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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 3:34:52 PM   
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fucking hell, my step 2 would have been a little different like have a party or find a job but I guess that's just me.
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I'm having a party too. Got a bottle of Dom Pérignon for that.
And I don't intend to get a job. Aside from the fact that my husband "kidnapped" me to live at a location where getting a job is just about impossible for me, I really don't feel like going to work basically to be able to afford the maid I'll need to get if I'm not home, and to have $5000 a year left over all the cost associated with me working have been paid, including the higher tax bracket we'd be in.

What I AM getting though is a freaking drivers license. It's goddamn time after 18 months of not being able to get one for no apparent reason.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 3:45:37 PM   
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So my green card showed up in the mail today. Yeah!

Logical next step: I'm going to get a handgun.

My local gun club has a course starting in a couple of weeks that will take beginners through all the basics, including getting the CCW permit. It's a 30 hour course, with several hours of range practice. Anybody interested in looking into the program further can find it here: http://www.bluemesashooting.com/Blue%20Mesa%20Shooting%20Academy%20Class%20Flyer.pdf

Now the problem is that the class requires me to supply my own firearm, holster, gun belt, additional magazines (or speed loaders), and ammunition and I don't have any idea what to get. I think (the way I read the instruction) they've got loaners available to try with before I'd have to decide to buy something, but I'm not a 100% sure on that, and have to call the class to confirm. If that isn't the case I'll also ask them what they recommend, but I would like to have a variety of advice on this to give me an idea of what my options are.

Any gun-nuts out there who have recommendation on what to get for a beginner?


Taurus, .357, snub nose (short barrel).

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 3:51:03 PM   
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There's a lot of work breaking down a semi-auto, cleaning it, then putting it back together. I'm too lazy for that, at least at this point in my life.


Mine is a piece of cake. Pull the tigger guard to the left, pull the slide back, up and off. Run the cleaner through the barrel and you're done.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 3:51:40 PM   
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Lol people on CM don't like guns huh?


Oh come on, Ishtarr. You must have known I was taking the piss. Check my profile: I'm not frigging American.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 4:21:22 PM   
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Lol people on CM don't like guns huh?

Michael is right that revolvers -right now- aren't my thing.

I mean -and this may totally sound retarded- I don't like the looks of them. They're just too "old Western movie" in my thought association and I'd feel sorta butch having one. I also don't think that I'd like the cylinder magazine. I see myself being more of a "magazine clip" kinda gall. I'll obviously try them, to see if I end up changing my mind, but on the visual alone they're pretty much a "no" in my book.

Is it silly that I think the esthetics of a gun are important? And is it something I'm going to get over once I start firing them?
I have certain guns I just love the looks off and others I really can't care less about. I just think a gun should really look like a gun... it's just that I have this "absolute form" in my head of what a gun is supposed to look like, and I've got no idea what that translates to in reality. I just know it when I see it.





Maybe esthetics is somewhat important but I'm not talking about cowboy revolvers. I'm talking about a modern double action revolver. Duskypearls made a good point, that is a semi auto can be ammunition sensitive as some types of ammo may not function well though not a major problem with most quality semi auto handguns. Just buy quality. I'm guessing dusky has a model 19. It's an excellent choice though for you I would recommend to get the 4 inch. One other consideration is simplicity. If you ever need your gun in an emergency it's easy to forget to turn off the safety on a semi auto. With the revolver it's not an issue. I can remember a few times when I was younger, in all the excitement forgetting the safety on my shotgun and missed getting a shot at a game bird.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 4:40:51 PM   
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If you want a full power 9mm, buy the best, a Browning P35.


Is this Anita Blake's new Browning? She swapped out her High Power for something.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 6:47:29 PM   
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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 6:54:32 PM   
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All that said not a us citezen? In many places you cannot leaglly buy a firearm. Your use of the term gun nuts makes me dubiuos of the sencerity of the thread.


I'm aware of that, but luckily it doesn't seem to be an issue in CO.

I do understand that there are a lot of options out there, and that unless I know what I want, it's hard to tell me what I should want.

However, this thread has so far given me exactly what I was looking for: a starting point to do a little research and reading online before class starts later this month, so that I've got at least some semblance of a feeling that I have some idea as to what is out there.
I come from a country with a very strict anti-gun culture (so badly that a lot of our cops, like traffic cops, don't even necessarily carry a gun) so this is about as foreign a subject to me as eating raw horse meat would be to most Americans.

And the thread is very much meant seriously... I didn't mean the term "gun nut" as being offensive. Mark it off as a bad attempt at a light tone.

And mark my reaction down to being half asleep as demonstrated by my typing earlier.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/5/2012 8:32:05 PM   
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Some shooting ranges rent guns...If I were you I'd go rent a few different handguns to see what feels and shoots the best for you...

EDIT; My favorite 9mm is the FNP-9...

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 12:04:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the above. You need to start off with something small and controllable, a .22 revolver or semi-auto. Then, when you have some experiance, work up to what ever hand cannon fits you best. And .22 ammo is cheap. I had to qualify for the job back in the '80's and was required to use a .38 or larger. I barely made a passing score with a .380 auto. I am lousy with a handgun. I live in wyoming, home of the .454 casull and it's big brother, the .50 handgun. huge hand cannons that will drop a kodiak bear or a charging rhino.Not my weapon of choice. If I have to pack, and the job does require it on occasion, I prefer the Mossberg 12 but I REALLY wish it had a larger magazine configuration. But, weapon of choice, cold steel. knives, swords, daggers. And long bow or cross bow for distance work. it's quiet, you don't have to feed it, it never clicks empty and the entire neighborhood doesn't know where you are when you use it. Drives the captain right up the WALL.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 12:20:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		The advice to rent and try out different handguns before getting out your checkbook is spot on. Both Silver Bullet and BluCore offer rentals, the latter has a great deal where for $20 (plus ammo) you can shoot every pistol they have available for rent.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 12:33:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good grief. You pass the hurdles and get your green card and the first thing you want to do is get a f**king gun?!?!? God, I am SO glad I am NOT American.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 1:35:02 AM   
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Good grief. You pass the hurdles and get your green card and the first thing you want to do is get a f**king gun?!?!? God, I am SO glad I am NOT American.


Not only that, but I consider it my duty to get a gun, and to learn how to properly handle it.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 1:39:06 AM   
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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 2:49:41 AM   
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Get one that fits you. Is easy to hold and points where you are looking.

Get (ask for) one that doesn't make you want to let go when you fire it. If it's a 9mm, good. If not , step back to the .380. You will want the weapon to be light. Light weapons kick harder. Balance it out. Look into special grips before stepping back to less power. Any weapon smaller than a .380 isn't really a weapon. It's just for practice.

Get good sights. This is often an extra. You can't shoot well if you can't easily tell where your gun is pointed. And how much it's shaking. A (SMALL) laser is not a bad idea. But it might fail, so sights on top anyway.

Choose a weapon that is easy to take a part, clean, and put back together. You would be surprised by how this cuts down the options. And at the difference it can make in a twentyfive year old weapon.

That's all I got.

Oh. And, try not to shoot anyone. It doesn't look good.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 7:53:05 AM   
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Besides, I definitely want to learn to go hunting as well, and I've got a feeling handguns may not be the first pick for that.


Two suggestions on hunting rifles:
- Tikka T3, 6.5x55mm version (medium game to 600m; defensive to 800m).
- Sako TRG42, .338 lapua-magnum (large game to 1.2km; defensive to 1.5km).

The latter is expensive as hell, requires handloading unless you're filthy rich, and you will either have to suppress it or use both ear plugs and muffs. The upshot is you will never become a better marksman than your tool accomodates, and you will have the best assurance that every shot has an outcome that entirely reflects your skill. It is a favored rifle with wildlife management up here, and also favored with the sniper teams in our ranger and special forces units. I've had a crush on it for a while, but legislation makes it an iffy proposition to buy one at the moment (if they decide on a ban, the investment will be lost for anyone already owning one).

The former is much less expensive, but still a great rifle, and the caliber (not the only one available, just what I'd suggest) happens to be low recoil, modest cost and high accuracy. It has a higher drop than many rounds do, but it also behaves deterministically if fired from a good rifle like the T3, so skill will allow you to compensate out to at least 800m, which is not the case for many that have less drop than it does. Which is why it was common in biathlon, and one of the main reasons it is the most popular caliber in Scandinavia (and readily available in the USA). With a good telescoping full length silencer, it may be possible to use it outdoors without ear plugs, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you've checked with an SPL meter.

Bringing your resting heart rate down will be something to start working on right away for target shooting with a rifle, of course. I used to be at 50 to 55 beats per minute back when I was a decent shot, which gives you a lot of time between the pulse travelling down your arm and the next beat in your chest, in which to make the final adjustment and finish squeezing the trigger. Memorizing tables for bullet drop vs distance vs inclination vs cartridge loading and tables for sidewinds vs projectile weight can also be done well ahead of starting to shoot. You can also practice estimating distance, inclination and wind speeds ahead of time if you're not going to measure those with tools. For target shooting, you have a stationary target (some ranges may have moving targets, but I haven't seen any where I live) and don't need to factor in bullet travel time, but it's something you need to think about if you will be hunting at long ranges.

Rifles might be less "action" than a handgun, but they offer ample challenges and can be quite rewarding.

Whatever you settle on, set aside between a third and half the cost of the rifle for optics.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 9:07:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Aswad, that's awesome info. My rest heart rate is already quite low. Around 60 last I checked. I used to be a competitive long distance swimmer, and I'm working out again, so I should easily be able to get it back under 50 like it used to be.

I've checked out some sites on the Sako and it's all pretty confusing right now. http://www.eurooptic.com/sako-trg-42-rifles.aspx
Where is the difference between the 2.8k and the 3.3k other than the finish? Am I missing something. I can tell why the 6k ones are more expensive, but on the "lower" end ones I can't seem to notice much difference. I'm actually in the luxury position right now that 3K on a riffle is in my "reasonable" price range. Hell, I've dropped about that on kink gear in a single month a couple times in the past year, and I consider guns to be more important that kink stuff. However, am I correctly understanding that the 3k would just be the base rate, and there'd be another 1.5-2k on top of that for scopes? Are the other things that also are a "must have" before you're done spending on using the riffle, or are the scope and the riffle pretty much it? I understand that there are probably other "goodies" to be had, but are those less essential than the scope? Or not? And what kind of goodies are they for a riffle like that? And how much would you end up spending if you completely deck that riffle out to be a wet dream? More than the 6.5K I'm assuming, considering that those don't seem to have scopes either.



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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 9:34:27 AM   
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Any gun-nuts out there who have recommendation on what to get for a beginner?

I am a scifi nut. I recommend that gun from the "Men in Black" movie: it is very smal, but it has a lot of oomph.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 10:08:12 AM   
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Your use of the term gun nuts makes me dubiuos of the sencerity of the thread.


What's wrong with gun nut? I'm a gun nut and proud of it. I like guns of all types. I've used lots, and own a few. I have my CCW. Just because it's used as a derogative term by some, I don't see it that way. Or perhaps more to the point, I prefer to own the term. I'm here, I'm a gun nut, get used to it. ;)

Personally I don't find anything dubious in the post, but that's just me.

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RE: What gun to get? -first firearm - 9/6/2012 11:15:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still love my Winchester Legacy im .357. No use over 100 yards but hey ho, she's a sweet little thang with no recoil for a lightweight rifle & makes lovely big holes in things.

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