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ExistentialSteel -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/12/2006 9:29:41 PM)

I’ve had lots of good friends who were into various pay for sex or companionship type deals. One was with girls who worked in a club on the waterfront near the Navy Base in Charleston that preyed on sailors and had them buy watered drinks all night...B drinkers they are called. After work, the girls would party with my friend, Carl, and me. We all lived in the same apartment complex and often swam nude together at night in the pool. I dated one of the girls who worked in the club.

They all told me if I wanted to stay friends with them to never go in the club and buy them drinks. The girls viewed Carl and myself as dominant figures is what was happening….imagine that. We met the dynamics of Dom men they desired as opposed to the subs they played with in the club. Just as I was friends with those women, I don’t knock anyone who is into pay things, but I will pass a gentle warning to the guys who use such services.




bandit25 -> RE: Questions (6/13/2006 3:36:11 AM)

Pay for online Domination?  Nope, don't think so.  Like feastie said, I don't need to be dominated by a stranger.  I can't be "dommed" by just anyone.  What I mean is, unless I have some sort of emotional involvement, there isn't any domination going on. 




cuddleheart50 -> RE: Questions (6/13/2006 3:40:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

Pay for online Domination?  Nope, don't think so.  Like feastie said, I don't need to be dominated by a stranger.  I can't be "dommed" by just anyone.  What I mean is, unless I have some sort of emotional involvement, there isn't any domination going on. 


Ditto!




marieToo -> RE: Questions (6/13/2006 4:01:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

Pay for online Domination?  Nope, don't think so.  Like feastie said, I don't need to be dominated by a stranger.  I can't be "dommed" by just anyone.  What I mean is, unless I have some sort of emotional involvement, there isn't any domination going on. 


Ditto!


Yup. Me too.  And like....why pay for something when you can get it for free anyway?   Its not for me.  But then neither is phone sex.  But I can see how others might enjoy it.  The whole pro-dom/domme thing feels exploitive to me.  But hey...If someone is offering a service and another wants to pay for it, live and let live, as long as no one is getting hurt.  I think the "pros" should capitalize on it if they want to, but then I think prostitution should be legal too. 




NINASHARP -> RE: Questions (6/13/2006 6:55:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Aside from the legal aspects...

Would you girls pay for online Domination? Why or why not?

And do commercial come-ons belong on an amateur site?

Tim


Commercial come ons?  This is a site for those advertising finding others, whether it be friendships, or play partners or “the one”.  So imo, this is a personal advertising site, and I don't feel its for amateurs, maybe I'm wrong?

If I wanted to learn how to do something towards online doming, it might benefit me to utilize AAkisha’s guidance or someone with a similar reputation and no, I would not at all mind paying her a fee for taking the time to teach me how to deal with certain scenarios in online domination.

Nina




Proprietrix -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/13/2006 10:05:37 AM)


I’m not really concerned with how people spend their money, for what services, or on whom. But I do take issue with some things you’ve said, and I’ve highlighted those things in your post.

Whether we’re talking about phone sex, online Dominantion, or Pro-Domming, I constantly see these women who think they are "better" at it degrading the women who they view as "sleazy misers".

ANYONE can do it if they choose to. EVERYONE has the right to try if they want.

Whether it’s little Sleazy Sallie the gold-digger who lives in a one room apartment in the ghetto, asking for cash only to send a guy a hot fodder email every morning, or it’s Madam Know-It-All with her glorious 4 floor dungeon catering to Doctors, Lawyers, and Judges.

Yours is no better then hers. Hers is no better than yours.

If you want to defend phone sex, online pay-sites, Pro-Domination, and the like, then you need to defend it for everyone who is doing it, not just the "real" and "true" Ladies.

Quit putting up this measuring stick of when it’s "legitimate" "in good spirit", or "true services", or "for real". That’s no different than the folks who come on here and say they are "real and true Masters" and all the others are fakes and scammers.

I really can’t wrap my head around this supposed "grading system" that I see a lot of women on here use when it comes to which pay services are acceptable (to them) and which are not.

There simply are no universal qualifications or credentials for this kind of thing. The only way we could really determine what’s legitimate and what isn’t, is to take it down to the letter of the law and say "What she is doing is legal, and what she is doing is illegal." And even that isn’t going to filter the "good" from the "bad". It’s all subjective.

Either you’re willing to defend people engaging in pay for play, or you’re not willing to defend them.
(Or, like the rest of us, you just don’t care.)
But you can’t say "I defend the real true Ladies and refuse to defend the gold-diggers." when they’re both engaging in the same thing: pay for service.


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
There have been some recent posts that either slam  "online training" as not real or not legitimate, as well as some posts lumping 'pay for play' domination (online) with scammers, tribute demanders, or fly by night money seekers. 
This post is not to defend those people online (who are not always even female) who seek a quick buck from unsuspecting or desperate submissives.  This is to defend those women who offer legitimate online domination (or phone domination) for a fee.  This is a legitimate exchange of services and when consensual between both parties can be fulfilling for both people.
I feel sorry for women that are sincerely interested in exploring online domination (for a fee) but are immediately lumped into a category of scam artists or women simply seeking money. While I believe a LOT of people  (not just women, but men pretending to be women) flock to the concept of "online domination" as a quick way to make a buck, those that are for real and prove themselves EARN every dollar they make.
A discerning submissive has the opportunity to make educated decisions about where he spends his money. If he wants to find legitimate online domination (or phone domination) he is in a position to shop around and find a woman who knows what she is doing.  There are a lot of extremely creative, passionate women who are very capable.
Once again, this is a market being driven by DEMAND -- not femdoms out there preying on guys and ferociously manipulating them into entering an agreement for money exchange.  The sub has the power to delete the email if he is being approached this way.


Akkasha,
I see this argument often between you and Ms. McComb. Slamming one another's pay sites on the basis of intention. She's out to save the subs. You're out to educate. She charges money because of XYZ. You charge money because of ABC.

There really is no difference.  You, her, Madame Been-Doing-It-For-40-Years, Sleazy Sally the Scam Artist. You are all charging money for services you provide in the lifestyle. Either charging money for lifestyle services is ok, or it's not. It's either ethical to ask for compensation, or it's not.
Trying to out-do each other with this "It's OK for me because I care, but it's not OK for you because you're a gold-digger." is unbecomming to *any* professional woman.

If you want to defend pay-for-play, then by all means defend it, but not at the expense of those who are doing the very thing you are defending.




zero69u2 -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/13/2006 2:12:43 PM)

my only objection is pay for play services.. is that's not what this site is for.
the site was designed for submissives and dominants and switchs to make collar me connections with each other.. like that eharmony site love happens..
well here bdsm happens and love happens..

The goddess that demands gratituty or envelopes of ben franklin worship or the guy with a poly-slave group with 4 gals working supporting his household.. is there a difference between the two..  one's a prostitute and the other is a pimp..

online training - this equates to webcam phone sex..prostitution in the safe sex era..

I really would'nt defend this point. i don't even see the sense in this post.. there are lots of escort sites on the web if one seeks professional services.




















ModeratorEleven -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/13/2006 2:34:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zero69u2

my only objection is pay for play services.. is that's not what this site is for.
the site was designed for submissives and dominants and switchs to make collar me connections with each other.. like that eharmony site love happens..
well here bdsm happens and love happens..

This site is for all members of the wide, wacky, wonderful BDSM community.  Old-timers, newbies, masters, slaves, tops, bottoms, switches, mistresses, submissives and every other possible category of person who has an interest in BDSMNOP is welcome here as long as they can follow the rules of the site.  And yes, that includes pros too.

XI




BitaTruble -> RE: Questions (6/13/2006 2:45:45 PM)

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Would you girls pay for online Domination? Why or why not?



No, and for the same reason I don't eat wax fruit. It doesn't feed me. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and try as I might, I just can't seem to get paypal to take monopoly $. [;)]

Celeste




MichMasochist -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/13/2006 3:56:46 PM)

It reads to me that she is feeling guilty, perhaps, or she is trying to get some one to give her a rational to justify her actions.

Why rehash the same old topic again and again?




gooddogbenji -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/13/2006 4:16:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

every other possible category of person who has an interest in BDSMNOP is welcome here as long as they can follow the rules of the site. 

XI


BDSMNOP?  Never heard that one.  Any help?

Yours,


benji




Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/13/2006 5:45:48 PM)

Peeing on the Moderator's leg, puppy? You're even more of a masochist than I thought!

::wondering where Loki is with that electric dog collar::




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/13/2006 7:10:26 PM)

Online isnt real . how do you know the sub/slave is really doing what you asked? its a good communication too but thats it.




AAkasha -> RE: Defending "pay for play" online training (6/13/2006 7:14:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Proprietrix


Akkasha,
I see this argument often between you and Ms. McComb. Slamming one another's pay sites on the basis of intention. She's out to save the subs. You're out to educate. She charges money because of XYZ. You charge money because of ABC.

There really is no difference.  You, her, Madame Been-Doing-It-For-40-Years, Sleazy Sally the Scam Artist. You are all charging money for services you provide in the lifestyle. Either charging money for lifestyle services is ok, or it's not. It's either ethical to ask for compensation, or it's not.
Trying to out-do each other with this "It's OK for me because I care, but it's not OK for you because you're a gold-digger." is unbecomming to *any* professional woman.

If you want to defend pay-for-play, then by all means defend it, but not at the expense of those who are doing the very thing you are defending.


People may choose to lump it all together, and ultimately customers will choose what they want to buy.  My motivation for having a pay site (more out of necessity  --it was free 10 years, after all. I was just sick of my content being stolen) and hers are different.  Also, I've been working toward having women on my site for free for some time (slowly but surely) and if anything want to give ladies the opportunity to earn money domming online if that's what they want. I don't have time to do it and don't care to do it on a one-on-one basis.  But for those that do, I want them to know that yes, it is legitimate, and YES, men are looking for you, and just because people lump them together with scam artists does not mean they are one.

Akasha




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