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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 3:32:39 PM   
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I agree with Colonel Kratman when he said, "Let's see...they killed four of our diplomatic personnel. A thousand to one payback would be 4k, but I don't think that's enough to really catch their attention. I'd suggest forty thousand dead in Benghazi would be fair and effective, but I wouldn't object to 400,000, either."

Using Kratman's and your example, after those two white guys dragged a black man to his death behind their pick-up truck in Jasper, Texas, the U. S. government should have collected up 100,000 random white men, women and children and mass executed them. A thousand to one payback for killing an American citizen would be a reasonable ratio. That would have been "fair and effective" and would have "really caught people's attention".

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 3:35:25 PM   
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The content of the film is irrelevant. The issue here is freedom of speech. It does not matter if you or I or anyone else finds the content of the speech abhorrent. Civilized people do not kill people because somebody somewhere said something they didn't like. Fred Phelps pisses the fuck out of me but I don't try to burn down his house. Hell, people here on CM have said things that piss me off but you don't see me calling for their deaths. Trying to place the blame for these murders on anyone but the intolerant fanatics who committed them is just wrong.


Absurd tosh.

The content of the film isnt irrelevant, it was the trigger for the events. Your patronising remarks about others "preconceived notions" apply to you just as easily. Recent history shows how Muslims react to certain events. Jones knew this but still felt it was okay to release a film inciting Muslims, he was clearly looking for, and got, a reaction.

No amount of bullshit about free speech absolves him from that. Just as his film doesnt absolve those that attacked your embassies.


Ya know, there is a reason that I can NOT stand tranzis.

We do NOT live under sharia law. It is NOT blasphemy to burn Korans or insult a camel-humping kiddie diddler.

This idea that we need to refrain from hurting the poor 'ittle Muslims feelings regarding their religion is the first step to dhimmitude.

Well fuck that shit and your cowardly, craven, appeasement attitude.

We have a large capacity to build thermobaric bombs and fuel air explosives, so we would not even have to worry about violating any nuclear conventions. We also need not worry about it being a "just war" attack since killing an Ambassador IS an act of war. Reprisals are a bitch.

Many people forget that there are more verses to our National Anthem than the silly first one that we sing at sporting events. Personally, though, it is The March of Cambreadth, that keeps playing in my head.

These barbarians need to realize that it is no longer the 7th century. If they do not want to join civilized society, then they need to die.



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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 3:39:51 PM   
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What is the difference between a fanatic killing someone half a world away for a perceived insult and you killing a city of innocents for something They didn't do?


They tolerated the barbarity.

Have you seen their heads lopped off and on pikes? Do you think that you will?


Under the Geneva Conventions and traditional laws of warfare, it is completely legal to shoot through civilians being used as shields.

It sucks to be a civilian sometimes. Perhaps they should have taken care of these bastards themselves.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 3:43:31 PM   
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I agree with Colonel Kratman when he said, "Let's see...they killed four of our diplomatic personnel. A thousand to one payback would be 4k, but I don't think that's enough to really catch their attention. I'd suggest forty thousand dead in Benghazi would be fair and effective, but I wouldn't object to 400,000, either."

Using Kratman's and your example, after those two white guys dragged a black man to his death behind their pick-up truck in Jasper, Texas, the U. S. government should have collected up 100,000 random white men, women and children and mass executed them. A thousand to one payback for killing an American citizen would be a reasonable ratio. That would have been "fair and effective" and would have "really caught people's attention".


Specious argument. The men who did the dragging were arrested, tried, and I think, put to death already, BY THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.

Where are the Libyans responsible? What about the Libyan security that TOLD the fucking murderous bastards where the embassy personal had went?

You can compare apples to oranges all day long, but you still will not end up with cherries.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 3:53:09 PM   
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I agree with Colonel Kratman when he said, "Let's see...they killed four of our diplomatic personnel. A thousand to one payback would be 4k, but I don't think that's enough to really catch their attention. I'd suggest forty thousand dead in Benghazi would be fair and effective, but I wouldn't object to 400,000, either."


Afghanistan has been a hell for 3000 years living this sort of 'reasoning' and the Balkans as long. What is the difference between a fanatic killing someone half a world away for a perceived insult and you killing a city of innocents for something They didn't do?

Lack of sufficient ruthlessness is what have kept Afghanistan and the Balkans a "a living hell for 3000 years". Or, other powers using them as chess pieces in the Great Game.

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If there is ANY lesson from this century it's that killing Muslims to teach them to behave how we want doesn't work, and gets more people who weren't in the fight killed. Didn't work for the Russians, Israelis or us so far. Nor the Islamic factions that have been killing each other since the Prophet's Grandson became a casualty to the first wars. Mankind has baggage! Deal with it, don' t be it.

The "Roman Solution" always works. Seen any Carthaginians lately?

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:07:35 PM   
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Ya know, there is a reason that I can NOT stand tranzis.




What are tranzis ?

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:10:06 PM   
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I made no remarks about "preconcieved notions," patronising or otherwise.




You surely did, on the thread floating about earlier on the same topic.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:22:07 PM   
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The "Roman Solution" always works. Seen any Carthaginians lately?

Firm



Nope.

And I have no problem with the Roman solution that involves crucifixions, either. After all, that is the penalty under Islamic law, for their actions. (Surrah 5:33)




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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:23:59 PM   
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Ya know, there is a reason that I can NOT stand tranzis.




What are tranzis ?


Transnational progressivism/ists.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:33:02 PM   
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Ya know, there is a reason that I can NOT stand tranzis.

We do NOT live under sharia law. It is NOT blasphemy to burn Korans or insult a camel-humping kiddie diddler.

This idea that we need to refrain from hurting the poor 'ittle Muslims feelings regarding their religion is the first step to dhimmitude.

Well fuck that shit and your cowardly, craven, appeasement attitude.

We have a large capacity to build thermobaric bombs and fuel air explosives, so we would not even have to worry about violating any nuclear conventions. We also need not worry about it being a "just war" attack since killing an Ambassador IS an act of war. Reprisals are a bitch.

Many people forget that there are more verses to our National Anthem than the silly first one that we sing at sporting events. Personally, though, it is The March of Cambreadth, that keeps playing in my head.

These barbarians need to realize that it is no longer the 7th century. If they do not want to join civilized society, then they need to die.





Okay, I get the "tranzis" reference now....... See Aylee, here is your problem, I am neither left wing or wish for anything multinational. Any Brit on the board can tell you that. Rich could probably tell you I have often stated I am okay with drone attacks, provided they are properly targetted.

As for your post..... call me cowardly craven or anyother bullshit name you like, but it wont alter the facts. Your post is infact the more cowardly bomb em shoot em knee jerk many of you republicans come up with, rather than do the hard bit and search for a better solution.

It may have escaped your attention but libyans were also injured defending US Embassy staff and getting some of them to safety. You knew that though since you no doubt used your normal measured response of checking a few simple facts.

No doubt you and your ilk would rather nuke the whole fucking world though to prove just how brave you are. Do you need reminding how many allied soldiers and innocent civillians died in Iraq due to the warmongers in office at the time........ yeah I blame that shit also Blair and he is more "Tranzi" than I will ever be. Dont let that stop you posting more ignorance though.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:34:03 PM   
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Transnational progressivism/ists.



Thanks.. I got it via google.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:40:09 PM   
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I think the only censorship that was called for today was self-censorship. For the common good. Mitt Romney should have passed on that political "opportunity".
That isn't a freedom of speech issue as much as it is one of citizenship and self-governance.


I think people are mixing up their threads. Mitt Romney's/the GOP quick draw reaction is being debated on another thread... where I agree that they opened their mouths before engaging their brains.

It is one thing to think things through before you react to them but the idea of self censorship, especially to avoid upsetting the violent fanatics among us is dangerous. So, a person shouldn't have to think things through if it means self censorship? That's kind of like knowing it is legal to chum for sharks, so you do it while you are swimming in the ocean just because you know it is legal and you shouldn't have to give up that right. Damned sharks should KNOW it is legal and not attack! It is an open invitation to chuck freedom and democracy aside and live under totalitarianism.


Wow. That is quite the double standard there. You say Romney and the GOP should have thought things through before they reacted, yet it was OK that the consequences of this film were not thought through before it was made and released.

Just because something (in this case the making of this film) is legal in this country does not necessarily make it OK morally. We know that other countries do not have the same laws and social issues that Western society has. But you seem to think it is OK morally to figuratively kick dirt in their faces since their values are not the same as ours, and they should only react to things in ways and according to the values that we set for them. What the film makers did was legal, but it was morally wrong. What happened in Libya is also wrong, but not really unexpected...if only things had been thought through.



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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:43:47 PM   
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19575753

Providing the statement by Libya`s deputy ambassador to London is true, then by all means hunt down the perpertrators, but FFS dont just lump all Libyans, or indeed Muslims under one banner. Mrs Clinton stated earlier that it was Libyans who carried your ambassador to the hospital, so not all of them are the same.

As for my remarks about Jones and his film, I stand by every word. Anyone who read my OP would see my post was about him and the film rather than the attack itself.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:45:04 PM   
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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:52:22 PM   
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As for my remarks about Jones and his film, I stand by every word. Anyone who read my OP would see my post was about him and the film rather than the attack itself.


Have you seen the film?




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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:52:50 PM   
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Ah... So the world stops for 2-4 dozen jihadists who have hit and run and are now nowhere to be found. Yeah Rob, we're supposed to look like a paralyzed nation of 300 MILLION PEOPLE.
   The Marines and (probably a nice Drone Unit) are now on the ground. It will get cleaned up thanks to a President who knows how to utilize the assets at his disposal.
  I know that's not what you want to hear. But it is what it is.



Um he is the President, isn't he? If this were Bush flying off to Crawford, the left would be screaming bloody murder.

If he takes the job of President, most people would expect him to actually stick around and LEAD when four of his employees get murdered...

But I think like a rational conservative.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:54:35 PM   
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As for your post..... call me cowardly craven or anyother bullshit name you like, but it wont alter the facts. Your post is infact the more cowardly bomb em shoot em knee jerk many of you republicans come up with, rather than do the hard bit and search for a better solution.


You think that these murderous fucking bat-shit crazy bastards HAVE a better nature to appeal to? That if you just nag them long enough they will join you in a round of "Kumbaya"?

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It may have escaped your attention but libyans were also injured defending US Embassy staff and getting some of them to safety. You knew that though since you no doubt used your normal measured response of checking a few simple facts.


Sucks to be a civilian sometimes. Especially when the insane savages that you FAILED to exterminate go on a killing spree. You are aware that members of the Libyan security detail assigned to protect the embassy directed the killing savages to where they had escaped to?

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No doubt you and your ilk would rather nuke the whole fucking world though to prove just how brave you are.


Why would we need to nuke it? Thermobaric bombs and fuel air explosives will do just fine.

Or we could just surround the cities and let them starve.

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Do you need reminding how many allied soldiers and innocent civillians died in Iraq due to the warmongers in office at the time........ yeah I blame that shit also Blair and he is more "Tranzi" than I will ever be. Dont let that stop you posting more ignorance though.


Really? Because I blame the fucked up "Rules of Engagement" that were put in place. Because of all the damned tranzis.


While you may feel that dhimmitude would not be so bad, I disagree. The 2/3's of the Muslim population in the ME that are RIFs, have completely succeeded in convincing me that they have NO desire to share this planet in peace.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 4:56:51 PM   
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As for my remarks about Jones and his film, I stand by every word. Anyone who read my OP would see my post was about him and the film rather than the attack itself.


Have you seen the film?



Yes I watched a clip in English on you tube...... Not that I think thats relevant. There are enough reviews of it online to form an opinion.

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 5:16:55 PM   
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As for my remarks about Jones and his film, I stand by every word. Anyone who read my OP would see my post was about him and the film rather than the attack itself.


Have you seen the film?



Yes I watched a clip ...

If this is true, then the correct answer is "No", not "Yes".

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RE: Well done Pastor Jones. - 9/12/2012 5:18:54 PM   
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You think that these murderous fucking bat-shit crazy bastards HAVE a better nature to appeal to? That if you just nag them long enough they will join you in a round of "Kumbaya"?

Yes I do, having lived alonside many of them in London for most of my life

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Sucks to be a civilian sometimes. Especially when the insane savages that you FAILED to exterminate go on a killing spree. You are aware that members of the Libyan security detail assigned to protect the embassy directed the killing savages to where they had escaped to?

I read something about that, it doesnt alter the fact many Libyans did help embassy staff.

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Why would we need to nuke it? Thermobaric bombs and fuel air explosives will do just fine.

Or we could just surround the cities and let them starve.

A bomb is a bomb.....people still end up dead.

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Really? Because I blame the fucked up "Rules of Engagement" that were put in place. Because of all the damned tranzis.

Blame bush and co, they were in office. I did not you missed the Blair remark..... You know, Brit PM, left wing, went to war for George.

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While you may feel that dhimmitude would not be so bad, I disagree. The 2/3's of the Muslim population in the ME that are RIFs, have completely succeeded in convincing me that they have NO desire to share this planet in peace.

Care to show me where I said any of that crap.

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