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tazzygirl -> Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 5:00:47 PM)

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney said on Sunday that if he were elected president he would keep portions of President Barack Obama's signature health care law, a seemingly abrupt turn on an early campaign promise.

"Well, I'm not getting rid of all of health care reform," the former Massachusetts governor said in an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press." "Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I'm going to put in place. One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like. I also want individuals to be able to buy insurance, health insurance, on their own as opposed to only being able to get it on a tax advantage basis through their company."

The comments mark the latest chapter in Romney's tortured history with respect to federal health care reform. The Republican presidential nominee once envisioned the health care plan he passed in Massachusetts as a model for the nation. As a candidate for president in 2012, however, he has pledged to repeal the entirety of Obama's Affordable Care Act, a law very much based on Romney's Mass-Care model.

In his "Meet the Press" interview, Romney again pledged repeal of the law. But the suggestion that he would pass some of its individual provisions later in his term complicates that pledge.

"I say we're going to replace Obamacare," Romney said. "And I'm replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people."

While that may be true, the Romney campaign has said in the past his federal plan wouldn't include such a provision.

Earlier this election, his campaign laid out a policy that ensures that a person who is covered by an employer and switches jobs could not be discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition during that job switch. The Obama campaign argued that that's already law. But the bigger question left unanswered was: what happens to those people just entering the labor market with a pre-existing condition? Would Romney pass laws prohibiting discrimination by insurance companies against them?

In a statement to The Huffington Post in June, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul confirmed that -- contra what Romney said Sunday -- he would not pass such a law, but rather push reforms to help alleviate the problem at the state level:

Fixing our health care system means making sure that every American, regardless of their health care needs, can find quality, affordable coverage. That is why Governor Romney supports reforms to protect those with pre-existing conditions from being denied access to a health plan while they have continuous coverage. And for those purchasing insurance for the first time, he supports reforms that empower states to make high risk pools more accessible by using cost reducing methods like risk adjustment and reinsurance. Beginning on his first day in office, Governor Romney is committed to working with Congress to enact polices like these that protect Americans’ access to the care they need.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/09/mitt-romney-obamacare-_n_1868385.html

Guess Obama's bounce caught his eye.

But wont this upset his more conservative base?




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 5:22:04 PM)

Well, let's see - it's coming up - what? 5:30? Hang in there for a few more minutes, and his position will change again.
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subrob1967 -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 5:40:03 PM)

You know our side never had a problem with eliminating pre existing conditions, right? It's the mandate that's forcing everyone to buy insurance we want repealed.




TheHeretic -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 5:49:13 PM)

So what's the problem?




tazzygirl -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 6:13:26 PM)

You dont consider the fact that a candidate is so blatantly flip flopping a problem?




vincentML -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 6:24:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

You know our side never had a problem with eliminating pre existing conditions, right? It's the mandate that's forcing everyone to buy insurance we want repealed.


Your side was for it before you were against it.

“Most Republican leaders in that era supported a mandate, and the Romney plan came out of the Heritage plan,” Dave Keene, the president of the National Rifle Association and former chairman of the American Conservative Union, tells Newsmax.

http://www.newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/Healthcaremandate-HeritageFoundation-Gingrich-Nixon/2011/06/08/id/399250




erieangel -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 6:39:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

You know our side never had a problem with eliminating pre existing conditions, right? It's the mandate that's forcing everyone to buy insurance we want repealed.



The mandate came out of the republican leaning think tank Heritage Foundation as an alternative to the health care reform attempt of Clinton's administration. And the republicans loved the idea.

Romney liked the idea of a mandate so much that he made it a key part of his Mass-Care.

The republicans were for the mandate until Obama embraced it in order to get any sort of health care legislation passed.

Personally, I would have rather Obama had held out for single payer and lost the votes than have the mandate. With luck, we will see single payer in this country within a few years.




TheHeretic -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 6:47:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You dont consider the fact that a candidate is so blatantly flip flopping a problem?



Well, I'm not sure I see the blatant "flip-flop," you are referring to, but even if it's there, why should I care?

They all say one thing, and do another. Remember how candidate Obama was only going to take public funding in '08? Or how he was going to close Gitmo?





TheHeretic -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 6:50:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Your side was for it before you were against it.




And I think it's a shitty idea, no matter who is pushing it.




Owner59 -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 6:51:53 PM)

 
One of the clearest signs a republican has given up.......is when the pull the "they`re all F`d up" weasel words out......[:D]




tazzygirl -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 6:54:08 PM)

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They all say one thing, and do another. Remember how candidate Obama was only going to take public funding in '08? Or how he was going to close Gitmo?


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Media/obama-plan-close-guantanamo-stuck-political-legal-limbo/story?id=10752684#.UE1Hk7JlTvY

As far as the public funding.... thats a major platform for either party?




Owner59 -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 7:00:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

You know our side never had a problem with eliminating pre existing conditions, right? It's the mandate that's forcing everyone to buy insurance we want repealed.


No need to lie.......

ROMNEY AIDE: 'MARKETPLACE' WILL TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITION





TheHeretic -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 7:09:35 PM)

Tazzy, your link just points out how woefully ignorant of reality the President was, when he ran around campaigning on it.

Is your problem over this (or the problem you think conservatives should be having over this) that Mitt Romney isn't looking at the world through the Alinsky framework which requires all the ideas of the opposition to be automatically rejected?





tazzygirl -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 7:27:22 PM)

No, my issue is that we are not seeing the REAL Romney. He flip flops the way the polls blow.





TheHeretic -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 7:36:56 PM)

Ok. And if he's elected, I expect he'll govern in a manner consistent with the lifetime of success and achievement on his resume, rather than according to the message cards he was handed on a particular day, in a particular place, along the campaign trail.







tazzygirl -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 7:39:02 PM)

He needed a message card to remember the GOP's cries of overturning ACA?

He needed cards to remember saying he would overturn it on his FIRST day in office?

Come on, Rich. Stop making excuses.




Lucylastic -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 7:45:19 PM)

LOL Rich , thats a good one:) nice, really..on what did Obama flip flop before his election?
Lets be honest..
Ignorance of the realities of what a clusterfuck things were, is not even in the same ball park.
Yes he fucked up on promises, but NOT before he was even elected
How many times has romney & ryan for that matter done it since the beginning of the year?




SadistDave -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 7:51:12 PM)

Overturn and replace.

This is not a flip-flop. The Romney camp has been pretty clear about the fact that there aren't any ideas off the table except ideas that will make a replacement bill as massive and burdensome as the ACA. Romneycare has many of the same elements as ACA, and he has been clear about the fact that Romneycare would not work at the federal level "as is".

He's never had anything off the table for crafting a better alternative except the ballooning bureaucracies, hidden taxes, and mandates in the ACA "as is".

-SD-




SadistDave -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 7:55:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LOL Rich , thats a good one:) nice, really..on what did Obama flip flop before his election?
Lets be honest..
Ignorance of the realities of what a clusterfuck things were, is not even in the same ball park.
Yes he fucked up on promises, but NOT before he was even elected
How many times has romney & ryan for that matter done it since the beginning of the year?



If you want a big flip-flop, look at his "evolution" on gay marriage. He has changed his opinion of Guantanamo, the debt limit, the deficit, lobbyists in the white house, televised ACA negotiations... there's actually quite a list of Obama flip-flops.

-SD-




graceadieu -> RE: Romney changes position on ACA (9/9/2012 8:01:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

You know our side never had a problem with eliminating pre existing conditions, right? It's the mandate that's forcing everyone to buy insurance we want repealed.


You know, I really understand the feeling behind this, I do. I don't like having to pay for people's unpaid hospital bills, either. But because not everybody has coverage, lots of people go in and get care from the ER and don't pay, and then everybody else has to pay more to cover them. At least with required coverage, those people have to pay for their own damn self.

Anyway, as some others have said, the mandate was a Heritage Foundation idea in the first place, a conservative way to make universal health care about personal responsibility.




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