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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 1:28:49 PM

Dunamis2009

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Well, I like looking at my girl naked, regardless of whether or not it's sexytimes.

I can't really describe why, I just like seeing her naked. It makes me happy.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 4:11:53 PM

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My Sweetie tells me that all men are pigs - so when they see a naked woman, they are lusting, or thinking dirty thoughts.

Just as you suspected. lol

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 6:08:14 PM

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A naked sub/slave? I know there is nothing is being hidden from me. But then all slave/subs are to be naked at all times to please their master. It is their place to be.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 6:48:14 PM

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Oh you forgot - and when their holes are not in use, be caged at all times.

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A naked sub/slave? I know there is nothing is being hidden from me. But then all slave/subs are to be naked at all times to please their master. It is their place to be.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 7:07:22 PM

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A naked sub/slave? I know there is nothing is being hidden from me. But then all slave/subs are to be naked at all times to please their master. It is their place to be.

What is going to be hidden from you? A weapon? A package of oreos? Why in the world would you think your slave is hiding something from you?

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 7:35:59 PM

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A naked sub/slave? I know there is nothing is being hidden from me. But then all slave/subs are to be naked at all times to please their master. It is their place to be.

But what if he requires you to be clothed?? Then he's not a twue dom?

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 7:38:22 PM

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NO - IT MEANS YOUR NOT A WEEEL SWAVE.
- and youre not weel if you dont eat out of a dog dish on the fwoor.

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A naked sub/slave? I know there is nothing is being hidden from me. But then all slave/subs are to be naked at all times to please their master. It is their place to be.

But what if he requires you to be clothed?? Then he's not a twue dom?

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 7:56:47 PM

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I think Hibbie is right - about the seeing & touching of nekkid subs, but also I think at a guess there might be an appreciation of the vulnerability of a naked woman.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/10/2012 8:47:53 PM

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I think that probably is a part of the appeal
very often. But then again there are women
who don't feel vulnerable when they're naked.
Quite the opposite they feel empowered by
it. This can be true of a submissive woman
or nonsubmissive woman.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 1:17:57 AM

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 1:40:14 AM

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I am self conscious. I think most women are. We are all so critical of ourselves. I'm just curious about how D men see naked women? Does it differ from nonD men?

I want to respond to this. Here's the way it is in Sunshine World.

I pose for artists. I'm a nude model. I'm also a big woman (not as big as 6 months ago, but still big). Artists LOVE my body. They love the shadows and the curves. They realize how awesome my body is - even when I don't. I do a few poses for about 5 minutes each - I choose the poses based on how I'm feeling, my strength at the time, what feels right for me. I often choose yoga poses, by the way. Then they decide what they want to draw, and then I get into that pose for 20 or 30 minutes at a time.

I'll tell you it's a pretty humbling experience to be turned into just a... the... ummm... how to explain it? They'll say things like, "She has this really interesting shadow at the curve of her hip when she stands like that," or "her breasts kind of flatten out before the curve. That would be kind of a challenge to explore," or " I don't like when her hand is there - it covers the valley between her breasts. I want to draw that curve." It's like ME, SUNSHINE is not really there. My body becomes this landscape that has nothing to do with ME. I have become solely hills and valleys, curves and angles and lines, shadows of darkness and bright white light.

Sometimes I go around during the breaks (with my robe on) and look at what they've done. They ADORE my body. The other day they had a discussion about how it's been changing as I'm losing weight - they cautioned me not to lose TOO MUCH. (ok!) That would make me dull to draw.

One of the smartest things I ever did for my self-consciousness about my body was to pose for artists. When they get stupefied and in awe about how beautiful it is (their words, not mine), I become more confident. Now, I know that if anyone sees my body and doesn't realize how glorious it is, how filled with passion and sensuality it is, what a hot tamale full of potential it is, then that is a person I have no interest in.

My body is for all intents and purposes normal sized for a western woman at this point. After a lifetime of that not being true due to a medical condition, it is an amazing thing to be "normal"... I am hands down the sexiest, most desirable woman around. I don't always feel like that, but right now I'm totally in that zone.

When I am self-conscious now, it is because I want something from the other person - the one who is looking at me.

(I hope you don't mind.... but), when I met Crazy ML last month, I was horribly nervous and self-conscious. He is a man I've "admired" for years. LOVE his spicy brain and his way with words and his smoking hot sex appeal... I want a man like that to - if not be impressed, at least not be bored with me. I wondered, 'Could I measure up?' I was self-conscious because I wanted him to LIKE me... ME... THE PERSON - and the woman. I was self-conscious, not because of my body, but because of my emotions.

So, I recommend a stint as an artist model. It helped me tease out exactly what I'm self-conscious about. And it's not my body. It's my heart.

Go. Model. It does a body good. :)

Best wishes,
sunshine

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 2:43:18 AM

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I'm thinking the answer here is pretty simple for most men. I can't speak for all men but on this subject my Master has told me that he enjoys the vulnerability of me being naked and exposed. I too, enjoy the vulnerability aspect of it.

When he views me naked he's never looking for flaws or nitpicking for imperfections--parts of myself that I see as flaws he views as just intrinsic parts of me, and because he loves me, he loves those parts. When he looks at me naked, he sees me, in my entirety. Whatever his reasons, he finds that sight beautiful, and it pleases him to know it belongs to him. Even though sometimes I cannot appreciate my form, I take wonderful comfort and confidence in the fact that he is never looking at me with scrutiny--it is always appreciation.

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
So, I recommend a stint as an artist model. It helped me tease out exactly what I'm self-conscious about. And it's not my body. It's my heart.

Go. Model. It does a body good. :)

Interesting post, sunshine. Made me think. :)

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 6:13:37 AM

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This is a great question to post. As a woman, I tend to be self conscious sometimes. What I have discovered is that in order to play and truly have fun, I just have to let go of whatever it is that inhibits me or my partner from enjoying things. I've had guys tell me that it is more of a turn on for a woman to be confident in her own skin so to speak, than to lack confidence. This goes for women of ANY size, shape, color etc...

That being said, genuine and mutual appreciation of each other in whatever form that takes is important. Trust is a factor for me too.

As a sub, I see being naked (when directed to) as a simple act of obedience. It's really that simple. HTH...

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 6:54:02 AM

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 7:01:46 AM

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To me a naked woman is a work of art... and I just enjoy looking at them.

Yes, I like individual parts, particularly the tits and pussy but I like every part to one extent or another.

More importantly, I am aware and very appreciative of how the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

I like the sense of vulnerability it imparts on her and the sense of primal masculinity I feel in response.

One of my favorite things is to secure her in the classic "strung up" position of hands tied overhead to a tree branch (I've never cared much for complex bondage positions... I like to keep things simple and straight forward). Then (before the whipping begins) I like to spend several minutes just slowly walking around her, drinking her in with my eyes, reaching out to enjoy the feel of her. I might play with her tits (sometimes gently, sometimes not so gently), caress an arm, a leg, her belly, and eventually her pussy lips (but I deliberately avoid her clit... which drives her nuts), etc. Of course, there is also the classic grab her by the hair, pull her head back, lean in and tongue rape that beautiful mouth.

This never fails to get her gushing wet (poor thing will have to wait a while though... all moments must be savored) and gets me so hard I feel like my pecker is going to blow apart. In fact, I got half a stiffy right now just writing about it. So i'll think I'll conclude that women are awesome, naked women are even more awesome, naked women who are kneeling or tied up, and are at your command, are beyond awesome.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 7:46:28 AM

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Considering how hung up anyone can be on their looks, what I appreciate about a naked woman is her courage to be that way.

Everything else is based on the woman and how I relate to her, and thus is tangential.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 9:36:43 AM

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Considering how hung up anyone can be on their looks, what I appreciate about a naked woman is her courage to be that way.

Everything else is based on the woman and how I relate to her, and thus is tangential.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 1:36:33 PM

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Judging by what he first grabs, he's thinking "Boobies!".

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 1:54:55 PM

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Considering how hung up anyone can be on their looks, what I appreciate about a naked woman is her courage to be that way.

I agree. People like to mock the "submission is a gift" notion but I think any woman who is willing to kneel naked in front of you is definitely giving you something that she doesn't have to and takes some backbone to do. Some appreciation of that is in order. Of course, I demonstrate that appreciation by enjoying her body.

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Everything else is based on the woman and how I relate to her, and thus is tangential.

I don't like tanning my genitals... to risky.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/11/2012 2:35:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: ScarlettSummer

Thank you so much for your answer. It helps me face what I will likely be facing soon. I like the thought of being completely open and exposed, I just need to get over and the insecurity stuff. Thanks again!

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I can't speak for him but being this is something I was insecure with before my liposuction, I would try to wear at least a robe to hide myself because I hated my shape. But he does like me nude and when I start being insecure again, he says something along the lines that he likes my body and being his slave, I have no right to be insecure about his property. He feels I am abusing his property when I do that. I'm still struggling with that to a point but it's getting easier.

Since my surgery though I've become more secure with myself except on days when I feel swollen but he knows I have days of swelling and it's not a big deal. He likes my flaws, dimples, birth marks, because it's what makes me who I am.

Oh, and he likes the scars, marks and bruises on my body that are done by him. He's pretty proud of those marks, kinda like marking territory. He's not that thrilled with my bruises and cuts though when I'm being a klutz though lol. He will usually just snicker and tease about not destroying his property.

ETA: I was just thinking how I've become more secure with my body lately and it seems to rub off on him lately and he seems to notice my security now and this makes him happier with me. When I was insecure it was more of a problem for him to do things with me because I was not happy and those emotions tend to rub off on your partner I think.

Except for the rare hotties (like Janah - *wink*) most women do tend to be self conscious about some perceived body imperfection. And I emphasise "perceived" as I think it's because they're aware that the male species is a visual animal - that we like to look. Which only fuels a woman's self consciousness....

I admit there are certain female body shapes that I'm just not attracted to. But I don't need to see her naked to make such a judgement. So if I'm having my girl disrobe for the first time, I'm expecting to see the "official" full individual her rather than some last minute shock to my system. If she does have some issue like scars etc, we would've discussed that prior.

With me, the first time is a semi-formal scene. I don't just order her to strip and be done with it. The bigger issue is the building of trust. So I initially go at her pace as I want to savour her modesty or hesitance but not to a point where she's having an anxiety attack. I constantly "check in" with her as she removes each item of clothing. "Are you ok to continue?" or "What's your safe word?" etc.

Underwear is my favourite - I really drag it out.... lol I have her turn around (back to me) to remove her bra and then cover herself "like a lady" (right hand covering left breast and vice versa) and turn back round. I leave her like that as I'm talking to her all the time, checking in etc and generally gauging her anxiety (hoping for at least some). If she's fine to continue, I have her turn around again and remove her panties. Now she has to cover herself top and bottom with her hands (like a lady) and turn back round in all her awkward glory. Personally, I think this is real vulnerability (physical, mental and emotional) and I savour the moment.

If she's still ok then at some point I give her a smile and a hug then have her put her hands where they belong (behind her back) without my eyes leaving hers. Now I'm emphasising that it's more important for her to be my "good girl" than my private "peep show". Real or perceived, no matter what imperfection she has, I brush it off as irrelevant.

To echo what littlewonder said, my D/s relationships have a dynamic of ownership. She's my property and since that's what we've both agreed, she is not entitled to be self conscious of her body - I DO NOT PERMIT! To do so is to disapprove of my taste and choices and that will get her in BIG trouble. Of course I can't just order her to be confident while naked, so it's done with the 'tried n true' method of repetition and reinforcement. You build confidence by doing it over and over so yeah, those first few weeks and even months, my girl can expect to be naked almost every practical minute we're alone.

And after that first time or two being naked, I'm not so tolerant of any hesitance or reluctance on her part. That it'll sting if she's slow to respond....

And yeah, this is such an excellent topic - the "little things" usually are.... :)

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