed this abuse.

“But clearly the evidence and the decision of the jury by accepting what the victims have said, demonstrates this abuse has taken place and Robinson did live this double life."

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3192776/Evil-paedo-priest-jailed-for-21-years.html#ixzz25bFtLPhW

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RE: It's the victims fault? - 9/5/2012 7:56:07 AM

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Some of the children complained. In this case in Newcastle Australia, the poor kids who worked up the courage to complain to the principal (who was another pedo priest) got punished for daring to make such allegations.

No one knows how many times reaction like this - designed to punish and silence the victims - occurred.

"In 2010, the District Court judge Helen Syme described the living hell of abuse and sadism faced by St Pius X students. On Thursday last week the former St Pius X principal, Father Tom Brennan, 74, became the first Australian Catholic priest to be charged with concealing the alleged sex crimes of another priest.

He has also been charged with assaulting two boys by caning them when they complained of being allegedly sexually assaulted by teacher John Sidney Denham.

Mr Denham, now 70, was a Catholic priest and teacher at the school from 1975. He currently faces charges over 10 counts of alleged sexual assault.
Father Brennan also faces eight counts of sexually assaulting an eight-year-old boy at Corpus Christi church in the Newcastle suburb of Waratah in 1984 and 1985.

There have been 11 deaths by suicide or drug overdose of men who had been students at St Pius X, the most recent being a 45-year-old father of two who took his own life on July 22. He left his family a note saying he was in ''too much pain'' after decades of torment."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hidden-horrors-in-halls-of-learning-20120901-25738.html#ixzz25fr5xZVB

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RE: It's the victims fault? - 9/5/2012 8:14:59 AM

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I do believe the clergy had suspicions and ignored or hid them and I believe that individual congregations find it hard to believe that their priest was involved in child abuse. I also think many believed these men, recounting history years ago, were only saying they were abused for the money.

This false trust is not limited to the Catholic Church…other organizations outside the church that have close associations with children have the same problem.

That said I don’t believe parents do not believe their children when it comes to sexual abuse…at least not today. There was a time before all the revelations when this may have been true but times have changed and parents are more aware.

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RE: It's the victims fault? - 9/5/2012 4:11:38 PM

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Maybe not today Butch, but back in the 70`s it was different. the word of a Priest, or Vicar would invariably be taken as Gospel (No pun intended) A child would be accussed of imagining things. How else do you explain all the abuse allegations breaking out from the 80s onwards.

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