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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/22/2012 2:51:07 PM   
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I mean, what if the zombie apocalypse happened? I'm not facing the bloody zombies without some fabric between me and the world. NU-UH.


Saw a couple of episodes of that "Walking Dead" - apparently it's a smash hit.... meh

With all those zombies wandering about wearing tattered rags, you'd think the odd one would be naked, altogether, right?

Seems even flesh-eating zombies have their modesty....

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/22/2012 3:01:14 PM   
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Well - I guess its because I have pretty good self-esteem. I eat healthy and work out and do what I need to do so Im happy with the visual.
When Im with someone new - my thought process is: lucky motherfucker, look what you get.

If someone is uncomfortable with whats going on with their bod - and its in their control to fix whatever is bugging them - then I dont have a lot of sympathy for the "I am embarrassed about my physical self".

If Im all worried about the way I would appear in front of someone else, then chances are - I wouldnt be there in the first place.



I am so jealous of you regarding this. I have always been shy about my body, whether my measurements are 38-28-40 or 58-48-58.

I do have to admit though, after the initial pain of being naked in front of the domly dude, I always felt desirable when nude with him.

I just took him at his word that, if it was not pleasing to him, he would have me wear a cover up.

For me, I think being a fair skinned redhead, who always had extra padding and never fit the "sexy" images I have seen all my life, is what made me that way.

Or, I am just nuckin futs.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/22/2012 4:54:23 PM   
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I love being naked. Im naked right now - and yes there is someone else in the room and he's half dressed. I could give a shit - vunerable is the LAST thing I feel. It weirds me out that someone would feel that way.

Anyone who is ashamed to be naked in front of someone willingly - should get their head examined.


Why? I know there are times when I'm ashamed to be nude in front of Master when I'm feeling bloated and feeling as if I've gained alot of weight after looking in a mirror and feeling really ugly and icky.

I think it's totally normal that women feel that way.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/22/2012 5:06:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there is a difference in "being naked" and "standing in front of someone and being inspected". Call me goofy, but those are two totally different things. Add in the stripping factor and then you've got an additional factor. Heckl, I stand in front of artists for hours and am "inspected" by them although this too is a completely different experience than being "inspected" in the way that is being conversed about here.

I'm surprised, Janah, that you didn't see that difference. It seems pretty obvious, but I suppose it's just another example of ways people experience the same thing.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/22/2012 5:14:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah...being naked alone, at my home....no problem. Being told to strip at a doctor's office, no problem. Get naked in front of Master? Most times, I hate it.


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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/22/2012 8:03:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Yeah...being naked alone, at my home....no problem. Being told to strip at a doctor's office, no problem. Get naked in front of Master? Most times, I hate it.


See, now this is exactly the kind of mindset I'm hoping for when I have my girl disrobe. The more she's self-conscious or even hates it, the more I'm loving it.

I really lurv the subtleties a naked sub might try to get away with; a slight turn of body or hands sneaking out from behind etc. Ya just know it's gonna cost her - usually even longer all bear, coy and "miserable" with it...!

And I don't even mind letting on all these Dom "trade secrets", cos you women just can't feign being comfortable naked if you're really not. Fake an orgasm - sure; too easy - but not this. God is good to us Doms like that.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/22/2012 8:14:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a feeling Master would rather me be more confident about it since he doesn't like it when I have self esteem problems. Being self conscious of myself means that I'm going to have a very difficult time paying attention to anything else other than my nakedness. I won't be able to concentrate on what he's doing to me.

I can understand your point though. I think if a girl is simply embarrassed by it, it wouldn't be that big a deal. But if they have a problem due to self esteem and shame, that's a whole other ballgame to me.


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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/22/2012 9:49:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I have a feeling Master would rather me be more confident about it since he doesn't like it when I have self esteem problems. Being self conscious of myself means that I'm going to have a very difficult time paying attention to anything else other than my nakedness. I won't be able to concentrate on what he's doing to me.

I can understand your point though. I think if a girl is simply embarrassed by it, it wouldn't be that big a deal. But if they have a problem due to self esteem and shame, that's a whole other ballgame to me.


This is a likely area where I create a very different dynamic to yours. My girl is my property and I simply won't permit/allow her to be embarrassed with her own body. Because it's actually *my* body, not hers, she is but the resident caretaker. For her to disapprove is to disapprove of my taste and my choices in what I choose to possess.

But ok, she's still human; she has feelings and flaws etc like all of us. So we work on it, together, starting with whatever it is fuelling any self-consciousness or self-esteem issues. Mostly, I've found it to be a lack of confidence and one way to fix that is combining more naked time with positive reinforcement. Not sure I'd ever want a girl of mine to get to a comfort zone where JanahX is but naked and confident is still a sexy thing, just in a different way to a newbie's reluctance and modesty....

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/23/2012 6:36:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember being on a nude beach in Jamaica and watching a couple who had to be at least 70 walking hand and hand down the beach naked. Was it visibly appealing? Yikes no it was not, but I remember being a bit envious of how free they were and their ability to do this comfortably. I, on the other hand, took my top off and felt extremely exposed and had to put on my sunglasses as if , if I did that I was less exposed. LOL. I was proud of myself though for doing it after I did it, havng the guts to do it. I noticed the people from Europe were alot more free about their body then most of the Americans.
I was and still am built very well, but still that exposure of being naked to the world has never came as a comfortable feeling. The posing for a group naked, I dont think I could do it, I would feel close to death with the humiliation of it!!!! Even after being told I am beautiful or SMOKING HOT in the past, it never released me from that vulnerable exposed stage fright.
I think alot of stems from the way we are brought up, and some of that stuff never goes away.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/23/2012 2:50:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Veild well put. I'm also looking at her reactions. Sensing who she is by her body language.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/29/2012 5:42:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nudity in a submissive means many things. In the ancient world, nudity was the expected state of slaves in the house. So nudity has connotations of enslavement.
It can signify--especially if the submissive makes a formal submission in the nude--that s/he is immediately ready for what torments or frivolities the dominant's whim settles upon.
I like to focus on the submissive's eyes. The window of soul is a good place to watch for the submissive's mental and emotional status. I'll want to walk her to, but not over, the edge.
And of course there are many processes that work best, or only, with a nude victim.

However, I bear in mind that in the Scene, we deal with nudity and with nakedness. What's the difference? Nude is artistic. Naked is defenseless. :-)

I like to have fully clothed nakedness in my dungeon. Like so: http://www.xvideos.com/video745777/bound_trinity_post_gets_flogged_and_stripped

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/29/2012 6:37:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I posted in a more generic sense here, earlier; I feel like being less generic now.

I've seen a lot of comments about the nude body. There's other ways to be naked, though. When my girl's eyes are wide; when her smile blossoms - she is naked then, too. Vulnerable, beautiful, and if she wears anything in that moment it is the warmth of peaceful pleasure, fragile and overwhelming.

Seeing this in her, I feel it as well.

There are not sufficient words to describe those moments, but if I choose one, it would be bliss.


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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/29/2012 6:48:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm looking at her beautiful sexy body and you should be

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/29/2012 8:19:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ya know, if I had a body of the cute 25 year old and I was tiny, I would probably not mind being nude. Actually I know I wouldn't because it's really not a big deal to me. Right now though, I'm 40 years old and I'm feeling like a 40 year old these days lol.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 9/29/2012 10:42:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Ya know, if I had a body of the cute 25 year old and I was tiny, I would probably not mind being nude. Actually I know I wouldn't because it's really not a big deal to me. Right now though, I'm 40 years old and I'm feeling like a 40 year old these days lol.


Yeah, but I'm betting when you look up at Kana just the right way, he thinks it's a thing of beauty. Naked lust, naked vulnerability...

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 10/22/2012 7:01:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		As has been implied elsewhere, the setting when she or they are seen makes a big deal of difference. If she is alone with me, I think of one thing while if it is just seeing others nude, it is sorta like OK, so what. They are the same person with or without clothes.

When she is alone with me and she is nude because that is what I want then she is doing what I want but when it is a group then I am not looking at her as mine but rather as part of a group. Sort of like the nude model is to an artist.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 10/23/2012 1:06:33 AM   
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Ya know, if I had a body of the cute 25 year old and I was tiny, I would probably not mind being nude. Actually I know I wouldn't because it's really not a big deal to me. Right now though, I'm 40 years old and I'm feeling like a 40 year old these days lol.


Yeah, but I'm betting when you look up at Kana just the right way, he thinks it's a thing of beauty. Naked lust, naked vulnerability...


Yeah, sure he does, but he knows I don't. He used to get upset by that but he also knows my past and why I'm extremely vain. I have sworn to myself to never go where I did as a kid. So if I want to change something then I will ask him. If he says no then I don't. Most times he'll be perfectly fine allowing it but only because he knows that allowing me to do whatever it is, will help with my self-esteem and he likes to see me happy


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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 10/23/2012 1:53:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


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ORIGINAL: RemoteUser


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Ya know, if I had a body of the cute 25 year old and I was tiny, I would probably not mind being nude. Actually I know I wouldn't because it's really not a big deal to me. Right now though, I'm 40 years old and I'm feeling like a 40 year old these days lol.


Yeah, but I'm betting when you look up at Kana just the right way, he thinks it's a thing of beauty. Naked lust, naked vulnerability...


Yeah, sure he does, but he knows I don't. He used to get upset by that but he also knows my past and why I'm extremely vain. I have sworn to myself to never go where I did as a kid. So if I want to change something then I will ask him. If he says no then I don't. Most times he'll be perfectly fine allowing it but only because he knows that allowing me to do whatever it is, will help with my self-esteem and he likes to see me happy


Good, for both of you.


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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 10/23/2012 9:59:55 AM   
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I just want to know, when your sub is standing fully nude in front of you, what are you looking at?

My property. More than anything I'm looking at a woman that I own. For me, the big difference there is that there is no implied possibility and no unfulfilled longing. I can look at her and know that whatever it is that I want to do or say I can. I can have her emotionally or sexually any way I want. I can form a relationship with her and virtually guarantee that it's going to be healthy and happy for all involved. Maybe that's what I see... happiness.

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Do scars and imperfections bother you or are you beyond that?

I suppose if I was looking at a woman who was horribly disfigured in a house fire or something then scars and imperfections would bother me. If you're talking about the normal set of badges we all accrue for going through life then no, I don't see them. Carol is 56. She has wrinkles, baggy skin, creaky knees, droopy jowel lines, etc. That is NOT what I see when she is standing in front me.

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RE: Can a Master please explain how you feel about seei... - 10/24/2012 12:41:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50

See, now this is exactly the kind of mindset I'm hoping for when I have my girl disrobe. The more she's self-conscious or even hates it, the more I'm loving it.

I really lurv the subtleties a naked sub might try to get away with; a slight turn of body or hands sneaking out from behind etc. Ya just know it's gonna cost her - usually even longer all bear, coy and "miserable" with it...!

And I don't even mind letting on all these Dom "trade secrets", cos you women just can't feign being comfortable naked if you're really not. Fake an orgasm - sure; too easy - but not this. God is good to us Doms like that.

Focus.


Oh Focus you would love me in this aspect! I am fit, eat well and get exercise as well but I am not comfortable naked at all. Sometimes confidence does go pulsing through me I can enjoy being naked, enjoy expressing and experiencing my body but usually no not me.


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