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tazzygirl -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 7:03:28 PM)

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Why, yes, I do believe, honestly, that there isn't an attack on women coming from the right.

So, you're saying that because one of Romney's goals is to overturn Roe, that if he gets elected, it's going to be overturned?!? Have you not been paying attention to government the last half decade? Just because a President wants something doesn't mean he'll get it done. Look at Obama. He wanted Cap and Trade. He wanted to close Guantanamo. He wanted to get rid of Bush's double secret spy programs. He wanted Single payer.. no he didn't... yes he did. And, while the bill is passed, it doesn't take effect until 2014, so he may not even have gotten that done. Remember the "get lobbyists out of Washington" bullshit?

Not at all, though. You're all worked up because Romney and the Party of R wants to overturn Roe in defense of the unborn. Those Bastards (think South Park)!!


Yes those bastards have no right to decide for me what their religion dictates is best for them.

The oldest Judge on the court right now is 79.

Justice Ginsburg is the eldest member of a court that includes four justices in their 70s, making it among the oldest courts since the New Deal era. Its decisions during this historic “flood season,” as Justice Ginsburg described the end-of-term rush, are likely to make the panel — and the tenure of some of the justices — a significant issue in the presidential campaign.

Stack the deck enough and anything is possible.

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Samuel Alito

Aggressive line of attack against Roe. (Sep 2008)
Stare decisis is first step; then an open mind on abortion. (Jan 2006)
Was against Roe in 1985, but a lot has happened since then. (Jan 2006)
Roe v Wade is important precedent but not settled law. (Jan 2006)
Respect for precedent implies not overturning Roe v Wade. (Nov 2005)
Defines ‘undue burden’ restrictively for abortion. (Nov 2005)
States can require women seeking abortions to notify spouses. (Oct 2005)
Oppose publicly funded abortions for rape and incest victims. (Oct 2005)
Unconstitutional to ban partial-birth abortions. (Jul 2000)
States can require notifying father before abortions. (Jun 1992)

John Roberts (57)

Constitutional privacy protection is only a so-called right. (Oct 2010)
Roe v. Wade is more than settled as precedent. (Jan 2006)
Wife is strongly pro-life. (Jul 2005)
Finds no support for abortion rights in Constitution. (Jul 2005)
Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided. (Jul 2005)
Prohibit family-planning programs from giving abortion info. (Jul 2005)
Ok for Operation Rescue to target abortion clinics. (Jul 2005)
Roe v. Wade is settled law. (Jul 2005)
Doctors who get federal fund may not mention abortion. (Jul 2005)
Limit funding for abortion clinics. (Feb 2003)

Antonin Scalia (76)


Since Framers didn't allow abortion, the issue is settled. (Sep 2008)
Leave abortion to states; Court should get out of this area. (Jun 1992)
Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided & should be overturned. (Jun 1992)

Clarence Thomas (64)

1991: Never thought about Roe v. Wade while in law school. (Oct 2010)
1991: There us a right to privacy in the 14th Amendment. (Oct 2010)
Defining abortion position would prejudge abortion cases. (Sep 1991)
Personally views back-alley illegal abortions as torture. (Sep 1991)
Never discussed Roe v. Wade in law school nor since. (Sep 1991)
Privacy is protected; no comment on application to abortion. (Sep 1991)
Overruling previous cases is a very serious matter. (Sep 1991)
Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided & should be overturned. (Jun 1992)

http://court.ontheissues.org/Court/Court.htm




TheHeretic -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 7:22:41 PM)

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So I go off to work (somebody has to pay taxes), and give ya'll all damn day to come up with something, anything, that might offer a positive reason for those who joyfully joined the bandwagon in '08 to do it again, and the offerings from the left don't amount to jack shit. Old, tired, stale, fundraiser talking points. Roe isn't going anywhere.*

They have fear of exactly the same Republican bogeyman they have been putting the flashlight under their chins to talk about since Carter tried to save his job in '80. Bad news. By Nightmare on Elm Street 5, Freddy just wasn't that scary anymore.


*There is the potential, "awkward," if the left constantly claims this election is about the "war on women" theme, only to have the voters give Romney an economy based landslide, but letting the fundies claim a mandate for their agenda. The courts and ensuing elections would square it back up soon enough, but oh, the irony.



Lucylastic -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 7:28:11 PM)

Much vbetter response than my question about where is the passion and love for your parties candidate Rich, remember what you said?
Nobody seemed to wish to give any answer beyond your "chair comment"
I didnt get pissy tho because no one could come up with anything beyond, he isnt obama.
Shame that huh
Oh well!



FirmhandKY -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 7:33:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

... no one could come up with anything beyond, he isnt obama.


That's about all that is really necessary, Lucy.

Firm



TheHeretic -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 7:39:37 PM)

Sorry you didn't catch the answer to your question in the joke, Lucy. It was supposed to be President Obama in the chair, remember?

Romney doesn't need to motivate the base. My President does it for him.



hlen5 -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 8:44:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Obama is gaining republicans, he's gaining the senior vote, and he's gaining women.



Sure he is... Ok I'll give you the women vote, but are the sluts who vote going to close their legs long enough to actually go vote?



Bless your heart, you charmer you. I believe I will close the "y" long enough to go vote, at least.



hlen5 -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 8:45:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Something is fishy if he can't snag the mullet vote.

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hlen5 -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 8:57:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Should a woman keep an asprin between her legs or buy her own condoms? Yes.


Damn, I can fuck with an aspirin between my knees (which is the appropriate saying).



yeah its actually kinda hot:)


Women would be best served using the aspirin to cure that "not tonight I have a headache" line......[8D]


Women would be best served by following Antigone's (I think I have the name right) example!!



hlen5 -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 9:03:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

So, you're saying that because one of Romney's goals is to overturn Roe, that if he gets elected, it's going to be overturned?!? Have you not been paying attention to government the last half decade? Just because a President wants something doesn't mean he'll get it done.......



Have YOU been paying attention?? Ryan SUBMITTED an actual bill for a FEDERAL personhood amendment.

1100 bills for restrictions on abortions throughout the States? Who hasn't been paying attention?

I do agree just because Romney/Ryan want it, doesn't mean it will come to pass.



tazzygirl -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 9:11:47 PM)

~FR

Am I the only one concerned that we have the potential to have a President and Vice President who puts their religion above the country?



DomKen -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 9:22:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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The right to control your body and fertility, eh? How is that being stripped away from you? I can see your opposition to Pro-Life stemming from your "let me control my body" right. But, do you honestly think Roe v. Wade is going to be overturned? That Republicans are going to be capable of eradicating abortion from the menu of medical procedures?

Mississippi may be the fattest state in the country. And it may be among the least educated and have provided the backdrop to some of the country's most heinous displays of racism.
And you can dismiss its lawmakers as just a bunch of dumb, backwoods hicks if you think that makes for good humor in other parts of the country. But then consider this: It's possible its legislature has cannily unlocked a way to make abortion illegal without having to overturn Roe v. Wade.
The state has instituted a series of unreasonable regulations for doctors who perform abortions. Using a practice very similar to the kind of bottlenecking that was done to suppress black votes during the Jim Crow era, Mississippi has systematically squeezed the number of abortion clinics in the state down to just one.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-11/opinion/opinion_granderson-mississippi-abortion_1_number-of-abortion-clinics-fattest-state-planned-parenthood
I think its IS possible without having to touch Roe.


That is a State complaint, not a Federal one. Can you honestly see that happening on a Federal level? Honestly?

Yes, in exactly that way. The feds already regulate hospitals and medical clinics so it would be easy, with a gop dominated Congress, President and SCOTUS.



TheHeretic -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 9:26:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Am I the only one concerned that we have the potential to have a President and Vice President who puts their religion above the country?



How does that work, exactly, Tazzy? Romney is a Mormon, Ryan a Catholic. Is there some secret Salt Lake/Vatican connection I've missed by not getting near the kook threads?

And, if you really want to go there, given the doctrines of the church where President Obama spent 20 years, couldn't we say that he has placed his religion above the country?



subrob1967 -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 11:13:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hlen5


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Obama is gaining republicans, he's gaining the senior vote, and he's gaining women.



Sure he is... Ok I'll give you the women vote, but are the sluts who vote going to close their legs long enough to actually go vote?



Bless your heart, you charmer you. I believe I will close the "y" long enough to go vote, at least.


Bless your heart for trying to insult me, but don't worry, your vagina is safe, even when Romney wins. But please do go and vote, it's you and your vagina's civic duty.



TheHeretic -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/11/2012 11:25:54 PM)

I'm not sure where this idea that conservatives don't like sluts comes from. I think sluts are great. If one wants to stay in the guest room, or be locked up in the cupboard under the stairs, I might even be willing to personally subsidize the behavior.

Why is that many liberals seem to think conservatives hate anything we don't believe needs a federal subsidy?



tazzygirl -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/12/2012 1:03:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Am I the only one concerned that we have the potential to have a President and Vice President who puts their religion above the country?



How does that work, exactly, Tazzy? Romney is a Mormon, Ryan a Catholic. Is there some secret Salt Lake/Vatican connection I've missed by not getting near the kook threads?

And, if you really want to go there, given the doctrines of the church where President Obama spent 20 years, couldn't we say that he has placed his religion above the country?


Can you show me where Obama put his religion, publicly, before the country?



DesideriScuri -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/12/2012 2:32:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Yes, in exactly that way. The feds already regulate hospitals and medical clinics so it would be easy, with a gop dominated Congress, President and SCOTUS.


Which is yet another example of why there needs to be limits on Federal authority.

Personally, I think abortion is wrong. Personally, I don't believe I have the authority to make up your mind. Personally, I don't believe the Federal Government has the authority to make up your mind on this, either. I do believe it's an individual decision and does show a bit of one's principle by the decision. Until there is such a time as to when a fetus gains human rights (or, should I say, at what point in gestation those rights are gained), it should not be limited. After human rights are assumed by the developing fetus, it becomes murder (outside of "special cases"), and government should do something about that, based on the protection of rights of the fetus.



DesideriScuri -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/12/2012 2:45:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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Why, yes, I do believe, honestly, that there isn't an attack on women coming from the right.
So, you're saying that because one of Romney's goals is to overturn Roe, that if he gets elected, it's going to be overturned?!? Have you not been paying attention to government the last half decade? Just because a President wants something doesn't mean he'll get it done. Look at Obama. He wanted Cap and Trade. He wanted to close Guantanamo. He wanted to get rid of Bush's double secret spy programs. He wanted Single payer.. no he didn't... yes he did. And, while the bill is passed, it doesn't take effect until 2014, so he may not even have gotten that done. Remember the "get lobbyists out of Washington" bullshit?
Not at all, though. You're all worked up because Romney and the Party of R wants to overturn Roe in defense of the unborn. Those Bastards (think South Park)!!

Yes those bastards have no right to decide for me what their religion dictates is best for them.
The oldest Judge on the court right now is 79.
Justice Ginsburg is the eldest member of a court that includes four justices in their 70s, making it among the oldest courts since the New Deal era. Its decisions during this historic “flood season,” as Justice Ginsburg described the end-of-term rush, are likely to make the panel — and the tenure of some of the justices — a significant issue in the presidential campaign.
Stack the deck enough and anything is possible.


Yes, stacking the deck can make things possible, unless you're actually talking about things that aren't authorities of the Federal Government (which I do believe abortion falls under, until that time when human rights are assumed by a developing fetus [which is not at fertilization or conception, IMO]). Protecting the rights of the fetus is a government thing, and should be a parental thing, too. Again, fetal rights are not conferred at fertilization or conception, IMO. Every single abortion measure could be repealed and replaced with one law defining when personhood is assumed to be. There will be cases where those rights could be over-ruled (ie. health of the mother) by supporting of other rights, but, by and large, there would be no need for any other laws, as abortion after personhood would be murder.

I didn't fret Ryan's "personhood" amendment/bill/whatever because there was no way it would have passed, nor would it have passed constitutional muster.



Lucylastic -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/12/2012 3:37:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

... no one could come up with anything beyond, he isnt obama.


That's about all that is really necessary, Lucy.

Firm


Of course it is.
YAY [;)]



Lucylastic -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/12/2012 3:48:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Sorry you didn't catch the answer to your question in the joke, Lucy. It was supposed to be President Obama in the chair, remember?

Romney doesn't need to motivate the base. My President does it for him.

I did, that was the point, LOL
Sorry you didnt catch MY point.
I dont see much base motivation, except for the haters....birthers, racists and bigots
People like yourself are just taking little potshots(not a dig or an attack) doesnt rate a blip on the scale of four years ago.
I think its a shame that its been reduced to this.



slvemike4u -> RE: The thrill is gone (9/12/2012 4:18:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

... no one could come up with anything beyond, he isnt obama.


That's about all that is really necessary, Lucy.

Firm


Really?
I would have thought better of you Firm,guess I would have been wrong,eh?
All that is necessary to secure your vote for President of this great nation is that someone not be Obama [8|].
You should be,and anyone else who thinks like this,ashamed of yourself [&o]



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