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thompsonx -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 9:01:50 AM)
quote: So, by your method, teachers work two months out of the year. That keeps things more accurate. What difference does it make how many hours they work. They get paid according to a contract that was arrived at through collective bargaining. Why do you have a problem with living up to a contract? Why do you have the mindset that you have the right to tell someone else how much money they can make?

Hillwilliam -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 9:24:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse 182 actual school days in Wisconsin. That's 6 months.. And the average person works 2000 hours a year. That's 83 days. I like the math on this one. Teachers show up 182 times per year. You take the total of all the eight hour shifts and divide them by 24 and that's how you want to do the math? Alright. We'll use your numbers and your figgerin'. 182 days per year x 8 hours per day = 1456 hrs worked in a year. Now, we'll use your math process: the average person works 2000 hours per year you divided that by 24 and got 83.33333333 Teachers work 1456 hours / 24 = 60.6666666 So, by your method, teachers work two months out of the year. That keeps things more accurate. Peace and comfort, Michael Only one problem with that theory. Ive never met a teacher who only worked 8 hours/day. My typical workdays were 12-16 and I usually worked at least a half day on Saturday. Sunday evenings were a couple of hours of prep work for the week. During football and wrestling seasons, it wasn't uncommon for me to leave the house before 7 and get home about midnight. 182 days x 12 hours/day for a teacher = 2184 hours without saturday or required continuing ed courses. 250 days x 8 hours/day for most everyone else = 2000 hours

hlen5 -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 11:08:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy I guess an average salary of $76,000.00 (before benefits!!!) and a 16% raise on top of that is not enough for them! . 76K is about $38 per hour. Why do you find that excessive? Do you feel that there should be a limit on how much money someone in the u.s. is allowed to b paid for their labor? It's not really when you consider the after school/before school prep, the continuing education, advising extra cirricular activities, parent/teacher conferences.........

searching4mysir -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 11:10:03 AM)
quote: During football and wrestling seasons, it wasn't uncommon for me to leave the house before 7 and get home about midnight. Didn't you get additional funds for being a coach/advisor to the sports teams? The teachers around here do for advising/coaching any of the sports/clubs.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 11:17:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir quote: During football and wrestling seasons, it wasn't uncommon for me to leave the house before 7 and get home about midnight. Didn't you get additional funds for being a coach/advisor to the sports teams? The teachers around here do for advising/coaching any of the sports/clubs. Coaching went for an extra 2500/year. That's about $5-6/hour. My 12 hour days were in the offseason.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 12:21:01 PM)
FR... Am I really reading that that teachers should be paid more BECAUSE they have eight weeks off in the Summer? (BTW... Teacher ARE paid for School Year vacation closings)

PeonForHer -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 12:28:34 PM)
No, everyone's agreeing here that they should be paid more just because it will annoy you, FDD.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 12:43:53 PM)
I think that teaching should be one of the highest paid professions in the country. Certainly the people to whom we entrust our children should be the best professionals, meeting the highest standards. They SHOULD be paid more than professional atheletes but I think that's a-whole-nother discussion. No, to me, the issue here is the highest paid teachers that don't necessarily perform to the highest standard. Here's where the union is a demon. One of the most powerful and corrupt unions in this country is the NEA. And while there's an argument to be made that those that do perform should be paid more, they've thrown in their lot with those that don't perform to the same standards. With apologies to William; no one is *forced* to be a coach or the choir leader or the student council advisor or any of those things. They do it either out of a sense of duty/obligation/altruism or they do it to add to their own personal coffers. Teachers, teaching might put in more than a six hour day with grading papers and such but there are plenty of jobs that require extra work to be done to do the job correctly and efficiently. I know I put in more than 8 hours a day on a regular basis and I work on a commission. The brass tacks of it is: teachers who "just teach" work about 8 hours a day for 182 days. Ya know what? I'll give you 200 days for pre-September prep. They get two full solid months off every year! They make very little initially but a tenured teacher in this district (I checked) makes $32k That's not "well paid" in this area but it isn't peanuts, either. What killed public schools in the big cities was a combination of unions and racism/bussing. When bussing became the law, people who lived in better neighborhoods with better schools and paying higher school taxes said "Fuck this. I'm not paying the taxes for a good school so my kid can go to some crap school where there's guns, gangs, and violence. I'm outta here!" and they left the cities. Since they left the cities, it was difficult for the cities to keep raising taxes on people that just couldn't pay the price so, they had to slow the growth of teachers' salaries. Then the unions went bat-shit crazy and said there was no way they were going to take a pay cut but they still hadn't brought all of the teachers up to standard. I doubt there is any union in this country that isn't carrying some "dead weight" around so when you say "these teachers are the best ...(Whatever) that we have to offer" please believe that some of them aren't and that goes back to the pay. It's a vicious cycle and that's why we have to stop just dumping money into public education and actually do something about fixing it. Peace and comfort, Michael

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 2:08:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy FR... Am I really reading that that teachers should be paid more BECAUSE they have eight weeks off in the Summer? (BTW... Teacher ARE paid for School Year vacation closings) No they are not.

Politesub53 -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 5:12:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie Really? [8\|] Unions engage in some free collective bargaining with that political body which it lobbys and supports when its demands are met. The free market is hardly the trough bargaining with that special interest group (government) whom keeps the trough full. Yes really..... Why dont you piss and moan about how the US banks manipulated a bill on banking regulations, using tax payers money to fund lobbyists. I am guessing that is somehow "different"

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 5:42:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse If the state/city has the money to pay them there is no problem. Illinois is going broke. If I own a grocery store and you are broke am I suppose to lower the price of food for you because you cannot manage your finances? Things cost what they cost and because some people spend their money on drugs and trashy women does not mean that the grocery store owners are responsible for taking up the slack. HEY!!!! I don't appreciate you talking about my ex wife like that!

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 6:02:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Bill Gates has the money to do whatever he wants to. The state of Illinois does not. Instead of going on strike, this union should be working out a solution. Boeing went on strike literally weeks after it was clear (in 2007) that the economic world had ended. They demanded something like an 11% increase over 3 years. (If you're a Boeing worker, you can correct my math...this is from memory...5 years ago). They stayed on strike for an ungodly amount of time, even as every newspaper was declaring that the world had changed forever. I remember thinking (I live in Boeing country) as I drove past all these folks..."do you have any fucking clue?" They got some incredibly paltry "union strike pay" out of their fund of something like 50 bucks a week or so.... Boeing came in and offered something less (because they now competed with France/Germany/Brazil and soon....China)....the union mightily and robustly held their ground, and when it was over...the union got what they asked for....the amount of increase they "demanded", but over 4 years instead of 3. By the way...for the math impaired....11% over 3 years = 3.67% increase annually. (That would be 11.42% compounded, over 3 years). 11% over 4 years = 2.75% increase annually. (That would be 8.5% compounded, over 3 years, 11.46% over 4). A local paper (The Seattle Times) did a study and found that, including the measly 50 bucks a week they got paid to strike, and the amount they demanded over now 4 instead of 3 years, it would take 9 years for the union members to get back what they lost (in wages spending their days tending 50 gallon drums of burning newspapers and found wood), assuming that Boeing even gave them a similar bump at the end of their 4 year contract, which with ever increasing competition worldwide...is by no means assured. With the new plant in NC....it's almost guaranteed not to occur. The Davis Bacon Act (1930's) which requires all federal projects (of any kind) to pay essentially "union scale" (which is a complete farce, because anyone that pays Davis Bacon wages pays a 28% premium to union wages, which simply proves the Act is a precursor to protecting union jobs) means that, if there is a firm who wants to do that job and pay their production crews a reasonable wage (a reasonable wage can easily be determined by....those that are willing to sign up for same)....can't either bid on it or, can't compete because their labor costs are 28% higher. Ergo....union gets the job. (Imagine that). So...when you wonder why a road costs a million bucks a mile....ask yourself why you're (you are the govt.) willing to pay someone 50 bucks an hour (plus benefits), when most would be thrilled to do it for 23 bucks (including benefits)....which ain't a bad wage in any estimation. Unions are a wonderful thing...but they taint so many things we all take for granted. You have an option. It arrives on November 6th.

Kaliko -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 6:27:31 PM)
FR A few random things: 1. If someone serves as a coach, advisor, etc...that is something they are choosing to do, not being forced to. It can also open to community to fill many of those positions - they don't have to be school staff all the time. So to complain about the amount of a stipend that one doesn't have to take seems strange. 2. Yes, kudos to teachers for working long past the scheduled school day. Now somebody please show me a dedicated professional in any line that stops working when the office door closes. Isn't that kind of part of the whole concept of being a professional - putting the value of the well-trained-for necessary work at hand higher than one's own self interest? Why must that be part of the battle cry? It should be a given. 3. Many, many, many people - who are not teachers - serve and volunteer in their community for countless hours. Again...glad that teachers are doing it, but they're not doing anything that the rest of us aren't doing as well. 4. Teachers are not underpaid. Paraprofessionals are underpaid. (No, I'm not a paraprofessional.)

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/11/2012 6:46:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy I guess an average salary of $76,000.00 (before benefits!!!) and a 16% raise on top of that is not enough for them! Not to mention, eight weeks vacation in the summer, a week at Christmas, a week in the spring, and several 4 day weekends throughout the year, plus personal and sick days! http://www.suntimes.com/15054902-761/chicago-teachers-strike-for-first-time-in-25-years-contingency-sites-ready-charters-remain-open.html 76K is about $38 per hour. Why do you find that excessive? Do you feel that there should be a limit on how much money someone in the u.s. is allowed to b paid for their labor? Neo-conservatives celebrate wealth with round after round till the check arrives at the table.

thompsonx -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/12/2012 9:28:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko FR A few random things: 1. If someone serves as a coach, advisor, etc...that is something they are choosing to do, not being forced to. The same could be said about their teaching job quote: It can also open to community to fill many of those positions - they don't have to be school staff all the time. So to complain about the amount of a stipend that one doesn't have to take seems strange. To complain about the low pay that some take because that is all they can get seem strange to you also? quote: 2. Yes, kudos to teachers for working long past the scheduled school day. Now somebody please show me a dedicated professional in any line that stops working when the office door closes. Perhaps you might show us who does and what percentage of the work force they make up and how much unpaid overtime they work and compare that to what can be documented on teachers. quote: Isn't that kind of part of the whole concept of being a professional - putting the value of the well-trained-for necessary work at hand higher than one's own self interest? Why must that be part of the battle cry? It should be a given. Perhaps you should recheck your definition of the word "professiona" as it is used in this discussion. quote: 3. Many, many, many people - who are not teachers - serve and volunteer in their community for countless hours. Again...glad that teachers are doing it, but they're not doing anything that the rest of us aren't doing as well. quote: Actually if the "rest of us were really ding as you opine there would be no need for teachers to do so. quote: 4. Teachers are not underpaid. Paraprofessionals are underpaid. (No, I'm not a paraprofessional.) How much do you think a teacher should be paid?

Owner59 -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/12/2012 9:31:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy FR... Am I really reading that that teachers should be paid more BECAUSE they have eight weeks off in the Summer? (BTW... Teacher ARE paid for School Year vacation closings) Who would have ever guessed that the entire GOP would one day be backing Rahm Emanual? Strange times.......[:D]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/12/2012 1:29:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Who would have ever guessed that the entire GOP would one day be backing Rahm Emanual? Strange times.......[:D] [sarcasm font on] The friend of my friend is my friend The friend of my enemy is my enemy The enemy of my friend is my enemy The enemy of my enemy is my friend That's IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The GOP is a bunch of Muslims [Sarcasm font off]

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/12/2012 1:30:26 PM)
quote: 182 actual school days in Wisconsin. That's 6 months quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse 182 actual school days in Wisconsin. That's 6 months.. My former roommate is a teacher in a public school and I am VERY familiar with her workload. That 182 days is spread out over Close to 10 months. What's your confusion about? Never heard of a thing called the work week? Maybe weekends, holidays, ring a bell. Also, a teacher doesn't get a check during the summer, unless they spread out their check. Which many do. And the numbers being discussed here are not example representative of the experience of the teachers I have known here in New England. My former roommate has taught 3 years now and she is up to an annual salary of $41k per/year. Given she went to a college that cost her $60k per/year, people should be kissing her ass for opting to work with the public's kids at their pittance wages. She had an offer from a corporation as an in-house educator. Oh, I guess she's some kind of idiot for giving back to society. Sorry, forgot.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/12/2012 5:40:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL quote: 182 actual school days in Wisconsin. That's 6 months quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse 182 actual school days in Wisconsin. That's 6 months.. My former roommate is a teacher in a public school and I am VERY familiar with her workload. That 182 days is spread out over Close to 10 months. What's your confusion about? Never heard of a thing called the work week? Maybe weekends, holidays, ring a bell. Also, a teacher doesn't get a check during the summer, unless they spread out their check. Which many do. And the numbers being discussed here are not example representative of the experience of the teachers I have known here in New England. My former roommate has taught 3 years now and she is up to an annual salary of $41k per/year. Given she went to a college that cost her $60k per/year, people should be kissing her ass for opting to work with the public's kids at their pittance wages. She had an offer from a corporation as an in-house educator. Oh, I guess she's some kind of idiot for giving back to society. Sorry, forgot. She's not an idiot. She's a person who went to school, searching for a degree....got one and landed in her chosen field. And?

Kaliko -> RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike (9/12/2012 6:34:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel They are called upon to be there for those "open house" events, to volunteer to coach sports teams and drama clubs, to advise debate teams and the year book staff and all manner of extra curricular activities. In my city, teachers get paid for participating in the extra curriculars, which is how they reach the $50,000-$75,000 annual salaries. However, the starting salary for a teacher in my district is only $17,000. I have to admit, $17,000 does sound very low. So I've been researching it, and I can't seem to find that low a salary anywhere in PA for any full time teacher. A teacher's aide, yes. But not a teacher. Do you mind sharing your source? (Feel free to C-mail me if it would be too identifiable. Or tell me where to look if you don't have a direct link.)

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